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Post by Dave on Feb 27, 2009 19:21:53 GMT
Fonda, as I have said, only one word has been discussed, but I'm Sure Steve will confirm that fact and that the stewards will only be dealing with the C word song.
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Post by jimd on Feb 27, 2009 19:39:07 GMT
 If that is the case, and you were an official referee; then you were a bloody disgrace. If you can't rise above that, even worse; descend to that level of idiocy then you should never even contemplate being a referee! Firstly I was never an Official referee, I have never aspired to be one either, and maybe as you point out it is just as well! I have done some reffing after running a team at the very lower end of the footballing ladder and I can tell you I Know plenty of official referee's who have their favorites at this level so please dont tell me it doesn't happen. It does! Next you will tell me they all show up sober as well! Secondly My point was that subconsciously it is human nature for the referee to side with one team or the other, and calling him a C*** for 90 mins isn't helping our cause You are spot on mickyflash. It is human nature and I would think that most referees would subconsciously give some 50/50 decisions against the side who's fans are constantly calling him a c**t. It doesn't matter how professional they are, subconsciously they would favour one side over another. |
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Post by merse on Feb 27, 2009 20:26:52 GMT
Firstly I was never an Official referee, I have never aspired to be one either, and maybe as you point out it is just as well! I have done some reffing after running a team at the very lower end of the footballing ladder and I can tell you I Know plenty of official referee's who have their favorites at this level so please dont tell me it doesn't happen. It does! Next you will tell me they all show up sober as well! Secondly My point was that subconsciously it is human nature for the referee to side with one team or the other, and calling him a C*** for 90 mins isn't helping our cause You are spot on mickyflash. It is human nature and I would think that most referees would subconsciously give some 50/50 decisions against the side who's fans are constantly calling him a c**t. It doesn't matter how professional they are, subconsciously they would favour one side over another. I think I'll just let you and JimD show how patently unfit and lacking in mental toughness you would BOTH be to be referees at any decent level. Your postings just serve to underline how, when it comes to commenting on referees and linos; you haven't the beginnings of understanding the difference between professional football and the stuff you play for fun. You haven't the vaguest idea of just how much hard work referees who even "just" reach BSP level have to put in firstly to get there and secondly to maintain their places on the list. I'm not pretending their have not been some awful performances and I'm not making them out to be the very top level, but I cannot show anything but contempt towards those who mistakenly believe they could handle what these guys do and your comments prove that utterly. It's the same with those who believe they could do Paul Buckle's job better than he could or play to a higher standard than Roscoe Dsane, Wayne Carlisle; or whoever else comes in for terrace and website criticism week after week.......................dream on boys, dream on!  |
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Post by jimd on Feb 27, 2009 21:54:41 GMT
So I would be no good as a ref......you think I dont know that???
Personally I dont think you would either.....you definately dont have the needed man management skills.
But I know how people work merse and refs are just people, not the demi gods you would have them be.
I have never reffed, never played, never managed....I am just a fan of a football club, and when I want to, not that I do very often, I will critisise the players, the manager, the officials etc.....its what footy fans do and have always done and always will. Its part of the fun.
So chill out, cheer and clap when times are good, whinge and moan when they aint so good........its all a laugh, entertainment, a bit of fun, an escape from the real world every now and again.
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Post by Dave on Feb 27, 2009 22:40:52 GMT
Well I will have to be careful here as I don't want it looking that the staff gang up on any member who haves a go at one of the boys.
I care not how well trained any ref or linesman is, or even at what level they play, or even if they go to church or not, there will be times when they may well allow their personal feelings to effect a decision they make.
It has been said they are only human and they are, having such abuse during a game, has to have some effect on them and they may just not give the odd decision that they would have.
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Post by stuartB on Feb 27, 2009 22:52:25 GMT
A unique situation happened with a ref this week at Merthyr having to be restrained from hitting the manager at half time. Merthyr went on to beat Evesham 1-0.
I was a basketball ref from 21 for nearly 20 years. The abuse was significant but you learn to develop a rhino skin. If you hear the abuse, you aren't concentrating on what you are doing.
I've been in some pretty pressured games, including home internationals but I'm sure I would have been affected by people constantly abusing me. This sort of pressure backfires, as it makes the ref more likely to go against you.
