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Post by Rob on Nov 5, 2020 6:21:26 GMT
Just got up to see the election is unexpectedly incredibly close and may take days for a definitive result to work through. Unexpectedly...you thought Trump was going to win easily as well did you? 😁 Don’t be daft. Maddest thing of the lot, though...... ....He could still actually win with the remaining States yet to be called. Yet we are treated to this premeditated sham signposted for months. Now winning in Georgia and vote count not yet complete. Law suit already filed. Arizona late counts, Trump closing in. No law suit yet despite the pervert Giuliani hinting at it earlier. Lost in Wisconsin. Law suit to be filed as with Michigan? For all the joshing and messing, and when taking also into account all the salient points raised by swatcat regarding postal voting generally and postal voting in a pandemic where over a quarter of a million of the nation has died, ever present late counts in presidential elections since forever and the electoral college timelines, Trump really is excruciatingly excelling himself on the dangerous idiot front. Certain of his heavily armed supporters have descended on Phoenix’s count tonight creating a public order stand off with law enforcement. As I watch on TV the building is now being forced on police advice to temporarily shut down. This outside a polling station in a liberal democracy that’s had 4 years of Trump and 244 years of Independence. Trump is closing in on Biden in Arizona and the MAGA mob there with their assault rifles were reportedly shouting at one point ‘count those votes’ singing YMCA and then trying to forcibly get in. Fcking idiots. But then their hero is King of the Idiots. Trump through his lawyers specifically demanding they stop votes from Democrat stronghold counties in Pennsylvania, specifically around Philadelphia, and similarly Democrat strongholds outside of Atlanta, Georgia, while complaining about the completed counting of votes from another Democrat stronghold of Detroit, Michigan and Milwaukee, Wisconsin prior and so on and so on. It’s disgusting. As an aside, what do you reckon the population ethnicity is in those strongly Democrat areas. Take a look. Don’t bother if you support this divisive fool as your mind, or voice, at least, will be already satisfied that is irrelevant. Irregardless, that they are consistently heavily voting Democrat areas comes with irrefutible evidence attached. Why anyone of intelligence over here would give much credence to this charlatan’s current bleating is presently beyond me. There may be more to come, but swallowing his narrative presently in full. Do me a favour. Talk about a pre-election court consideration is no sufficient distraction from this current narrative fuelled by Trump's own mouth (whether it be Fake News Stamp endorsed or not) and Twitter account over the last 24 hours. As his route to 270 has narrowed down to Pennsylvania, it’s those Philadelphia votes he and his fellow sex case lawyer focuses on. If he has other routes to 270, they will shout louder about other Counties. He needs all remaining States in play, so keep the heat on with all of these. Arizona wasn't this close to finalising it's count at this time in 2016. If it goes to Trump, no issue, save that either candidate seeking recount if less than 1% loss. Goes to Biden, writ issued, no doubt. And so on. And so on. You just know Trump’s advisors will have told him to shut up for a day or two, including his son (who appeared in AJ’s Trump propaganda party piece linked to) and Randy Rudy, so as to not appear a premeditated stunt. And he wasn’t able to. Let’s hope the resulting fudge (see below) in the event of the remaining counts ending in a Biden win - again not clear that will be so - does not deliver the orange cretin back to the White House as you have to fear for that country and its democracy after this narcissist’s loose behaviour. The principal remaining fudging possibility of him trying again to get his nominee into the Supreme Court post Presidential voting - too electorally risky prior - to further undermine the nation’s democracy isn’t totally out of bounds with this man who considers himself above the Constitution and all who came before him. You can’t rule anything out with this stable genius. Nothing at all. Can an ego maniac populist ever take their leave and go quietly and peacefully? He’s already shown he can’t and will continue on this path for a while yet. Desparate desparate man. Anyway, on a lighter theme, though, what news of our impartial political commentator and hero of the day, Reverend Anthony? Yeah, he’s not finished his own Twitter meltdown yet either. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 9:42:48 GMT
Oh Dear Lord, Sweet Jesus and Reverend Anthony (whoever he might be), rain down Fire and Brimstone on these Biden followers, may the fleas of a thousand Camels descend upon them and seven generations of their children...right, that’s enough of that nonsense! I do like watching those evangelical clips that predict the End Of The World every five minutes, and when it never happens, they blame something called the Raptures...what the hell is that?
Sadly, Biden is weak...very weak! Putin is strong, Xi Jinping is strong and even Kim Jong-Un is stronger than Biden!
Biden will be led by the nose by the money people, and guess what the money people want...yep, more money! I would imagine that sometime next year, Iran will be shaking its Willy again, and this time there is no strong Trump to ignore it, but a weak Biden...figure the rest out for yourself.
