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Post by plainmoorpete on Jul 28, 2020 9:19:42 GMT
I wonder how reduced capacity is going to work out. Plainmoor has a capacity of 6500 and last season saw an average crowd of 2609 which is 40% of full capacity. However if restricted attendance is going to be enforced I would imagine the authorities would prefer only seated areas to be used in which case last season's average crowd was equivalent to 88% of our seated capacity. Over on BTPIR someone speculated that only half our crowd is made up of season ticket holders, in which case they would roughly be equivalent to 44% of our seated capacity. If we are restricted to using seating only, and that capacity will be reduced to facilitate social distancing, then attendance is going to be for season ticket holders only. The long-term damage is going to be where 'walk-ups', who make up half our attendance, get out of the habit of attending matches and that is going to seriously impact the club's future.
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Post by rjdgull on Jul 28, 2020 12:46:01 GMT
Looking at the guidance, the reduced capacity is there so that people can be spaced out so all sides will be used but harder to enforce social distancing in standing areas of course. I would speculate that the proportion of STHs is lower, maybe between a quarter and a third of typical attendances last season. However, if you want guaranteed access to the ground then a season ticket is the way to go. Depends on how reduced the reduced capacity will be and also how many fans will actually turn up - non league survey suggests around 77% will return immediately in October - link
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Post by petef on Jul 28, 2020 13:45:45 GMT
The late start is disappointing but not entirely unexpected. We do at least have the capacity though I'm unsure how the limited spaces will be allocated and who will get preference before the limit on numbers is reached. Some careful planning is needed to make it work for all parties though I would imagine those who purchase season tickets will automatically get there seat or standing place unless sales go over the new ground capacity. Could be a bumper year for season ticket sales if that's the case. GJ may well have to delay the start of training proper with another month or so to wait. I see no problem with segregating reduced numbers on the terraces. A simple system needs be designed and used as a guide line for all clubs to use and to be approved before a ball is kicked. We don't need any ambiguous grey areas and fans will have to abide and understand the rules - something traditionally football fans are particularly bad at. Clubs with small capacity will suffer the most I fear as far as generating income from match days. Not sure how some will survive this and you can be sure the furlough scheme will be ended soon. Thankfully for us, and for all of the stick the owners have had to endure, the manager is being backed to the hilt despite all of the uncertainty. Now who would have thought that?
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Post by rjdgull on Jul 29, 2020 13:23:18 GMT
Johnson talks about the first training session on this Saturday but that is 9 weeks before the first match. Surely too long for a pre-season - extra furlough for the existing players or a more gradual build up? link - Reaction from Johnson reported in Devon Live with him finding out about it from an email on Monday. Looks like 2 or 3 weeks of extra furlough for the players with the pre-season schedule having to be rethought and with the National League out of sync with the Football League then it will be very difficult for the Exeter Game to go ahead.
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Post by rjdgull on Jul 29, 2020 15:53:39 GMT
link - Johnson on the new season start date and looking forward to gearing everything up for pre season from mid August onwards.
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Post by stewart on Jul 29, 2020 20:38:25 GMT
Don't understand this at all. Why is the National League (and presumably also the Northern Premier, Southern and Isthmian Leagues) not starting until 3 October, and yet a twopenny-halfpenny league like the Peninsula League will be kicking off on 5 September?
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Post by rjdgull on Jul 29, 2020 21:46:53 GMT
Don't understand this at all. Why is the National League (and presumably also the Northern Premier, Southern and Isthmian Leagues) not starting until 3 October, and yet a twopenny-halfpenny league like the Peninsula League will be kicking off on 5 September? link - precisely because there is going to be hardly anyone there! Although I wonder if fans from other clubs will get their football fix at these smaller clubs initially and boost attendances?
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Post by swatcat on Jul 30, 2020 3:51:34 GMT
A quick 'Hello' - my first post here, from Thailand . . . .
Clubs and Supporters alike will be desperate for a start on Oct 3rd. If delayed again, the future for many Clubs at this level and above, will come into question.
