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Post by Dave on Apr 23, 2009 19:24:07 GMT
Having a read elsewhere I can't believe some of the things being said just because the club has taken the very sensible decision, not to now do the end of season presentations at Sundays game with Burton.
If Burton get the point they need and go up as champions, what TUFC fans are really going to want to stay and watch them celebrate in our ground, even more so If we lost the game and found out we had missed out on the play-offs.
So I hear why not do it before the game starts, we have before, so why not now? Because this is the biggest game of the season for us thats why, do we really want our players distracted by a presentation? and one that the player who has maybe won it has done so only because some fans have voted for the player to stick their fingers up to the manager.
You can see the threads that would be started if we did it before the kick-off and then lost the game. It will be " what was the club doing, why do it before the game when the players minds should have only been on the game."
Some fans it seems look to moan about anything they can find to moan at, forget the presentations that are not as important as winning the game and getting into the play-offs and then hopefully going up to div2.
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Post by Fonda on Apr 23, 2009 19:34:41 GMT
Disagree completely Dave. Perhaps i'm being overly cynical, but this decision is a curious one. Apparently, because Burton might have a trophy presentation of their own on Sunday, it can't be done. Why can't it be presented before the game? That's how it used to be done, and if our players mental state is so fragile as to be affected by it, we're in real trouble. If the player receiving the award is no longer involved with the match day squad, it ought to be even easier? And why has it taken until now to make this decision? How long has it been evident that Burton might be due to pick up the Trophy at Plainmoor? I hope it's got nothing to do with who is leading the voting, because if the club didn't want Woodsie to win this award, why did they not announce beforehand that votes for ex-players wouldn't be considered? Some people assume that votes for Woods are a dig at the manager. Well i'm afraid some people will assume the reason for this action is that there is embarassment about the result.
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Post by Dave on Apr 23, 2009 19:49:21 GMT
Shane if Woods has won it then the club will do the right thing and at some stage will present Woods with his award, they would be well aware its a fans vote and what ever their own views they would have no choice but to give the award to the player most fans have voted for.
Do you really think our players won't be as nervous as hell before the game? sorry Shane but they are only human and know how big this game is for the club the fans and also themselves.
Be honest Shane, if it was done before the game and we lost, would you then reconsider your views on the presentation? would you then think that it may just have been an unnecessary distraction for the game that lied ahead.
Lets not start looking to make any fuss about something that is really of no importance when such a big prize is at stake on Sunday.
If some fans feel the club has done something wrong, then let them moan after the game, but I'll tell you what, I bet they will soon forget what they wanted to moan about, if we get the required result on Sunday and grab a play-0ff place.
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Post by Fonda on Apr 23, 2009 19:58:18 GMT
I clearly don't think having the presentation before the game will have the negative effect that you do Dave. As i said, i'd hope the players aren't so mentally fragile that they couldn't remain focussed on the main job at hand because of a little award ceremony.
If Woods has won it, and we manage to fight our way into the Play-Offs, it'll be interesting to see if he gets it 'behind closed doors', or at the Play-Off semi.
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Post by Dave on Apr 23, 2009 20:08:46 GMT
Shane I would hope you are right and that the players would not be mentally fragile, but would you want to take that risk when so much is at stake.
Have you also considered what the players might feel about Woods getting it, I do feel he is liked by many players and I still maintain that some were unhappy about him leaving and also possibly the way they felt it happened, but that would not be the case for all of them.
It was stated that Woods staying would effect the dressing room, now I can't say that would have been the case, but surely you can see why Buckle would not want Woods on the pitch before such a big game.
Like I said we should only be concentrating on one thing on Sunday and that is winning the game, I'm more than happy to get every possible distraction removed from the ground, if it does anything to help.
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Post by merse on Apr 23, 2009 20:17:32 GMT
Disagree completely Dave. Perhaps i'm being overly cynical, but this decision is a curious one. Apparently, because Burton might have a trophy presentation of their own on Sunday, it can't be done. Why can't it be presented before the game? That's how it used to be done, and if our players mental state is so fragile as to be affected by it, we're in real trouble.  Once again Fonda, you show yourself to be in La La Land as far as understanding professional football and it's demands. Were you at Leyton Orient the day myself and Peter Hicks presented Jon Gittens with his CG's PotS award prior to kick off of the game where we blew promotion? I can tell you that not only were Gitten's eyes totally glazed over as we handed him the awards, so focused did he feel the need to concentrate on the game he then had to be "reminded" that he'd have to let go of the trophy for the duration of the match so preoccupied was he. Not only that, but the dressing room to which we had both been invited to visit prior to kick off had a few pools of vomit on the floor such was the collective nervousness of the players. Players need to be left alone to focus mentally before taking the field, this is not some Sunday School/Cubs league you know!  |
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Post by Rob on Apr 23, 2009 20:26:32 GMT
I would have to agree that, on any reading, it's a distraction at a key time in the pre-match build-up. I have stayed after games and seen POTY awards in the past. I would hope we can do the same after the Play-Off semi, also.