So endeth the sermon by the Rev Reg.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 12:02:53 GMT
Stewart  And that's why you and Rob only need a matter of seconds to airily wave away each and every objection, and to so easily conclude it amounts to 'no evidence' and is 'baseless'. In Pennsylvania, the female speaking in the video I posted last evening, telling of official Election Observers kept back so far that they even tried using binoculars in a vain attempt to see just what might be going on. The guy after her saying that they were kept back in excess of 100 feet and couldn't see what was happening. And worse in Detroit. It's a still from the video. There is no way that a National Correspondent for Fox News can post that, claiming it's Detroit's absentee ballot counting centre, and not get called out on it if he's not being truthful. The people in the video will know where they were, people will recognise the interior of the building, and of the 6.8 million who have already viewed it, if it's not where it's claimed to be, then the whole thing falls apart. All fake and without foundation ?, maybe the electric lights were a bit too bright, or the flash from cameras had caused an epileptic fit to a vote counter ? Nothing to see here ... (definitely nothing once those screens were up) move along, all just perfectly normal procedure, what's everyone getting het up about, why would 6.8 million have decided it was worth seeing a few windows getting obscured .... why aren't they talking about stolen strawberries instead, and ignoring the US Presidential Election being stolen from right under their noses. Looks like a clear case of baseless non evidence to me, those vote counters like a nice dark room where they can sort the ballots by torch light, that's quite understandable .... we don't want no baseless evidence free conspiracy theories here  |
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Post by Rob on Nov 5, 2020 12:19:37 GMT
There we have it. Nailed on proof via second set of pictures of those windows being blocked out. Didn’t happen for the gun toting mob outside Phoenix last night when they had to evacuate. Terrible double standards. Say fraud enough and it must all be true.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2020 12:32:52 GMT
swatcat Exactly this, and it's the more elderly citizens who are particularly vulnerable to Covid. We should be celebrating the fact that the elderly, including the extremely elderly, still take an interest in politics and are keen to cast their vote to help decide the next President. Let's hope they're all still around and feeling healthy enough to participate in 2024 as well .... although somehow I feel President Sleepy Joe* may decide running for a second term is something he'd rather give a miss. * subject to successful election rigging.   |
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Post by Rob on Nov 5, 2020 15:26:01 GMT
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/us-election-results-biden-trump-live-b1611626.htmlAny who played the video of that boarding up in Detroit who heard the mob outside will not be surprised by some of the content of this article. The counter armed mob in Arizona shouting ‘count those votes’ and ironically temporarily shutting down that facility for public safety fears also referenced here. Absolutely postal votes are a necessary feature in this pandemic and good to see that although Trump has a massive problem with even legitimate ones now being counted (Fake news stamp or not) - Nevada (you saw it here first ) now challenged as not going his way - our TFF alt-right attaché is slowly coming around to postal voting being more necessary than ever. The only problem States are the ones he needs to win. Yeah, ok. AJ’s sold on it, though, with nailed on proof of voter fraud where mobs assemble outside polling stations creating public disorder shouting either count those votes or don’t count those votes now firmly established. Getting rid of the retweet source to avoid some of the dreadful treatment Reverend Anthony has had on here over the last 24 hours is a welcome development now. Fecking tw@tter and it’s random alt-right tweeters actually highlighting how an established postal voting system does manage to weed out criminal behaviour being discredited is abhorrent and far more concerning than armed mob rule outside polling stations in any democracy. What sane person could deny that.
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Post by Rob on Nov 5, 2020 18:48:12 GMT
Good film. Apt scene.
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Post by Rob on Nov 5, 2020 21:34:23 GMT
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Post by stewart on Nov 5, 2020 21:58:07 GMT
The latest news is that a group of Trump supporters have again turned up at the counting centre in Phoenix Arizona in an attempt to disrupt proceedings. I suppose that we shouldn't be surprised about this. Every time I have seen any of them interviewed on TV, they have exhibited the same degree of arrogance and ignorance as their leader.
I'm waiting with great interest to find out what the proof about voter fraud actually is!
