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Post by Swanny on Jan 30, 2010 18:25:41 GMT
I'm still trying to work out what went wrong today. In many respects this was a very good Torquay performance, an overall good team performance which played well and made several decent chances. If we are a mid table team I would not mind too much as the second half was a really good full blooded match to watch and good value for money. However in our position this was another disastrous result just like Burton last week throwing away a lead to lose late on. It is worrying that this is now happening and we cannot close a game down when winning. Bradford's two goals today were pretty soft and avoidable. Crowd 2,592, around 500 from Bradford, sponsors MOTM Nicky Wroe.
Torquay started well and had a couple of decent chances shortly before we took the lead. Stevens had one such chance when clean through but their keeper saved. Our goal came from a corner that fell loose around the penalty spot and Robertson stabbed the ball home. 1-0 and a deserved lead. Torquay played well for the rest of the half and there was a good balance in the side. Zebroski looked better on the right wing today as opposed to the left, Stevens seized his start by looking lively, Wroe passing was good today, Benyon looked like he could hurt their defence today, and Rendell was doing a good job as the target man as well as helping out in the air with his defensive duties (like Sillsy used to). The home crowd was in good voice and Bradford did not threaten much.
In the second half Torquay should have scored in the first minute. A lovely sweeping counter attack started with Rendell, then back to Benyon, Benyon then found Rendell again in the penalty area. Rendell shot first time just wide. Bradford, having making a double substitution at half time, were much more dangerous in the second half. They had a period of pressure when Torquay were penned right back. The ball hovered around our goalmouth several times but we survived. Poke made one decent diving save. But Torquay responded and the rest of the match was a full blooded affair with both team giving all and having chances. Torquay should have scored a second on a few occasions with Danny Stevens having the best one. A fine team move finished with the ball being laid back to Danny in the penalty area. However he hit the ball low against the foot of the post. Rendell was forced off with an arm injury, so on came O'Kane who went right wing with Zebroski going up front with Benyon.
This did not seem to affect Torquay at the time as O'Kane made some good passes from the right wing, and chances were still coming. Poke then went down in a heap and needed attention for a couple of minutes following a challenge. Poke recovered as the game had now reached an exciting end-to-end affair which could swing either way. On 82 minutes a Bradford corner came over, there was a bit of a scramble and the ball was poked home from close range. Bradford had been threatening this and Torquay was rueing their missed chances.
The board was raised for 4 minutes of injury time. I felt a bit uneasy about this as you felt Bradford were finishing the stronger. Then Bradford had a free-kick about 30 yards out. The ball was floated over, nodded down and finished off at close range. All Torquay's good work had gone to waste again. Out poured many home fans, many just stayed quietly slumped in their seats. One Torquay supporter walking out aimed plenty of verbal at Colin Lee who could clearly hear him telling him to use the money in the kitty etc. It was all a little ugly and unpleasant. The last time I heard that sort of thing, it was aimed at Chris Roberts.
So we are now well in the relegation mire, and I was informed today by my good friend Crispygull that Grimsby have made some great signings and there is no way they will go down. There are many positive things about our club these days, and on the pitch today performance wise it was very good. But it is all well and good doing things right for the majority of the match, but not converting your chances and letting in 2 softish goals is a recipe for disaster. We needed someone more commanding at the back when it really mattered. Maybe Poke could have been more commanding coming off his line and it might be time to see Bevan again. Afterall Bevan is OUR goalkeeper. I hope Branston might be the answer as well to get us out of this pickle. Well you have to keep your sense of humour in this difficult season. Judging by their expressions at the end many Torquay supporters have lost theirs !
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Post by jmgull on Jan 30, 2010 18:28:36 GMT
The sick twist that you just knew was coming.......there was only ever going to be one winner once Bradford had equalized.
Hard on us perhaps because overall we had done enough to win the game with a much better performance (from an under strength side) than the previous saturdays donation to Burton's points tally..........but if you cant clear your own box, which we found increasingly hard to do as the game wore on.......then you're going to get punished. The anti Branston signing brigade need no further evidence than today.........we need some steel at the back, Robertson must make way i'm afraid.
Obviously we also need a striker alongside Rendell with some pace, the Bradford centre halves were the two worst i've seen this season positionally and for lack of pace..........Benyon had three or four chances to go clear on goal but was outmuscled each time....the rest of the Benyon performance was an improvement on recent limp displays.......he held it up quite well and layed off some neat passes. I'm not anti-Benyon.......but the sad fact is that at the moment he's not the answer, Zebroski or a new quicker striker must partner Rendell. Bradford were their for the taking and the fact that we didn't add to the early goal is down to not having the right front two and (and Stevens woeful finishing twice)............it cost us the game in my opinion.....this was a game we should have won by 3 or 4.
