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Post by Dave on Oct 15, 2008 14:07:28 GMT
I really want to hear where Merse is on all this, he Is well aware Of what has happened. He Is the first one to state that the club should keep everything private, but I really wonder If Merse would still feel that over this matter.
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Post by jerry on Oct 15, 2008 14:15:25 GMT
I'm intrigued to know where you and Merse have got your information from Dave. If it is from Sean or someone connected with City Link then I would have to reiterate my earlier comment about hearing both sides and not just accepting one persons viewpoint. Not saying they would lie but everybody sees similar events from their own particular angle.
If it is from the club or someone connected with the club then I would have to ask why certain people (no offence) are deemed worthy of being kept abreast of goings on whilst the rest of us are (as usual) left to ponder and speculate?
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Post by Dave on Oct 15, 2008 14:29:23 GMT
I have had two long phone calls with someone, Jerry I would be a fool to offer a prize to guess who with  Merse has been aware Of things as well as another member on here, for some time, I know who told the member, because the person who told him, told me he did. I would expect Merse was told by the same person, but do not know that for sure. I can only repeat myself and say that yes I have only heard one side, the question Is do I fully believe everything the way It has been put to me? I would say yes and I hope that both Merse and the other member, would post, to say If they fully believe everything as well. I know one person who wants everything to come out, so what would he have to gain If what he states was not true, nothing at all and If he was telling lies, just where would that leave him with all the fans and everyone he knows.Something has to crack soon and If and when It does, then everyone will have the chance to judge, I'm sure you understand why I can't say too much at this time. |
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Post by Louise_M on Oct 15, 2008 14:43:29 GMT
Jerry,
if you aren't trusting what Dave is saying because you are worried about who his source is (2 sides to every story), I think you should just wait until a public statement is made by the club...If one ever is
You have to understand certain things can not be publically said at this time because of legal people as Dave said, which is why it's so difficult for Dave at the moment to try to get the point across...But if it does all come out you will realise that Dave has been completely justified for what he's beeing saying on here
Thanks
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Post by jerry on Oct 15, 2008 14:56:53 GMT
I'm not in any way doubting Dave or his source. I was just trying (I'm also a Libran Dave ) to make sure nobody was prejudged before they had a chance to put their side of the story. I don't know Dave but he certainly comes across as a thoroughly decent bloke and if, as seems the case, he is convinced by what he has heard then I guess it must be pretty damning. |
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Post by Dave on Oct 15, 2008 14:58:57 GMT
Thank you Louise_M for explaining my position at this time.
On a completely different note from this thread, did I see someone post that a player (did he play for Rushden) was sponsored by a man called Chris Roberts. Sure Its not the same one, but ours sure got up to some tricks while at our club.
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Post by Fonda on Oct 15, 2008 14:59:43 GMT
The thing i'm personally struggling to understand is that if an employee of the club has done something so blatantly wrong (as is being intimated here), how can the club justifiably stand by him, and happily kiss goodbye to much needed sponsorship funds? If they are backing their man (as is seemingly the case), it would perhaps seem to indicate that [n their eyes] the issue of blame is not quite so clear...? Still very confused.  |
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Post by Dave on Oct 15, 2008 15:05:19 GMT
Purist, while I would not dare to say this was the case here, but I know that there are times when some can be held over a barrow, If you know what I mean ;)I have no concerns as to where the blame lies and as I said I think things will have to crack and soon.
One party In all this has done nothing wrong and acted In very good faith, sadly that faith was not returned and this then was the reason part two happened, the one that does cause concern.
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Post by jerry on Oct 15, 2008 15:21:40 GMT
Jerry, if you aren't trusting what Dave is saying because you are worried about who his source is (2 sides to every story), I think you should just wait until a public statement is made by the club...If one ever is You have to understand certain things can not be publically said at this time because of legal people as Dave said, which is why it's so difficult for Dave at the moment to try to get the point across...But if it does all come out you will realise that Dave has been completely justified for what he's beeing saying on here Thanks I'm not expecting anything to be said publicly. Although it seems that plenty is being said without being said. Lets not beat about the bush here, it's obviously Colin Lee involved, if it wasn't then the people "in the know" would have made it clear as soon as everyone started mentioning his name. It just seems to me that his name is being dragged through the mud without him being given a chance to put his case. If, as you all say, he has acted badly then I will join in with any condemnation. I appreciate that nothing official can be said whilst the legal people are involved, so surely nothing "unofficial" should be said either. Just seems a little unfair that Sean and Louise have this site to put their side of things (however cryptically) whilst Colin has no such outlet. |
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Post by Dave on Oct 15, 2008 15:28:10 GMT
Jerry no one has named anyone, confirmed Or denied any name that may have been put forward.
