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Post by merse on Feb 3, 2009 20:40:38 GMT
Merse Dave Shaw was only talking about snow and in the case Of London it would seem we can't cope with it when it comes, but no one has lost their lives because of the snow yet(I have not heard of any) but you used something that caused the death of many thousands of people and I still feel it was the wrong choice of tragic event to use to try and make your point. One thing I do not like is what I call sick jokes, while your remarks do not fall into the category, they still are in my view in bad taste. As you say, I did not joke about a tragedy.............I used it as an analogy to illustrate the lunacy of Dave Shaw's statement and I used that subject because he lives in Thailand. OK, you find that poor taste, I'm sorry for that but I do not; and it's obvious that our tastes differ. My point on the Weymouth incompetence is really about professionalism. Yesterday I used professionalism to fulfill a pre-booked commitment by leaving home earlier than I would have under "normal" circumstances and using a suitable route to ensure I was in place and on time to fulfill that obligation. Then I made a personal decision to withdraw my availability for further commitments by finishing work and going home. That is professionalism, in my opinion Weymouth Football club have fallen well short of professionalism today. If I had fallen to the same low standards as them, I would have ended up turning up late (or not at all) for my clients who would have missed their train to Paris because I failed to take the extreme weather conditions into the bargain. Those standards are why my company attain and retain so many high profile and prestigious accounts, it's why they charge a little bit more for the service and it's why they insist on those same high standards from people like me who are contracted to provide those high standards.
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Post by ospelgull on Feb 3, 2009 20:46:04 GMT
ospelgull its snow just like you get over there and the same as I have seen on pictures Rolf has sent me, the only difference is its more dangerous here, as we drive up and down hills on it. ;D That means the powers that be cannot control the situation? I've heard a story from a Dutch Blades supporter. He just told me that Sheffield United were to travel by plane to Southampton yesterday. Flight cancelled so they arranged to travel by bus today. Also a long trip but it's mainly motorways.
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Post by Dave on Feb 3, 2009 20:52:30 GMT
I agree that Weymouth are showing a lack of professionalism at this time, but as I said it is not the fault of the club or its fans as such, more the person who got his hands on the club and for all the wrong reasons. This is the same as what happen with Roberts and our club at that time was also guilty of a lack of professionalism.
I plan my work everyday and consider I'm a professional. yet the weather in North Devon was not expected and was worse than any predictions given. So I ended up stuck in Holsworthy and was then so far behind the times my customers expect to see me. I still did all the calls and worked for three hours for nothing, as I won't let the customers down and know full well that my boss won't give me a penny for working longer than he pays me.
Yes that is my fault really, but I pride myself on completing what I set out to do each day and that is far more inportant to me.
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Post by Jon on Feb 3, 2009 23:20:41 GMT
The damage Roberts has done is being undone by one person Hardly fair on the consortium, that analysis. Agree with Rob on that one. I'm not even sure who Aussie reckons the "one person" is. If I had to give just one gold star it would be to Paul Bristow - but there is absolutely no way he could have achieved what has happened at Plainmoor on his own. Baker, Rowe, Boyce, Boyce, etc. have been integral to the turnaround. If it's Colin Lee getting alll the credit, I disagree. He's doing the job he is paid for and I am not rabidly "pro" or "anti". He has played a part in our revival, but our revival is not down to him.
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Post by Dave on Feb 3, 2009 23:24:54 GMT
I think aussie has just not made his point as well as he meant too, I believe he was only defending Colin Lee and making the point that Lee wants what we all want as fans, aussie will tell you, he's not the best at making his points.
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Post by jerry on Feb 4, 2009 12:22:09 GMT
In todays Herald the boss of the coach company says:
"I was quite happy to take them down there. But I wasn't too sure I would be able to get them back"
So why couldn't they have come down and stayed overnight in the Bay?
I know they are short of money but that's not our fault and no reason for a game to be called off!
