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Post by merse on May 12, 2010 17:33:57 GMT
Three parties lost this election. I am hoping that Labour select a decent leader and present a decent opposition - the only opposition, and that they are ready and waiting for the time that this shabby agreement falls apart - as I have no doubt it will wthin the next couple of years. Should it go wrong, as I suspect, then the Liberals have just commtted electoral suicide. No matter what choice is presented to me in future elections, I will not be able to vote Lib Dem. There are many, many like me in marginal seats.  Enzo and I should stick to politics and leave football alone. Never have I so utterly agreed with him on this or any other forum and I share his view that this miserable betrayal, this scandalous affair of the country squire and his butler's daughter; will end within two years. In future for me, a vote for Liberal Democrat equates to a vote for the Tories, and I can categorically state that it will never happen. People were saying this would be a good election to lose ~ how right they were! |
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Post by Enzo on May 12, 2010 17:47:01 GMT
Three parties lost this election. I am hoping that Labour select a decent leader and present a decent opposition - the only opposition, and that they are ready and waiting for the time that this shabby agreement falls apart - as I have no doubt it will wthin the next couple of years. Should it go wrong, as I suspect, then the Liberals have just commtted electoral suicide. No matter what choice is presented to me in future elections, I will not be able to vote Lib Dem. There are many, many like me in marginal seats. Enzo and I should stick to politics and leave football alone. Never have I so utterly agreed with him on this or any other forum and I share his view that this miserable betrayal, this scandalous affair of the country squire and his butler's daughter; will end within two years. |
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Post by merse on May 12, 2010 18:02:33 GMT
Bookies are taking bets on whether Clegg and Cameron fall out before you and I do!
4/6 You & I I've put me fiver on to win three pounds seventy five already!  |
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Post by lambethgull on May 12, 2010 22:15:37 GMT
It was, quite simply, the only viable option based on the results of the election. If anyone can provide a compelling argument otherwise, I would be interested to hear it. Not the only option at all. The Liberal Democrats could have stood their ground and remained the third party in numerical strength, thus leaving the other two parties to struggle with their percentage of the vote. They could have supported or opposed each and every Government proposal as they saw fit and retained their credibility.
If that had led to another rapid General Election, so be it. If that meant that the parties could not afford the blanket campaigning and bullshit we all had to suffer then fine, let people make their minds up without all the bluster and lies.
If anyone is simple and gullible enough to believe proportional representation in the House of Commons comes of all this they want to chack they don't have a great big thingy sticking out of their forehead ~ Tory Turkeys will NOT vote for Christmas!  You're letting your distaste at seeing Dave and Gideon in 10 and 11 Downing Street cloud your judgement if you believe this would have led to anything other than a Tory majority. An election within 6-12 months after the collapse of a minority Conservative government would have resulted in carnage for a cashless and leaderless/newly led Labour Party and an equally cashless Liberal Democrats who would be blamed for its collapse at a time of financial crisis after fighting the last election on a platform of 'working together'. The alternative of course would have been for the Lib Dems to let Tory legislation pass without any representation in the cabinet or significant policy concessions. I repeat: the current arrangment was the only viable option. As for electoral and political reform, the proposed reforms outlined in the coalition agreement are startling. It goes far further in this area than anything Labour ever promised (or implemented during their 13 years of office). Adrian Sanders said today... "Anyone with doubts about this historic agreement ought to read it first. Reading it today I still have to pinch myself." |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2010 19:20:51 GMT
One time TUFC Vice-President Frederick Layland-Barratt MP (see page 11 of Mike Holgate's book) was a Liberal. Page 11 of the aforementioned book:  Meanwhile a new picture of the Lib Dem leader on his way to meet his new mate Dave in the rose garden:  Nick Clegg? Sorry, I thought he was called Norman.... |
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Post by Jon on May 16, 2010 21:52:40 GMT
I sensed a strong anti-Labourism at school, at home and in our social circle: Labour wasn’t really for the likes of us in cul-de-sacs on the English Riviera. I note that Torquay / Torbay was staunchly Conservative in the elections between 1924 and 1992, which suggests that maybe that was seen as the safest way to register an anti-socialist vote. The Liberals always did pretty well before the socialists came along and have fared even better since Tony Blair abolished socialism. |
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