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Post by merse on May 8, 2010 14:03:06 GMT
I see the gay tree huggers in Brighton have elected a loonie leftie Green candidate. The lunatics are definitely in charge of the asylum now. A very apt attitude to illustrate your UKIP take on life! UKIP..................a pretty pointless party with a pretty minimal share of the vote.
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Post by lambethgull on May 8, 2010 14:47:14 GMT
Whatever one thinks of the Greens or their policies, how does the election of 1 MP (or 0.15% of representation in the House of Commons) consitute a takeover of anything by anyone?
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Post by davethegull on May 9, 2010 9:18:43 GMT
Lambie, i was referring to Brighton as the asylum and the lunatic green MP taking over. There, is that clearer for you? Of course they're entitled to vote for whoever they like in a free society i just don't happen to agree with them.
Merse, your marxist leanings are obvious so it's no surprise you're against freedom of thought or any libertarian ideals.
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Post by merse on May 9, 2010 9:54:26 GMT
Merse, your marxist leanings are obvious so it's no surprise you're against freedom of thought or any libertarian ideals. You see the problem with those of extreme view is that they see others in an equally extreme light. Thus those who advocate a solid socially responsible society drawing it's strength from good government and a fair taxation system whereby those who can afford it underwrite the deficit caused through having a considerable number of people in society who cannot afford the mean average are called "Marxists" by right wingers. Yet that is what guarantees a safe and stable environment in which we can all live. You chose to move to a society in which the chronically poor live to be criminally exploited by the obscenely rich and take a look at the discord and potentially disastrous volcano of social unrest fermenting on your doorstep. There have been those in this country of a right wing persuasion who have willfully manipulated the tax laws so that they contribute the absolute minimum into our society and we all know which political party they support. There are those in this country who, despite the evidence of the last hundred years of catastrophic wars; would have us leave the very fabric of the European Community that has gone such a long way to preserving peace amongst us all in the last fifty years. Such people who promote and maintain the idea of a European Union and in social responsibility are not "Marxists" and any right wing, bigoted fool who believes they are is really just underlying what a complete donkey they are when surveying society. I've never made a secret of my politics and I won't now........................my first priority has always been to vote anti Tory, thus when I lived in Devon I voted Liberal and when I moved to London I voted Labour with the exception of 1997 when I cast my vote for The Monster Raving Loony party as I had a particular issue with my local Labour candidate Steven Timms. I don't see how that makes me a Marxist, but if that is how you see me that is your prerogative.......................but then YOU reckon Paul Buckle is a useless manager so I rest my case. Freedom of thought is one thing, but Libertarianism is NOT a freedom to exploit or exclude others.
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Post by lambethgull on May 9, 2010 10:00:38 GMT
Lambie, i was referring to Brighton as the asylum and the lunatic green MP taking over. There, is that clearer for you? Of course they're entitled to vote for whoever they like in a free society i just don't happen to agree with them. If you paid closer attention to British politics, you'd know that the people of Brighton are already represented by 13 Green councilors. I'm sure the people of Brighton will be relieved to discover that your consider them entitled to vote for whoever they like though In term of terms of the national picture, whilst it's true that the Green Party only attracted 1% of votes nationally, isn't it a bit much for a UKIP supporter to be calling supporters of fringe parties 'lunatics', when their candidates were rejected by 97% of those who voted?
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Post by aussie on May 9, 2010 10:16:01 GMT
You lot are just as bad as the ones who we voted for with all this point scoring going on, it`s also quite boring to read! I know why don`t I just scroll past and ignore it!