PeteF posted, "Thankfully for us, and for all of the stick the owners have had to endure, the manager is being backed to the hilt despite all of the uncertainty. Now who would have thought that?" Indeed, maybe the Owners are 'in too deep' now to get out but let's hope they can stick with it as they may have their own problems.
Let's face it, the 'first' wave of CV-19 is having a lively ripple at the moment - if this gets worse, who knows how football's restart will be affected ? If Oct 3rd holds, the Club will plan carefully to keep the Crowd as safe as possible so let's hope Supporters can stick to that plan carefully.
I wonder if 'away' supporters will be allowed while CV-19 is around - fortunately we don't play Leicester, Blackburn and many of the other 'hotspots' but it might be easier for the Clubs, and safer, if it was home supporters only. ATB
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Post by rjdgull on Jul 30, 2020 7:58:27 GMT
Hello Swatcat and welcome to this forum.
You make some good points particularly about having no away supporters. If clubs are struggling to get all their home support in then it would be tempting to open the away end for home support, your loyal customers, as less segregation, lower security costs as well as potentially having a more Covid secure stadium and less spreading of this virus around the country. It all depends how these measures in practice reduce the ground capacity? - half, (3250), third (2167) or a quarter (1625). Our attendances last year ranged from 2005 to 4165 and averaged mid 2000s but likely to be lower this season, maybe 20 to 25% if the non league survey turns out to be accurate. Heck, possible that even all the home support won’t be able to get in and ticket allocations in excess of season tickets will be snapped up very quickly.
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Post by rjdgull on Jul 30, 2020 10:35:30 GMT
link - although this Torbay Weekly article is about CLE possibly returning at the end of the article it does suggest the clubs is envisaging between 2000 to 2500 supporters being able to come back in the stadium. Home Support only?
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Post by rjdgull on Jul 31, 2020 7:15:05 GMT
link / on the face of it Dover’s provisional figure of 861 or just 15% of capacity looks bad. This means no under 18 reduced tickets or the free under 11 and definitely no away fans. However, their seating capacity is just 1010 compared to 2950 at Plainmoor hence the speculation of us having around double their capacity. Thank goodness for Bristow’s Bench!
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Post by swatcat on Jul 31, 2020 9:57:50 GMT
RJD thanks for the welcome. Let's hope we all have plenty to chat about October onwards ! ATB
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 10:16:20 GMT
rjdgull With no away fans in the ground the Bristow's Bench experience might improve greatly, the most obvious aspect being that you could just walk out of the stadium (via 'Away' exit) once the game finishes. The interminable queuing and then a complete halt imposed while players eventually trundle off the field in dribs and drabs won't be a factor when we can turn Right rather than Left (good advice in other spheres of life also ) when leaving our Bristow's seats. As this isn't relevant until October, plenty of time to rig up some scaffolding and add another temporary tier to Bristows Bench, turning it into a double decker for the new season. No germs would survive at that height anyway, so distancing wouldn't be necessary and the capacity boosted considerably. Where there's a will there's a way, and a quick local example of the Brexit style entrepreneurial thinking that we need to start implementing as we free ourselves from EU red tape and endless delay.
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 1, 2020 7:49:26 GMT
RJD thanks for the welcome. Let's hope we all have plenty to chat about October onwards ! ATB With the postponement of the pilots of larger crowds in sport venues this weekend you do start to wonder about the start date but at least it is more realistic than early September now.
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 1, 2020 8:08:58 GMT
With no away fans in the ground the Bristow's Bench experience might improve greatly, the most obvious aspect being that you could just walk out of the stadium (via 'Away' exit) once the game finishes. The interminable queuing and then a complete halt imposed while players eventually trundle off the field in dribs and drabs won't be a factor when we can turn Right rather than Left (good advice in other spheres of life also ) when leaving our Bristow's seats. . The Bench won’t be so densely packed but think we need to use all available exits including the away end and the old Marnham Road entrance. Likely to leave in a managed way as well, a block or section at a time but you are right, less people and more exits means you will be back home and typing your match report before you know it! 😀
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