I remember a few years back Middlesbrough pulled out of a game against Blackburn because of illness in the squad.
Thay were deducted points (which eventually sent them down!), surely there is a case for this here? And some form of financial compensation wouldn't go amiss either!
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Post by chrish on Feb 4, 2009 15:38:09 GMT
I think that if there's any doubt , due to adverse weather conditions, that either the safety of the football or their supporters might be compromised then the match should be called off until when its fit to play it. I don't care if its 11,000 Cardiff supporters or 30 Weymouth fans. People's safety is paramount. Its all very well saying that they could've slept over but then again that plane in Munich didn't have to try and take off several times with the Man United team onboard and did the Fiat aircraft with the whole Torino team really need to fly into a thunderstorm in 1949 before clipping the Basilica on Superga hill.
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Post by Dave on Feb 4, 2009 17:18:28 GMT
I will not pretend I know the history of Weymouth football club, but I do know somethings about it, I know that it is a small seaside town football club, not unlike TUFC, only we have been a league club for most of our history.
I know that over the years Weymouth has had many people who have given their free time to help keep the club running, much like at TUFC we have had so many who have done the same and given so much support for the club.
Weymouth has never been a bad club, never been some rotten apple and its fans are fans just like we are, only now at this time, they find that they are not so lucky as we are. Their problems have not come about because they really have done something so very bad, they have come about because of who has taken over the club in the last few years.
The one before a holiday camp owner may well have been a fan and one who really wanted to take the club forward. He payed out large wages to get the right players in, but it all hinged on the ground being sold to a supermarket giant. That fell through and he was not able to keep funding the large bills he had created and as we know all high earners were moved out of the club.
The current owner, is not a fan I fear and one who wanted the ground to sell for industrial units, he did promise the club would get a new ground in its place, but that has not happened and in very unlikely to happen now anyway. As Barton has posted it looks like a deal to get new owners has fallen through and once again the fans fear, the club they love, may soon be no more.
Reading the Herald Express, its clear that Weymouth were going to come and play the match, the coach company did not want to bring the team here as it feared it would not be safe to make the return journey. It seems Weymouth tried to find another coach company, but only got the same answer and that was a bit NO.
So some feel that Weymouth should have come down the day before? or stayed in some hotel after the game? sadly the players have been told that their is no money to pay the wages for January, so please can someone tell me, where the money for any hotel was going to come from. Weymouth Town need to keep hold of every penny it has just now, if those who do love the club, but do not have the money needed to take it over, can come up with some sort of rescue package, then it will be helped by no further increases in debt levels.
On the safely issue I have just this to say, how would anyone feel if just one person got killed traveling home from the game. I bet you if that had happened and the crowd had been less than 1500, as I expect it would have been, there would have been plenty of people then saying the game should not have gone ahead.
The game is on next Tuesday night as long as Weymouth are still alive as a club, nothing in real terms has been lost by not playing the game last night, lets all spare a thought for the Weymouth fans and those who have given so much to Weymouth Town and hope that some how the club can be saved, because two years ago, this really could have been us and not them.
Unlike Weymouth we had people who loved TUFC, but had the money to put in and turn things around, all I'm saying is please don't be hard on Weymouth the club, only those who had got control for all the wrong reasons.
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Post by aussie on Feb 4, 2009 18:04:10 GMT
Cheers Dave R, I was indeed doing just that, only wish I could express my self on a keyboard properly!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 6:34:41 GMT
It's worth remembering all roads to and from Weymouth cross high ground and there's nothing quite of the standard of the A380 to get you over the downs. I shall remind myself of these words before some other bugger does....
