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Post by Dave on Aug 14, 2008 20:19:06 GMT
So some seem unhappy and question If Paul Buckle is good enough or not.
I have made my views very clear that we should support Paul, I have also posted what in my views are some mistakes he has made. Some seem to think any post where a question is asked about a decision made by Paul is made, it is somehow an anti-Buckle post,this is not true, so now is your chance to not only vote in the pole, but give your views only on the manager.
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Post by Dave on Aug 14, 2008 20:21:55 GMT
My answer is yes, while I'm not sure of all the decisions he has made, IE Rice on loan, new players etc, I feel that his first season was a good one, sadly got it wrong in the end, but will have learned so much, that he will apply to this season.
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Post by tufc01 on Aug 14, 2008 21:05:35 GMT
My answer is YES.
I also think he will turn into a very good manager in time. I agree he has made some mistakes, and is still making some (maybe if he explained his reasoning behind some i.e Rice, then it may not actually be a 'mistake'), however i have EVERY confidence in him. He is still learning, as we all are.
I like his principles, he appears to be a good man manager and the players seem to respect him. He obviously sells the Club well to new players, as a few have mentioned that as one of the reasons for joining a club so geographically out on a limb.
The boo boys started way way to early on Tuesday night and some of the comments were outrageous. We had only played 135 minutes out of a minimum of 4410 minutes.
Besides who do the doom mongers feel would be a better option and would be available??
To be honest i cant even believe it is a topic for discussion at all, i agree with Dave that it is good to criticise, constructive criticism is fine, but to Judge him on 2 games (new season, new squad) and ask whether he should go!!! Please.
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Post by Dave on Aug 14, 2008 21:16:35 GMT
I agree, it has done my head in reading some posts, like I have said before I will heap praise where it is due, but will also make my views known if I think there has been a failing. What really makes me laugh is that before the start of last season, all the fans said they would be happy in the first season in the BSP, with a mid table position. So the first season would be to get the club back on track, stabilize it after the events of the season before. Maybe starting so well, was the problem, so many got their expectations far to high and was not prepared for any failure. So lets hope he can do it this season and shut the boo boys up  |
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Post by andygulls on Aug 14, 2008 21:36:41 GMT
Dave
You are really naughty starting another Buckle thread ;D ;D ;D
I voted for more time. I'll form a view around about the end of January at the close of the transfer window and then monitor the position onwards. Come the end of his second season we will have a reasonable body of evidence to start to form a conclusion.
Sir Alex Ferguson had started his Man U career with a little difficulty before embarking on an unbeaten league run of 16 matches at the end of his second season. His first 2 years in all games was W 45 (49%) D 27 (29%) L 20 (22%). If it took that man (and remember he had already managed 156 games with St Mirren and Aberdeen) 2 years to cut it with all the resources at his disposal we need to at least give PB a similar timeframe. As I have already said elsewhere - the benchmark for me will be Tisdale - and it took him until the final game of the second season before he convinced some city fans that he could do it!!
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Post by Dave on Aug 14, 2008 21:43:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2008 22:14:22 GMT
Good man always has good words to say about the fans he will become one of the best mangers we have had as long as some don't try to hang the guy before he gets chance to deliver.
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 15, 2008 6:16:13 GMT
I think we have had more than enough time to judge the manager!! The target last year with the difficulties we had was a top ten finish. We massively over performed finishing third and getting to the trophy final. In fact, if we hadn't had the misfortune to come up against that Aldershot team last year, we might have come top.  It would only take a similar performance to last year to have a very good chance of promotion and a slight improvement would definitely see us through.  I think the strength in depth that we now have will help address the main problem we had with fatigue towards the end of last season. O.K. , we all know that some mistakes were made, but who is perfect in their job, particularly in their first year? I think the positives massively outweigh the negatives. I can't see why this is even an issue. In respect of time scales to judge his performance, remember, we were 14 points clear of Exeter at the Christmas / New Year period and look where they are now!! It is a marathon stupid, as long as we are in contact with the front runners, everything is fine with me.  |
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Post by andygulls on Aug 15, 2008 8:06:55 GMT
I think we have had more than enough time to judge the manager!! The target last year with the difficulties we had was a top ten finish. We massively over performed finishing third and getting to the trophy final. In fact, if we hadn't had the misfortune to come up against that Aldershot team last year, we might have come top. It would only take a similar performance to last year to have a very good chance of promotion and a slight improvement would definitely see us through. I think the strength in depth that we now have will help address the main problem we had with fatigue towards the end of last season. O.K. , we all know that some mistakes were made, but who is perfect in their job, particularly in their first year? I think the positives massively outweigh the negatives. I can't see why this is even an issue. In respect of time scales to judge his performance, remember, we were 14 points clear of Exeter at the Christmas / New Year period and look where they are now!! It is a marathon stupid, as long as we are in contact with the front runners, everything is fine with me. Who are you calling stupid? No one has voted to say they are unhappy so what's your beef? |
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Post by stevedeckchair on Aug 15, 2008 20:10:51 GMT
Paul Buckle has done exceptionally well given the position we found ourselves in last pre-season.
Although we are all disappointed with our failure at the last hurdle last season, anyone who criticises the man after his first season as a manager needs their head reading in my opinion.
I am a happy Torquay fan and have the utmost confidence that Bucks and the team will have us up there challenging again this season. As football supporters, that's all we could ask for right? No matter what division we are in.
Well done Paul Buckle for the job you've done so far. How many players have said they signed because he sold the club to them!! His influence must not be underestimated in my opinion as positivity breeds positivity and if we are to be serious contenders to get out of this division, we need that in bucket loads.
Loathe as I am to admit it, Tisdale's preparation for the playoff final last season was spot on and it felt like there would only be one winner once they beat us to get there.
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Post by Dave on Aug 16, 2008 6:29:25 GMT
Good to read your positive views Steve, this thread was to try and show, most of the fans are more than happy having Paul as the manager.
So come on the rest of you, lets have your votes any any views you may have.
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Post by Dave on Aug 16, 2008 19:39:49 GMT
Dear Dave Shaw, I take it that as you have logged on at least four times,since this poll was started, you must be so undecided where to place your vote. Maybe the thought of going joint second on Monday, has made you decide too play a wait and see game. It has to close one day next week, so don't delay vote today |
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 17, 2008 12:08:58 GMT
Hi Andy Gull, Didn't mean to call anyone stupid  Just a phrase to hightlight that the season is a long term event although I appreciate that the season can be lost in the short term such as the games in February leading up to and including the Aldershot game. Will get back to enjoying Holiday. Hopefully we will be second on my return next weekend. |
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Post by Dave on Aug 17, 2008 15:20:36 GMT
Hi rjdgull, thanks for explaining that, sure Andy will see now it was not directed at him. Hope you enjoy the rest of your holiday, look forward to your return and enjoy reading your views on the forum.
Dave
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Post by daveshaw on Aug 17, 2008 16:49:51 GMT
OK Dave, bait taken!
Is he doing a good job? What criteria are you using to measure his performance by?
At the risk of repeating myself, we should have a good idea after 12 games.
My own opinion is that he has failed to address the defensive problems that were so glaringly obvious last season. He's had plenty of time and opportunity to do it. Our attack appears to have been weakened rather than strenghtened. So if we're going to be using the same policy of scoring more than we concede. Then i think he's got the balance wrong.
But, we'll see how many points we have at the end of september. I think that is a fair time to judge.
Nah, just kidding, he's doing a crap job......sack him! ;op
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I think the strength in depth that we now have will help address the main problem we had with fatigue towards the end of last season.