Sean has made no posts on here about these matters and Louise has also not made any accusations Or even hinted at anything. Who ever Is considered to be the other side, has a voice through the club Or even the local paper to put their case across, It really Is that simple.
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Post by Louise_M on Oct 15, 2008 15:30:23 GMT
Well just wait and see then, the people on here have their opinions about it and are trying to get their message across. The club also have an outlet...the Official Torquay United Site and also the Herald.
I'm sure you'll look back on that statement and laugh when all is clear, but i can understand you want answers as does everyone
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Post by jerry on Oct 15, 2008 16:39:40 GMT
Yes, you are right Dave, neither Sean or Louise have said anything, apologies if my post implied that they had.
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Post by jerry on Oct 15, 2008 16:48:30 GMT
Well just wait and see then, the people on here have their opinions about it and are trying to get their message across. The club also have an outlet...the Official Torquay United Site and also the Herald. I'm sure you'll look back on that statement and laugh when all is clear, but i can understand you want answers as does everyone That is my point though Louise, the clubs outlets are through the "official" channels and as you quite rightly stated nothing "official" should be released at this time. So to be fair nothing "unofficial" should be aired either. For what it's worth, I am extremely grateful for all that Sean has done for the club this season and just hope that when the dust settles both he and the club could sit down and thrash something out that would enable him to feel he could renew his sponsorship. I'm sure he was immensely proud to be able to help out his beloved club with such an important project and I have no doubts that it must have been really hard to take the actions he felt he had to take this week! |
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Post by Dave on Oct 15, 2008 16:49:03 GMT
Yes, you are right Dave, neither Sean or Louise have said anything, apologies if my post implied that they had. Fully excepted Jerry, Its as maddening for those involved as those who want to know, that nothing has been put out by the club, stick in there mate as the news will get to you somehow |
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Post by merse on Oct 15, 2008 17:39:39 GMT
 I really want to hear where Merse is on all this, he Is well aware Of what has happened. He Is the first one to state that the club should keep everything private, but I really wonder If Merse would still feel that over this matter. I have only posted once on this subject, and anyone reading this for the first time or who needs reminding of what I said, should refer to that posting earlier on this thread. There is no need for me to repeat anything I have already said and all I would add is that I am disappointed that by the wording of the statement on the club's official site people have made assumptions from that statement that cannot be substantiated unless the Football club choose to do so. This reflects poorly on the Football Club AND the sponsor. It reflects poorly on the Football Club because there is no signatory to it, therefore leaving ambiguity as to whom it has come from; and it castes aspersions that the sponsor MAY have incurred costs that either cannot or have not been paid for. Quite frankly (in my opinion) the statement was insufficient in as much as the reason has not been given for the sponsor's unwillingness to continue underwriting the youth scheme and that leads one to question why exactly it was made at all. Was it made to "embarrass" the sponsor, and if it was; is it wise to conduct business in such a way that potential sponsors of the future might feel they are unwilling to possibly be put in such a situation when their sponsorship is terminated or discontinued? If it was done simply to "explain away" the withdrawal of funding, why is the Football club avoiding giving the reason for such withdrawal? Remember, the explanation given by Chairman Alex Rowe in the Herald Express was NOT included in the club statement on it's own website, therefore leading one to question whether or not the chairman was party to; or aware of the statement going on the website in the first place. There is obviously a lot of talking and investigating to be done at boardroom level as to why the Football Club have lost such a large chunk of income, and thereafter exactly what they are planning to do to replace that lost revenue. They should be conducting an enquiry as to how and whether the whole episode could have been avoided, and they have vital decisions to make in the light of all this. I wish all parties clear thinking and luck!
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Merse has been aware Of things as well as another member on here, for some time, I know who told the member, because the person who told him, told me he did. I would expect Merse was told by the same person, but do not know that for sure.