The midfield did ok.......won the first 80 mins and lost the last 10 when the game got stretched and Bradford had a go. Zebroski is wasted on the wing but looked a bit better on the right and Stevens wasted his opportunity of a rare start on the left with 2 glaring misses and little else to note. O'Kane got 30 minutes and showed what a good little footballer he is with a superb cross that went begging and an intelligent pull back to lay it on the plate for Stevens to miss what would have been the game clinching goal.
Defensively...........we are never secure haven't been all season, Charnock is overworked and does his job, Robertson isn't commanding enough........Smith was again the pick of the full backs and Mansell must be really fearing for his place in the side at the moment as he got skinned several times in the second half.
Rendell had a fine game and dominated in the air up front.........let's hope the injury isn't as serious as it looked, we will miss him if it is.
I still think we'll be ok......but as is the TUFC way we are making it much harder for us than it needed to be.
Fingers crossed for a decent signing or 2.
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Post by keyberrygull on Jan 30, 2010 18:47:44 GMT
Agreed jm gull there was only ever going to be one winner once Bradford had equalized and the Pop side response "Theres only one Chris Hargreaves" Its easy to support a team who are winning aint it
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Post by Rob on Jan 30, 2010 19:02:44 GMT
Radio commentary suggested that when Rendell came off we just didn't have anyone up top to enable the ball to stick. Hmm...
Judging signings/departures on February 1st is one thing, but our timing, whether by design or circumstance has stunk this last couple of weeks. What with three very winnable games being thrown by a squad shot to pieces. No leadership on the field during a very important run of games. That, I'm afraid, IS poor management.
I'm sure I'll be shot down for this observation, but read very carefully. As a business manager, when in the month would you have had certain discussions? When you wanted all hands to the pump? Or another time? Blame HR, eh!
F***ed off, logged off.
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Post by jmgull on Jan 30, 2010 19:03:16 GMT
Agreed jm gull there was only ever going to be one winner once Bradford had equalized and the Pop side response "Theres only one Chris Hargreaves" Its easy to support a team who are winning aint it Sure is It's a sure sign of the mentality of some of our fan base.......when they think that having a pop at the club is in any way helpful after a sickener like that. If releasing a guy, who's been slightly better than mediocre this season, just shy of his 38th birthday is the reason for our failure to gain a mid table spot then we really must be shafted.
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Post by frobisher on Jan 30, 2010 19:10:16 GMT
Just don't know what to say about today jus got home. Wasn't looking forward to it today as I was convinced we would lose. Carlisle was missing and we looked weak. However we seemed to more or less outplay Bradford for long periods and in the second half missed some great chances. Really thought the weak link today was Danny Stevens who lost the ball everytime he got it in the first 30 minuted. Somehow lost the ball when clean through and then missed an absolute sitter when he somehow managed to hit the post with the goal gaping. There was some great peformances though Adam Smith is excellent - he was playing left wing and left back by himself for most of the game. Benyon and Zebroski were excellent. As soon as they equalised we imploded - O'Kane was good going forward but both him and Stevens left us wide open on the flanks Bradford looked an appalling side mind you - they could not cope with Benyons running. I really did not think the free kick for their winner should have been given but as has been said it really wasn't suprising they scored again. Can't blame the manager this time - could not really have done anything else with what he had available. It appeared that Sam Cox was coming on in the second half and I might have put him at left back and put Smith on the wing and taken Stevens off. At least he gave a more realistic after match interview this time and alluded to the fact that we really have to start winning games. Thats the crux really though - are we going to win enough of the remaining matches? The last three matches have been distinctly winnable. 2-0 up last week, played rubbish and lost. This week played well and got the same result. I feel the manager has to pull a decent central midfielder and a striker out of the hat in the next day or so, and we will have every chance. If that doesn't happen its going to be a long hard slog.
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Post by frobisher on Jan 30, 2010 19:12:01 GMT
I did not hear any Hargreaves comments. It was like a morgue for the first ten minutes but the fans really got behind the team after that.
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Post by keyberrygull on Jan 30, 2010 19:32:33 GMT
I did not hear any Hargreaves comments. It was like a morgue for the first ten minutes but the fans really got behind the team after that. It was the loudest chant the popside offered all afternoon
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Post by Dave on Jan 30, 2010 19:43:58 GMT
The only reason when I got home that I wished I had not gone to the game today was not because of the result, but the cold air badly effected me as I have not even been outside my front door since Tuesday due to being unwell.
I’m not a violent person or one that often loses his temper, but if Aussie and I could have got to one so called fan after the game we would have knocked his block off, the abuse he gave to our players and more importantly Paul Buckle had me seeing red and I tell you what I felt for Paul Buckle today.