It's the same as the idiots who abuse Carlisle and Dsane in the firt minute. what do they want to achieve? It will not motivate them but hasten a poor performance.
Encourage players and officials whenever you can but abuse serves no benefit.
I do shout at the ref and players but not pure abuse. I try to make my comments humourous but not always successful. Just ask chelston or Jon ;D
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Post by merse on Feb 28, 2009 7:48:30 GMT
I was a basketball ref from 21 for nearly 20 years. The abuse was significant but you learn to develop a rhino skin. If you hear the abuse, you aren't concentrating on what you are doing.I've been in some pretty pressured games, including home internationals but I'm sure I would have been affected by people constantly abusing me. This sort of pressure backfires, as it makes the ref more likely to go against you. My respect to you for the first statement,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you have more qualification to comment than most then Stuart. Blanking out the outside is a key to success whether playing or officiating in any sport. Apparently now we have an idiot at Plainmoor who takes it upon himself to aim non stop abuse at Paul Durkin whenever he spots him in the Plainmoor stands carrying out refereeing assessments on behalf of the F.A. Part of those assessments, by the way; would probably make reference to crowd abuse and how it did or didn't affect the performance of the officials.....................I would imagine Paul has quite a lot to write on that subject whenever he comes to Plainmoor then! Well Jim, I DID referee for a few seasons up until I left Devon and thoroughly enjoyed it. Although I didn't begin until my mid twenties which was far too late to reach the top, I still managed to get from Class 3 to Class 1 in three years, get onto the Western League panel and the Football Association Appointments list for inter county games, an F.A Cup game (just the one!) national schools competitions, refereed in Germany (youth football) and the Channel Islands, fourth official duties at Plainmoor (yes, I couldn't quite work that one out either, but that's how it was then) Manchester City in the League Cup and Aldershot in the league stick in the mind for particular reasons and handled pre-season and training games for Aston Villa, Newport County and Torquay United. What I learned was that even in the most "reduced" of circumstances (ex first division players in the Western League for instance, and even training games); some pro players and managers can't but help trying to put enormous pressure on the ref, but I never came across anything so distracting as trying to concentrate on a game down in the South Hams where a young lady took it upon herself to part her legs whilst sitting on a swing behind the goal and periodically "adjust the gusset on her knickers" - usually when we in the vicinity for corners! Talk about the "secret smile"  Or having to have the contents of a pasty removed from down the inside of my shirt when an irate Liskeard supporter rammed one down my neck from behind when running the line in front of the main stand at Lux Park one afternoon.................my it was hot and the funniest place I've ever found a piece of carrot  I've been asked to witness and "sign off" gate receipts in the dressing room at half time and sent three times in ten minutes from officials room to dressing room in a vain attempt to persuade a particular team manager to come and "have a chat" in the ref's room following a series of contentious incidents in a match (I think it was requested to add to the particular referee's entertainment of the occasion) and most ridiculously of all I was once "abandoned" at Exmouth by a referee I had upset with a linesman's performance one night leaving me to seek a lift home from one of the visiting players! |
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Post by steve2009 on Feb 28, 2009 8:06:50 GMT
good morning
have just read the comments left, may i thank you all for raising the issues you are concerned with, may i start by answering the main issue here,
officially any swear word used at or about any player or official can result in expulsion from the ground, however, the issue here is not the occasional heated moment outburst, it is about as Dave has said the use of the word c***. which a lot of the comments on here are in agreement with, it should not be being sung.
however as one of the 2 supervisors that work the pop side, can i take this opportunity to say, i am attempting to work alongside you all and get your feedback on issues that you feel i can do something about. i don't think that any of you have had this happen before, where you have a steward on the forum trying to resolve issues, therefore as Dave has stated change will not happen overnight but we will be employing a tougher stance on the use of the c word.