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Post by Rob on Nov 5, 2020 22:31:30 GMT
The latest news is that a group of Trump supporters have again turned up at the counting centre in Phoenix Arizona in an attempt to disrupt proceedings. I suppose that we shouldn't be surprised about this. Every time I have seen any of them interviewed on TV, they have exhibited the same degree of arrogance and ignorance as their leader. Not again? Half of them had either hand guns or assault rifles on show last night. They wanted them counted there as Biden lead was decreasing on late count, such is their flip flop for the fraudulent fraud legal challenge narrative. ‘We’re not winning, it’s fraud. We’re closing gap, get ‘em counted’. We were. Take your guns home. They got it temporarily closed down trying to storm the place when the bloody count was happening the dangerous idiots. Rudy the Trouser Rummager, his lawyer, slamming a Judge as bent for refusing his sham first effort of a legal challenge before a vote count has concluded on national media. It’s horrible. It’s not right. I get they have a more politicised - and inferior for it, imo - legal system to our mother of democracy equivalent, but for heaven’s sake, it’s shocking to see that bile on the TV and him lining up shouty people or speaking over less shouty ones to say they weren’t able able to observe the count in Philadelphia from x feet away when they have been bloody live-streaming the counts for transparency and mobs gather outside in Detroit and elsewhere demanding a count to stop and public protection measures having to be taken. It’s madness. It’s a slightly more civilised way that you’d expect a despot incumbent’s ‘team’ to act in a far less advanced democracy. Late counts always happen. Postal votes always happen. A brief tweet saying Stop The Count is so dangerous in a liberal democracy and an affront to it’s nation’s voting public. He’s created this civil unrest and is revelling in it. Just get Fox to show an angry Biden supporter and an angry relative to shout fraud a lot. That’ll do it. We shouldn’t be particularly surprised, I suppose. Their splintered media coverage of anything seems shot to bits over there. I’ve done Fox and CNN in this as genuinely interested by it all unfolding. Fox is fairly abhorrent as a news vehicle generally by UK standards, but even CNN can’t help slipping in the odd blatantly obvious bias amongst more detailed coverage. Give me the good old impartial Beeb and Channel 4 and slanted left/right print media of all spectrums in the UK any day of the week. I digress. But his words, though. His tweets. They aren’t media. They are him. And they are as dangerous and divisive as the narcissist has always been. Just up a notch at a wretched time for his nation. They need to repair so much their politics, constitution and society when this terrible human being and his legacy finally slips off to Mar a Lago with Daddy’s money for good. |
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Post by stewart on Nov 6, 2020 0:07:21 GMT
I've just watched Trump's speech, as expected full of lies.
"A lot of workers counting the ballots are doing a lot of bad things". My sides were aching after hearing that, but then I realised what a disgusting remark it was, a sneering criticism of people who have given up their time in service of the American people.
He even said that there was corruption in the Georgia vote, even though that state has a republican senator and governor.
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Post by Rob on Nov 6, 2020 1:44:07 GMT
Georgia’s election count apparatus in Atlanta remaining Districts overseen by two nominated Republicans. Trump claims overseen by Democrats. Voting close in the State now with Trump 3k+ lead and falling at time of writing with 99% counted. City has population percentage of 54% black African American.
Should postal votes percentages reflect on site vote projections from the remaining Counties around Atlanta it should project Biden taking the lead on the back of predominantly Democrat Atlanta. On site non postal votes were 85% Biden in Clayton County about to be declared following count of postal votes. 5th most populated County in Georgia. 72.8 black African American population Democrat stronghold. Likely less than 1% overall lead for either candidate in the State, therefore in that instance recount can be asked by defeated candidate without any issue. Legal challenge already lodged by Trump before count finalised. Stop the Count urged.
Arizona where Trump has closed gap. “Count those votes” shout the armed mob in Phoenix. 42k and 31k just in of late votes, in favour of Trump in the County where the violence was last night and earlier. No legal challenge there.
Detroit, Michigan, largest percentage black population of any city in US. Stop the Count urged before count finalised. Legal challenge.
Philadelphia. Democrat stronghold and large black pro Democrat vote also. Court ordered Allegheny County, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania vote count not to start until tomorrow. All to be viewed. Normal process. Of 300,000 votes counted on site in that County, 80% Biden. Likely less than 1% overall lead for either candidate in the State, therefore in that instance recount can be asked by defeated candidate without any issue. Stop the Count in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Legal challenge to Pennsylvania before count finalised.
Trump can still win in all remaining outstanding States. Biden ahead by 4 million+ nationwide.
Democrat Party encouraged postal voting to its supporters ahead of elections owing to pandemic. Trump rallies packed people in close quarters after the death total had exceeded 200,000 of nation’s citizens. Trump mocked opponent for wearing ‘biggest mask I’ve ever seen’ during one of those rallies. Democrat postal voting traditionally higher in all remaining areas. Bucked only by Arizona late count where Biden lead shrinking.
Trump can still win in all remaining outstanding States. Biden ahead by 4 million+ nationwide. Trump has received more votes than he received in 2016. Biden has received more votes than any other candidate in presidential elections in the nations history. Large turnout for both parties.
In victory in 2016 he said Clinton received 6 million fraudulent votes to head the popular vote. He said he would set up a commission to look into it. Surely a job for Reverend Anthony. Nothing came of it. Zero supporting evidence.
Trump said he has done more for the black population of the US other than ‘perhaps’ Abraham Lincoln, who abolished slavery. He said Barack Obama was born outside of the USA and that he could prove it. He did not. Obama was born in Hawaii. Trump is a proven liar.