When Bradford’s second goal went him some other so called fan decided he wanted to let Buckle know just what a so and so he was for keeping Thompson and getting rid of Hargreaves, do fans really not understand or even know why Hargreaves has left our club.
Not feeling I was up to talking with people today I decided to give the popside a miss and stand beside the dugouts and also watch Paul Buckle up close and I learned a lot about him and just how much he really cares. OK I can hear you all saying that caring is not going to be enough to keep us up this season, but he lived and kicked every ball today, he never stopped once to take a breath as he encouraged his players, gave them instructions and for his efforts he put into this game, he deserved more than he got.
If I’m honest he did not look very relaxed when he came out at the start of the game and looked very much on edge and I could see just how badly he needed to get a result today, if that second goal hurt us the fans, let me tell you it really hurt Bucks, its not a job most of us could do believe me, I hope he can turn things around soon,
With no Carlisle as expected Bucks started Danny Stevens who had a very poor game and also hit the post in the second half when he should have put us two and we would then have probably won this game. I felt O'Kane should have started on the right wing, but Bucks decided to play Zebs out there and we all know where he really plays best for us.
But to be fair Benyon worked his socks off up front, was so much stronger than he has been and against some big and tough defenders and deserved to be the man of the match far more than Nicky Wroe who did win it.
We did not start that wonderfully but we created enough chances to have won by three of four goals, but then he rode our luck a bit at times, on six minutes Mansell went on a good run and slipped Stevens in on goal but his shot was blocked but it was clear to see Bradford were a bit slow at the back.
Bucks saw that and gave our fullbacks instructions to get the ball in behind them and told Benyon to run the channels more and for a time it was working and Benyon was also winning us a few free kicks. One such free kick found Rendell on the edge of the box but his header lacked any real power and ended up an easy catch for the keeper.
On 14 minutes Wroe made a great tackle on the halfway line and played the ball to Rendell, he looked up and saw Benyon on a run and played a perfect pass to him, Benyon went into the box and his shot got defected just past the far post. From the corner the ball was only half cleared and came out to Robertson who fired the ball into the back of the net
On 20 minutes Benyon won another free kick that was sent into the Bradford box but was headed back out by a defender, Thompson hit a good volley that was not that far over the bar, it was the only thing he did well in the whole match.
We were a bit guilty of not keeping the ball as he should have been doing and Bradford at times were playing the better football and in one move they made four or five one touch passes that ended in a shot from the edge of the box that just went over Pokes bar.
We should have been two nil up around the 35 minute mark, Zebs had played a good low and hard ball across the face of the goal, Rendell took a swing at it and missed the ball, it came to Stevens who had to score as the keeper was stranded on the other side of the goal, but he went and scooped the bar over the bar, it would have been easier to score.
Four minutes later Benyon battled hard and won the ball wide right of the Bradford box, played in Stevens who hit a left foot shot that flashed past the right hand post and that was our last chance of the first half and we could have been going in three up if the chances had been taken.
At the very beginning of the second half we came so close to getting that second goal a good move saw Benyon going across the edge of the box and just when you thought he was going to shoot he flicked the ball to his right and into the path of Rendell who hit a great side foot shot across the keeper but it just missed and went past the post.
We stared to get a bit lucky on front of our own goal and Mansell found himself just outside the left our box, got beat far too easily and the ball was flashed across our goal mouth, the ball just went behind a Bradford player running in and the warning signs were starting to appear.
Rendell then went off with an arm injury, he sure looked in a lot of pain when he came over to indicate to Bucks he could not continue and so on came O'Kane and a chance to get a better look at this young man. He looks good and put into the box some of the best balls played in during the whole game and after a really great move he fooled everyone and rolled a great ball for Stevens to come on to and hit, sadly Stevens hit the post and at that stage of the match you felt were going to need a second goal.
Then things turned against us, Benyon lost the ball on the halfway line far too cheaply, the ball found its way into our box and Thompson for me was so lucky not to give a penalty away as he looked like he was all over the Bradford player and somehow we got the ball away for a corner. It came in and there was a bit of a scramble and the ball got poked into our net.
We started becoming second to every ball and were on the back foot and when the board went up showing there was four minutes of injury time and he said plenty of time to get a goal and win this game, I replied and yes also to lose it.
Had to be Stevens to give away an unnecessary free kick in our half and it was taken to the far post, headed down and put in the net again from close range.
OK another game we were winning we lost at home again, but the players gave all they had and if Bucks can’t bring any more experienced players here, he needs to put more faith in the young players he has brought in. For me O'Kane should have started as should have Cox and Thompson should have only been on the bench and Mansell in the middle to give us the bite we are missing that Hargreaves gave us. Zebs has to be only played up front and Robertson needs to be dropped and I would expect it will be Branson who takes his place, but I would start Ellis. Got to talk with Mark today, that boy is a credit to himself how he deals with all the disappointments he has here to deal with.