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Post by crispygull on Feb 9, 2009 10:57:55 GMT
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Post by Dave on Feb 9, 2009 18:08:19 GMT
I will once again defend Weymouth and for one very good reason and this is that the traveling conditions were going to deteriorate as the night went on, while on Friday they were always going to improve. Barton Downs made it up north on Friday and also watch a game, Exeter also had to go in the end and to Grimsby and their game also went ahead. I would expect that the Barrow pitch would have been playable on the Saturday afternoon and the fact is that the team could have left after lunchtime and got to Barrow with no real problems, after all Exeter went by coach. The thing is Merse wants to congratulate the early decision made to call off the Barrow game and If Weymouth had done that the day before and not on the match day, then would that been OK then? At the end of the day if the coach company who take the Weymouth team to its games, had not told them they would not rick the drive back to Weymouth after the match, then they would have come and the game would have gone ahead. Should they have been made to come on the Tuesday night? should they have been made to stay in a hotel, even when they can't afford it? well it the answer is yes, then you have to ask if TUFC should have been made to leave when Telegraph Hill was reopened after the lunch time on Friday. You can get killed on the road outside your own home, how far you have to travel means nothing really, the road conditions do and the distance between Weymouth and Torquay do not really come into the equation.
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Post by merse on Feb 9, 2009 19:42:32 GMT
I will once again defend Weymouth and for one very good reason and this is that the traveling conditions were going to deteriorate as the night went on, while on Friday they were always going to improve. Barton Downs made it up north on Friday and also watch a game, Exeter also had to go in the end and to Grimsby and their game also went ahead. I would expect that the Barrow pitch would have been playable on the Saturday afternoon The thing is Merse wants to congratulate the early decision made to call off the Barrow game and If Weymouth had done that the day before and not on the match day, then would that been OK then? Get it into your head that it is for the football authorities to call games off, not clubs...............especially travelling ones! Plainmoor WAS fit, therefore it follows that the visitors should have been there as travelling conditions TO the game were not prohibitive. Barrow's pitch was considered UNFIT on the Friday morning and the weather forecast gave no indication of it being able to recover, therefore the situation is totally different to (a) Plainmoor and (b) Grimsby where the pitches were (again I repeat myself) fit. You really seem unable to take the simple facts of the three different situations on board Dave in your enthusiasm to champion the cause of dead beat Weymouth FC who are patently unfit to carry on as a professional football club and who, incidentally; were unable to present their prospective buyers with any meaningful documentation or financial detail for their three days of due diligence to be anything but a total waste of everybody's time and effort last week. If you compare the Exeter pleas with Weymouth's you will find more parity...................as both clubs were due to travel to perfectly playable pitches. Weymouth were allowed to play "the old soldier" whilst Exeter were told in no uncertain terms to act professionally!
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Post by Dave on Feb 9, 2009 19:55:56 GMT
You really need to get your facts correct merse, it will save you looking a fool. You said
Barrow's pitch was considered UNFIT on the Friday morning and the weather forecast gave no indication of it being able to recover, therefore the situation is totally different to (a) Plainmoor and (b) Grimsby where the pitches were (again I repeat myself) fit.
Yet it clearly states in the article that cripsygull put the link up for.
On top of that, the Grimsby pitch faced an early-morning inspection on Saturday due to a heavy frost and sub-zero temperatures. The initial one at around 8am on Saturday saw the pitch deemed unplayable, but the sterling efforts of the Grimsby groundstaff ensured it passed a second look at around 11.30am.
Bucks also made this statement
All day Friday, games were falling victim to the weather, and after his Torquay United side saw their match at Barrow called off, manager Paul Buckle hit the nail on the head by stating that player safety was paramount. Not to mention managers, coaches, directors, referees, linesmen and journalists, even! And, of course, the fans.
It was deemed unsafe to be on the roads here late on Tuesday night, can't you get it into your head that the safety of players,managers and fans need to be considered and believe me, their safety is more important than a game being delayed by just one week.
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Post by merse on Feb 9, 2009 19:57:42 GMT
.....................and another thing: if it wasn't for the fact we are still waiting for those poufters from Weymouth to consider turning up tomorrow, we could have been getting on with our fixture back log by playing at Barrow tomorrow night!
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