That’s a bunch of random facts. Should Reverend Anthony, Biden, Trump or AJ tweet it, It won’t be censured for fact check or given a fake news stamp on that platform.
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Post by Rob on Nov 6, 2020 1:47:53 GMT
"A lot of workers counting the ballots are doing a lot of bad things". My sides were aching after hearing that, but then I realised what a disgusting remark it was, a sneering criticism of people who have given up their time in service of the American people. It’s standard baseless sneering commentary of this incumbent President. It is sickening talk demonstrating self over country. Narcissism over civic responsibility/respect for the need for law and order in a situation he dogwhistled before the election and has fanned the flames of with every speech and tweet since it looked like he would lose that election. Stop the vote is what you would expect of a tyrant in an undeveloped democracy or dictatorship. Not the biggest liberal democracy in the Western World. He needs to go soon. Civl disorder will become hard to contain in some places irrespective of your views on his politics. The US will get over Trump and repair. But he needs to be gone for a while before that can start. It’s the story of populism by ego since time immemorial. To expect or hope it to be different with a divisive figure like him is whistling in the wind. |
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Post by stewart on Nov 6, 2020 3:24:57 GMT
"A lot of workers counting the ballots are doing a lot of bad things". My sides were aching after hearing that, but then I realised what a disgusting remark it was, a sneering criticism of people who have given up their time in service of the American people. It’s standard baseless sneering commentary of this incumbent President. It is sickening talk demonstrating self over country. Narcissism over civic responsibility/respect for the need for law and order in a situation he dogwhistled before the election and has fanned the flames of with every speech and tweet since it looked like he would lose that election. Stop the vote is what you would expect of a tyrant in an undeveloped democracy or dictatorship. Not the biggest liberal democracy in the Western World. He needs to go soon. Civl disorder will become hard to contain in some places irrespective of your views on his politics. The US will get over Trump and repair. But he needs to be gone for a while before that can start. It’s the story of populism by ego since time immemorial. To expect or hope it to be different with a divisive figure like him is whistling in the wind. Let's face it, from the very start the only way that Trump could win this election was by accusing others of cheating. Some people on here have said that Joe Biden is weak, but what could be weaker than that? Character matters in leaders, but Trump has none. Biden is a genuine and decent man, Trump is a self-centred liar and racist. When Register responds and says how strong and likeable Trump is, he should perhaps remember that the USA thrives because it has traditionally been a democracy, but Trump has attempted to destroy that ideal in one short and spiteful speech tonight. |
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Post by Rob on Nov 6, 2020 4:33:53 GMT
Philadelphia. Defeated in Pennsylvania overall Hillary Clinton polled more than 80% in that city in 2016. Same for Biden 2020 with count to come. Sex case Giuliani and Trump’s son press release video AJ informs TFF on. ‘Stop that Count’.
The next one she polled best in, Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) where 50,000 postals outstanding remain uncounted (Biden’s been 78% late count up to now, there) and Court has ordered for specific reasons there to count tomorrow referred to in previous post. 2020 ‘Stop that Count’.
Easy to forget remaining late counts in North Carolina. He’s ahead and staying so. “No fraud”. Can’t be there, can it..
2020 Trump encourages vote in person in pandemic. Democrat response requests up across the board after party urges its voters to postal vote as in other elections, but more so given pandemic. 100k plus coronavirus new case numbers in US on today’s date.
Subject to that 1% proviso which will be relevant and doesn’t need legal challenge or civil disorder fan flames bluster - Trump needs to concede this if Pennsylvania follows the Blue Wall with Wisconsin and Michigan. Senior Republicans must simply have to have that word with him at some point. And if, as is looking increasing likely Georgia (late mail in postal votes in Forsyth County just called as I write having Trump up on those) may go, Nevada and Arizona he doesn’t overturn Biden leads where late count postal votes for Trump also exceed Biden go Blue, also. That would merely compound this.
Do people spoil ballots, does human inaccuracy or criminals exist. Does turnout improve for two party nations when all to play for in a divided nation. Yes, of course, and it will be so forever more. Don’t bloody turn on your volunteer counters and ask for legitimate votes not to be counted in States where you are going to get that 1% recount request in any event, making legal challenges before they even have been. It looks like what your Presidency has been for its 4 years and your life has been for many more. Lie after lie after lie. No class. Me me.
He won’t go. Even after that word from senior Republicans. Not quietly. It’s about him for him. Not his country.
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And that's why you and Rob only need a matter of seconds to airily wave away each and every objection, and to so easily conclude it amounts to 'no evidence' and is 'baseless'. In Pennsylvania, the female speaking in the video I posted last evening, telling of official Election Observers kept back so far that they even tried using binoculars in a vain attempt to see just what might be going on. The guy after her saying that they were kept back in excess of 100 feet and couldn't see what was happening.