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Post by Dave on Jan 30, 2010 19:51:30 GMT
I have just about past it but have declared myself not fit enough to be on the popside, Treat yourself to an afternoon sitting with Terry Larcombe, Brucie the dog and Frobisher ~ the one with nothing up top ~ all behind the manager then! Unnecessary post merse and not really welcome, there was no abuse coming from where he was sat and he has written a decent match report and posted his view fairly and honestly.
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Post by merse on Jan 30, 2010 20:09:58 GMT
You can have Ferguson or Capello in charge but if you go from the start with "Silly Billy" Benyon up front, you can't expect to offer much threat to the opposition goal. .................... but then that is my personal view gathered on the limited amount of times I been able to see the team this season. Just that whenever I see we are to start with Benyon AND Stevens together in the lineup I don't have any confidence in gaining a result. There you go Merse having a pop at Benyon again and you weren't even at the game . I'm not commenting on the game , as you quoted me verbatum you can see I was commenting on the selection and my feelings about it before the first whistle. Benyon might well have played well in your opinion, but who failed to retain possession that lead to the corner for their first, and who lost possession (as well as missed a few chances to seal the win) for the second? Benyon and Stevens. As ever, and true to past history I'm afraid. I watched close up on Tuesday as Rendell and Thomson struggled to work with Benyon's totally unorthodox and quite frankly; thoughtless running off the ball in the first half and to be perfectly honest a decent half intelligent "near post" striker would have thrived on Thomson's ability to put the ball into the position of maximum opportunity from where a glancing header or deftly touched shot would produce an attempt on goal. In my opinion Benyon is the product of poor coaching early in his development and is incapable of making good decisions whilst Stevens will always struggle to impose himself and put to good use his excellent technique unless he acquires an upper body strength he simply doesn't have right now. Look at Smith, look at Cox; they have it. It has nothing to do with being short, it is to be with not having the physique. So there we have it, I said I had no confidence in gaining a result with these two starting. They started and we failed to get a result.
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Post by chrish on Jan 30, 2010 20:18:29 GMT
I think Frobisher's post sums it up quite nicely, along with SwanGull's customary excellent match report. A disappointing result after a very good performance, Danny Stevens apart who I'm sad to was awful all game. I thought we looked bright up front and solid and organised in defence for most of the game. However they put pressure on us in the middle of the park in the second half and we didn't win enough ball to alleviate the growing pressure.
I also thought the referee and his bald assistant were absolutely hopeless in the second half and gave several mystifying decisions, one of which led to the winning goal.
I finished the game telling some daft tit who was yelling "F**k off Buckle, you tosser" to shut up and then got told "f**k off, I've paid my money to watch this". So I replied "why don't you stay at f**king home then". So £15 entitles you to act like a prick it seems at Plainmoor these days. I shall stay away from Plainmoor now I think else I'll end up belting someone.
Plus we had the usual morons chanting for Buckle's head at the end of the game. But they would still chant the same thing even if "legends" Sills, Hargreaves and Woods played. They did it last season at Kidderminster. Paul Buckle is turning into our version of Gary Megson, and he's not even a ginger.
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Post by merse on Jan 30, 2010 20:19:14 GMT
Unnecessary post merse and not really welcome, Is it your intention that this now becomes a humourless forum? I was poking fun at Mr Larcombe's frequently changing persona to which any half brained idiot can see through. I don't complain at being painted as a pantomine dame, like him I post in a no holds barred manner and like him I'm old enough and ugly enough to take it on the chin.....................a Mary Poppins character I am not and neither is he!
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Post by keyberrygull on Jan 30, 2010 20:27:01 GMT
I though referee East got most things right today ( rendell incident excluded) and Paul Durkin agreed. Am I in a minority?
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Post by merse on Jan 30, 2010 20:29:51 GMT
"f**k off, I've paid my money to watch this" Look on the bright side Chris, such idiots are only one hare brained action from chucking their fifteen quid over the wall and not coming in at all. The Plainmoor crowd is one of those that needs to be inspired by the team rather than vice vera and all the great clubs have the "vice versa" needless to say. It's a true moron who swings like a weather vane in line with the score of the match, but that's the truth about so many of our fans I'm afraid. Score, and they're in seventh heaven and of course Exeter is full of shit. Let one in and it's "Buckle Out" and "Theres's Only One Chrissie Hargreaves" By the way, that stupid commentator on BBC Devon who is forever moaning that they don't get any emails from listeners certainly got one today........................but the pratt still didn't read it out!
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