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Post by Dave on Apr 23, 2009 22:09:38 GMT
For the record, i'm not using this decision as a 'stick to beat the club with'. I merely think it's an unecessary decision. I might well be wrong on that, but i don't want people to have the wrong impression of why i've posted what i have. Shane as always they are your views and ones you are perfectly entitled to hold. I just feel you need to look at the bigger picture and weigh up what at the end of the day is really important. Do you think Bucks would want to have to stand on the pitch before such a big game and watch Woods get the award, knowing and believing he got it as a stick your fingers up gesture to him. Under the circumstances I really do feel its best to put it off and just concentrate on the game and trying to win it, who is right or wrong out of us? who knows but the game is far to important to let anything harm it or reduce the chance of winning it. |
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Post by Fonda on Apr 23, 2009 22:11:55 GMT
Fair enough Dave. Bucks knows the players better than i do. If he feels there is a very real possibility of them being side-tracked by any presentation, than it has to be the right decision. A result on Sunday is more important then anything else.
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Post by tufc01 on Apr 23, 2009 22:12:07 GMT
if it was done before the game and we lost, would you then reconsider your views on the presentation? would you then think that it may just have been an unnecessary distraction for the game that lied ahead. You hit the nail on the head there Dave, basically whatever the club have done/do, there are always those that will make a 'statement' against it. There is no pleasing some. If we go up you WILL still get some who will moan about something. How odd  |
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Post by chrish on Apr 23, 2009 22:18:21 GMT
I clearly don't think having the presentation before the game will have the negative effect that you do Dave. As i said, i'd hope the players aren't so mentally fragile that they couldn't remain focussed on the main job at hand because of a little award ceremony. If Woods has won it, and we manage to fight our way into the Play-Offs, it'll be interesting to see if he gets it 'behind closed doors', or at the Play-Off semi. Oh for christ's sake. You're being very naive. Yes, Fonda, you're right. Lets have the ceremony before the game. For argument's sake lets hope Steve Woods wins the award and then we can all see a nice public show of no confidence in the manager, board and team before a really f**king important game. If Woods has won it, it'll would "be interesting to see" if he gets it behind closed doors"? Do you mean picking up the third place trophy, just behind Wroe and Mansell? +- |
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Post by Dave on Apr 23, 2009 22:29:59 GMT
tufc01 I believe every fan wants the team to win and for us to go back up, some will question such a decision and I would have for sure as I was one who felt Woods may not have been treated as good as maybe he could have been, but that is only my own view.
I just feel that there is a time to ask the question, but feel its not now, we have to have just one thing to focus on and that as I have said is winning the game.
We both know what will happen anyway, Bucks gets the team up and no one will care if Woods got his award, fail and this will be used to beat him with along with everything else that can be used. It is the same as before really, whatever he does will be wrong, like Sean said on here he is dammed if he does and dammed if he does not, a real no win situation.
I remember when my ex-wifes granddad died, we had not long split up, I went to the funeral and sat on my own, but she had to come and sit beside me. Well as expected she broke down in tears during the service. What did I do? put my arms around her, I had been married to her for a long time, had three children with her.
Two days later she was telling everyone how I took advantage of her in the church, used her granddads funeral to get my arms around her again. Not true as I'm not like that, but what would have been said if I had not tried to comfort her. Yes you got it, i would have been called some cold hearted b*****d, who did not offer her any comfort and I should have after all we were married a long time and had three children.
Thats how I feel it must be for any manager at times, can't do right for doing wrong in some peoples eyes.
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Post by jmgull on Apr 24, 2009 2:57:40 GMT
...scrap any presentation, the whole thing has turned out to be a sorry joke.
Post it to Woods.....end of.
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Post by aussie on Apr 24, 2009 7:47:27 GMT
Fonda you seem to have a habit of disagreeing with most people about most things, might it be true that you just like an argument regardless of topic, are you just stirring the muck mate? You cannot be serious about the presentations, we have done it before and it went wrong, why do it again, senseless!
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Post by Fonda on Apr 24, 2009 8:12:12 GMT
No Aussie, i do not 'like an argument'. And i'm certainly not 'stirring any muck'. It's not unusual for people to disagree in 'real life', so i don't understand why it should be different here? Wouldn't the world be a dull place if nobody questioned anything, and everyone agreed on every issue.
As i've said, i honestly don't see why the presentation should overly effect the mental preparation of the players - such awards are done pre-match up and down the country every season. It would appear most people think i'm wrong with that view. I can certainly accept that. And hope, as everyone else does, the decision helps the team to 3 points on Sunday.
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Post by Budleigh on Apr 24, 2009 8:24:57 GMT
If the club, board, manager, players... whoever, decide that having this award before the game may have a detrimental effect on the outcome of the match itself; and decide not to have it after the match as there's a fair chance Burton will be presented with the league trophy at this time (which is what Setanta will dictate) then there is no arguement, that's how it should be done, and the reason's given accepted. To do otherwise would be calling into question the honesty and integrity of those who make these decisions. Why does every man and his dog want to look into things so deeply? It's been explained, trust what's been said. Simple....
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Post by chelstongull on Apr 24, 2009 8:30:12 GMT
Quite agree, if Bucks and the board decide that's how they want things done, then I'm right behind them. I will also be up at the ground tomorrow to hand over my £199.
We need to be 100% behind the team on Sunday with no distractions - it will be hard enough (in our current form) to win the Play Off Final or to qualify for them.
Next year (if we are in the Conference) will be extremely tough both on and off the field.
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Post by ali on Apr 24, 2009 8:37:11 GMT
The whole 'Steve Woods' saga should STOP now. We all have to focus on beating Burton on Sunday, my heart has been 'double beating' all week thinking about this game. Football is amazing, I am excited and terrified at the same time, the worst of it is, is that if we do win the game and get in the playoffs then there is more 'terror' to come ;D.  |
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Post by chrish on Apr 24, 2009 8:37:42 GMT
No Aussie, i do not 'like an argument'. And i'm certainly not 'stirring any muck'. It's not unusual for people to disagree in 'real life', so i don't understand why it should be different here? Wouldn't the world be a dull place if nobody questioned anything, and everyone agreed on every issue. As i've said, i honestly don't see why the presentation should overly effect the mental preparation of the players - such awards are done pre-match up and down the country every season. It would appear most people think i'm wrong with that view. I can certainly accept that. And hope, as everyone else does, the decision helps the team to 3 points on Sunday. Should overly effect? It wouldn't matter if it was a nothing game. But it's not, so why risk affecting the team in a negative way. |
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Post by Fonda on Apr 24, 2009 8:41:41 GMT
I'm not sure how many more concessions i can make. If i thought it would have a negative effect, i wouldn't have questioned the decision Chris. I've since conceeded, the manager knows the players better than i do, and if he thinks it might, it's the right decision.
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Post by chrish on Apr 24, 2009 9:14:22 GMT
I'm not sure how many more concessions i can make. If i thought it would have a negative effect, i wouldn't have questioned the decision Chris. I've since conceeded, the manager knows the players better than i do, and if he thinks it might, it's the right decision. You've conceded that the Manager knows the players better than you do? Wow. That's very gracious. |
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Post by Fonda on Apr 24, 2009 9:20:52 GMT
I never suggested otherwise Chris.
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