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Post by andygulls on Apr 23, 2009 20:49:02 GMT
It is absolutely correct to adjourn the presentations to a future occasion. There is far too much riding on this game and a very real danger that we could miss out on the playoffs. Only a fool would want to (a) risk a presentation before kick off or (b) get it all mixed up with the potential of a Burton title win. I cannot understand for the life of me the mentality of those who might want to disrupt the focus of the day for a pretty meaningless award.  |
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Post by Jon on Apr 23, 2009 21:08:19 GMT
Only a fool would want to (a) risk a presentation before kick off or (b) get it all mixed up with the potential of a Burton title win. Absolutely. Unfortunately, we have quite a few of those amongst our support. I remember Neil Warnock stopping the awards being made before the match when he was here - he knows a little bit about how to manage a football team. Any team needs to focus fully on preparing for such an important game - whether the players are "mentally fragile" or not. With all this "Woods is a martyr" nonsense being whipped up, it's hardly surprising to see the usual supects use this totally sensible decision as a stick to beat the club with. |
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Post by forevertufc on Apr 23, 2009 21:30:25 GMT
i am going to paste my reply i posted on the thread i think dave is talking about in his o.p
i know their are a few who read both forums and some like myself who post on both ,i do not mean to cause any offence to any one with my dissagreement this is the way i feel.
i expect to get a real kicking for this ,however i am going to have my say.
what i find pathetic ,is that a number of people have voted for steve woods ,not to do with how played ,just to stick two fingers up to you know who.
this has made a mockery of this years vote ,with the number of people who have voted for woods just out of protest proves that we as fans can not be trusted.
most clubs do their player of the season after the match it is the right and only time to do it.
the club are not stupid they would have known their was more than a good chance steve woods would win it,the timing of the presetation in my opinion has nothing to with who the winner is just sound sense.
F.F.S guys sunday could be one of the most important matchs we have ever played.
we might just get in the play-offs ,oh how stupid of me we might just win the play-offs.
why chuck a spanner in the works ,and have a presentation just before the match,and if steve woods has won it might that not widen some rifts that might be their ,just how will this help the team who ,only need to win sunday hmmm
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Post by Dave on Apr 23, 2009 21:33:51 GMT
I can say forevertufc that having such sensible views will completely guarantee that you will not be receiving a kicking on this forum  |
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Post by ospelgull on Apr 23, 2009 21:38:23 GMT
A big WELL DONE to the club for putting the presentation back!
Focus on the game for 100%.
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Post by tufc01 on Apr 23, 2009 21:57:03 GMT
It is absolutely correct to adjourn the presentations to a future occasion. There is far too much riding on this game and a very real danger that we could miss out on the playoffs. Only a fool would want to (a) risk a presentation before kick off or (b) get it all mixed up with the potential of a Burton title win. I cannot understand for the life of me the mentality of those who might want to disrupt the focus of the day for a pretty meaningless award. TOTALLY agree. Who cares when the presentation is, or really even who wins it. At this moment in time we should ALL be focused on the task in hand. What is wrong with these people who are making such a fuss about it. The club have said its not happening after the game. GET OVER IT and channel that wasted energy in getting behind the team, for once. If we fail to go up, go back and get your stick then. Does it really matter if the presentation is done behind closed doors or in the car park, its a pretty flawed system anyway. |
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Post by Fonda on Apr 23, 2009 21:57:41 GMT
For the record, i'm not using this decision as a 'stick to beat the club with'. I merely think it's an unecessary decision. I might well be wrong on that, but i don't want people to have the wrong impression of why i've posted what i have.
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Post by tufc01 on Apr 23, 2009 21:58:24 GMT
Only a fool would want to (a) risk a presentation before kick off or (b) get it all mixed up with the potential of a Burton title win. Absolutely. Unfortunately, we have quite a few of those amongst our support. I remember Neil Warnock stopping the awards being made before the match when he was here - he knows a little bit about how to manage a football team. Any team needs to focus fully on preparing for such an important game - whether the players are "mentally fragile" or not. With all this "Woods is a martyr" nonsense being whipped up, it's hardly surprising to see the usual supects use this totally sensible decision as a stick to beat the club with. Ditto |
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