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Post by stuartB on May 9, 2010 20:59:34 GMT
So we have a hung parliament, David Cameron says "Labour don't have a mandate to govern" but like all polititicians it's what they don't say that is more pertinent.................have you yet heard him add ".............but neither do we"? Will we get a formal coalition or a minority government? By the rules of the constitution the incumbent Prime Minister has to, have the opportunity to form a government, and only if he fails is he required to offer his resignation. Congratulations to Adrian Sanders for increasing his share of the vote and romping home for the Liberals in Torbay, likewise to my local MP Jeremy Corbyn in doing likewise for Labour in Islington North where the Tories Fat Con...........came a dismal third. Perhaps our "Proud Tory" in the Rhondda would care to expand on how his Tory candidate fared, did he turn up for the count? Did he hold on to his deposite? So nobody wins, but who's the real loser? I'd say it's those who hate elections because we're going to have another one before Christmas. sorry been away for the weekend watching football!!! well, the Tory did hang on to her deposit but came in 4th. What a shame that the town of your birth, Newton Abbot, has changed back to Tory. did it make you choke on your breakfast ;D The funniest thing for me over the last few days is seeing the faces of all those people who voted Liberal to try and prevent a Tory government, not that they are actually Liberal, and then seeing their party doing a deal with the devil. the Liberals went backwards after the last LibLab pact. After this they could be totally destroyed unless they get their PR
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Post by merse on May 9, 2010 21:15:48 GMT
The funniest thing for me over the last few days is seeing the faces of all those people who voted Liberal to try and prevent a Tory government, not that they are actually Liberal, and then seeing their party doing a deal with the devil. the Liberals went backwards after the last LibLab pact. After this they could be totally destroyed unless they get their PR If the Liberal Democrats have anything about them, they will avoid a coalition with either the Tories or Labour but insist they will be their own party deciding which party's bills and policies they will suport as they see fit. Wouldn't that leave us with a Labour Prime Minister of a minority government depending on support from all the minor parties who could then take advantage of their suddenly increased power by demanding their pound of flesh in return for their support? The nearest we have ever come to proportional representation!
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Post by stuartB on May 9, 2010 22:11:39 GMT
The funniest thing for me over the last few days is seeing the faces of all those people who voted Liberal to try and prevent a Tory government, not that they are actually Liberal, and then seeing their party doing a deal with the devil. the Liberals went backwards after the last LibLab pact. After this they could be totally destroyed unless they get their PR If the Liberal Democrats have anything about them, they will avoid a coalition with either the Tories or Labour but insist they will be their own party deciding which party's bills and policies they will suport as they see fit. Wouldn't that leave us with a Labour Prime Minister of a minority government depending on support from all the minor parties who could then take advantage of their suddenly increased power by demanding their pound of flesh in return for their support? The nearest we have ever come to proportional representation! everyone is saying how this situation is terrible but isn't this what we would get every time under proportional representation?
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Post by lambethgull on May 9, 2010 22:36:53 GMT
If the Liberal Democrats have anything about them, they will avoid a coalition with either the Tories or Labour but insist they will be their own party deciding which party's bills and policies they will suport as they see fit. Wouldn't that leave us with a Labour Prime Minister of a minority government depending on support from all the minor parties who could then take advantage of their suddenly increased power by demanding their pound of flesh in return for their support? The nearest we have ever come to proportional representation! everyone is saying how this situation is terrible but isn't this what we would get every time under proportional representation? The people crowing loudest about how "terrible" the current situation is are the right-wing media who have been denied the Tory majority they felt they deserved as some sort of right. I see nothing terrible in what is happening at the moment. If the Liberal Democrats were to form a coalition government with the Tories, then we'd have a government that was formed by two parties whose combined share of the vote was over 50%. Ditto if the Lib Dems were to form a coalition with Labour and the Nationalists and Northern Irish MPs. When was the last time a British government was formed which received more than 50% of the popular vote?
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Post by loyalgull on May 10, 2010 17:10:06 GMT
so its bye bye gordon brown then,no surprise there
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Post by stefano on May 11, 2010 11:47:08 GMT
so its bye bye gordon brown then,no surprise there I can see our Generals getting totally fed up with all this indecision so if an unelected Government is what is coming let's have the tanks rolling down Whitehall!
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Post by merse on May 11, 2010 12:16:45 GMT
I can see our Generals getting totally fed up with all this indecision so if an unelected Government is what is coming let's have the tanks rolling down Whitehall! But that was the will of the people who failed to return a single party in large enough numbers to form a government on their own. When the people voted in the Conservatives under Thatcher, they democratically elected a dictatorship!
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Post by stefano on May 11, 2010 12:44:59 GMT
I can see our Generals getting totally fed up with all this indecision so if an unelected Government is what is coming let's have the tanks rolling down Whitehall! But that was the will of the people who failed to return a single party in large enough numbers to form a government on their own. When the people voted in the Conservatives under Thatcher, they democratically elected a dictatorship! Although that was the will of the people as well. No, let's give the tanks a try
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Post by lambethgull on May 11, 2010 16:00:43 GMT
Thatcher didn't need the tanks to roll down Whitehall, Main Street, Stanley was plenty good enough.
She won elections handsomely under FPTP, but always with a minority of the popular vote.
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