off to my course now take care
Steve 004
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Post by chelstongull on Feb 28, 2009 9:06:30 GMT
I do shout at the ref and players but not pure abuse. I try to make my comments humourous but not always successful. Just ask chelston or Jon ;D Can't argue with that Stu, Welsh based humour at its best. I run the line most Sundays to help out the manager and to try and get this 'new fangled' offside rule correct is difficult - you have to have one eye on the guy with the ball, one eye on the defensive line and one eye of any player behind that. I only raise my flag when I'm sure he's offside - if only the poltroon on Tuesday had done that!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2009 9:38:47 GMT
I do shout at the ref and players but not pure abuse. I try to make my comments humourous but not always successful. Just ask chelston or Jon ;D Can't argue with that Stu, Welsh based humour at its best. And, from your collective neck of the Popular Side, did I hear Iyseden Christie referred to as "Agatha"on Tuesday night? The Western Morning News has twice described Iyseden Christie as "Welsh". Hmmm, not sure about that. Nor am I sure about the origins of his forename. Searching Google for Iysedens doesn't reveal too much more than the man himself (right through to page 44 when I checked). Speaking of the WMN, I noticed this in their report of the Forest Green match: Still fuming with referee Steve Creighton's decision, the 'Pop Side' showed their disgust by replacing the normal cries of 'Ole' with that of 'handball' every time a visiting player dared to touch the ball. I've not noticed too many cries of "Ole" at our end of the Popular Side recently. I must be standing in the wrong place. Is it more of a halfway line thing? |
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Post by merse on Feb 28, 2009 9:42:01 GMT
- you have to have one eye on the guy with the ball, one eye on the defensive line and one eye of any player behind that. That's three eyes then, so how do you do that..................  ? A tip...................if you run backwards as play progresses down "your" touchline, it increases your peripheral vision; not to "Marty Feldman" proportions admittedly but significantly none the less. Practice running backwards in training (you DO train presumably? ;D) until you are proficient at it and up to speed with your forward momentum. Trying this for a first time in public will render you to allegations of lunacy and attempting it for the first time in a match situation will almost certainly see you going arse over tit to all round derision!  |
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Post by chelstongull on Feb 28, 2009 9:53:26 GMT
Cheers Merse, although with the state of some of the touchline areas I have enough trouble running forwards.
Training - normally beer followed by a glass of wine on the Saturday night.
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Post by jimd on Feb 28, 2009 13:22:01 GMT
Merse
I know you were a ref mate, so was that bloke at Plainmoor on Tuesday night, apparently.
He gets to ref at BSP levels....doesnt make him any good though!
Although I am sure you were great at it. ;D
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Post by Dave on Feb 28, 2009 14:08:43 GMT
Merse I know you were a ref mate, so was that bloke at Plainmoor on Tuesday night, apparently. He gets to ref at BSP levels....doesnt make him any good though! Although I am sure you were great at it. ;D Are you sure about that Jim? I say that for two very good reasons, One, I understand that Merse did OK in his written work in the classroom, but struggled on the pages that had images on them, they made the pages appear beyond his normal viewing angles, mind you he was the only one in the classroom who had this problem. Two I understand the accessors had real problems being able to give proper and correct views on Merse's performance out on the pitch. This was due to the problem most fans have when watching a game, the lack of a high viewing platform. So while from the ground level he may have looked like he knew what he was doing and even appeared to be getting all the decisions correct, the accessor was not really sure and just passed him anyway as he had heard he could be rude and out spoken and the accessor was only five foot four inches and thought he enjoyed living far too much. ;D |
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Post by merse on Feb 28, 2009 14:28:40 GMT
...............................he may have looked like he knew what he was doing and even appeared to be getting all the decisions correct, the accessor was not really sure and just passed him anyway as he had heard he could be rude and out spoken and the accessor was only five foot four inches and thought he enjoyed living far too much. ;D When I first came to live in London I took up playing again and pulled a dirty trick on a young ref who was obviously conscienciously trying to do everything correctly and by the book which to be quite frank was a bit of a pain in the arse for an arthritic old lag like me. I sidled up to him and said "don't you recognise me ref?"'no' he replied, 'should I?' "Well I was sent by the London FA to assess you, but as this team is my old club and I'm still signed on I'm playing today as they're short of players"'You're joking' he said "No, honest; I'll show you the paperwork afterwards"I was going to buy him a pint afterwards but he jumped in his car and drove straight off |
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Or having to have the contents of a pasty removed from down the inside of my shirt when an irate Liskeard supporter rammed one down my neck from behind when running the line in front of the main stand at Lux Park one afternoon.................my it was hot and the funniest place I've ever found a piece of carrot 