President Trump

I get the impression you feel you have scored a slam dunk, AJ. You haven't. Listen to what he says. Not what someone spinning and scurrying to defend his outrageous outpouring and victory claim comes up with on the internet a few hours later. What he said is a clear suggestion of wrongdoing or else why would he baselessly say he wants the Supreme Court to intervene. It is because, as he says, he has won. He hasn't. Additional fakery as is his wont. He should not be claiming victory when he hasn't. But he has. He will challenge where there is less than 1% between the candidates in a State. As will Biden. Expect that will happen in at least a couple of States left from projections. That process does not involve the Supreme Court and is built in.

All rational commentators fairly united in considering it so as was I seeing it live, albeit at an early hour and almost immune to his lies and nonsense by now. You are so wrapped up in your alt-right la-la land, AJ, and you seemingly can't escape from it. You are surely far too intelligent to fall for this last gasp populist guff and spin. Even Register's Daily Express rag are currently concluding same and referencing Trumps citing of the election being a major fraud on our nation, as they report it. There will no doubt be editing throughout the day, though. www.express.co.uk/news/world/1355893/Donald-Trump-speech-in-full-victory-speech-US-election-2020-results-latest-EVG

Now reading Trump may lose, whereas my money a few hours ago was on him winning. I have yet to see why the tide may have turned in the last couple of hours, but I'm sure AJ's Reverend Anthony will have also hold a view based on electoral fraud that both AJ and Trump have given and continue to give a nod to.. Oh I see you're back posting pictures of supposed postal votes. I like it, though. As do Trump supporters. Can't think why, eh!

Very disappointed you haven't made reference to the National Guard being called in to check votes in one state. I'm sure you or Reverend Anthony will get around to it.

Rob  



God is urging me to get the stamp out again, informing me that the above is yet more fake news piled upon previous fake news   .

But being charitable, I’m sure you’d accept that given Trump’s current lead in the possibly crucial state of Pennsylvania, the method by which it might be overturned is controversial to say the least.

Yes, obviously there is the clear suggestion of wrongdoing, or it wouldn’t have gone before the Supreme Court last week. And if the suggestion was indeed ‘baseless’ would they really have been split 4-4 when voting on it ?

Neither can I see that the challenge should be restricted to States where there is less than 1% between the candidates, but if it were so, surely all the more justification for the demand that voting be stopped now ? Of the 2.5 million postal votes issued in Pennsylvania, over a million had not been returned by Thursday of last week. Given that there could be a lot still outstanding, and the significance that may have will be dawning on voters who didn’t send them in by 8pm yesterday, doesn’t that underline why Trump demands that voting should be properly stopped ? Otherwise, given the numbers involved, votes that may have been accepted after the time frame that the Supreme may yet (among other things) be asked to rule on, could push the figure above the 1% margin that you refer to.

Let’s remember that 3 of the Supreme Court Justices wrote last week that there was "simply not enough time at this late date to decide the question before the election" but added that "does not mean that the state court decision must escape our review." And one of them concluded that ‘there is a strong likelihood that the State Supreme Court decision violates the Federal Constitution’. Quite why Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito doesn’t dismiss the complaints as ‘baseless’ as Rob was quickly able to do, remains unclear for the time being.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s decision to give itself powers to overrule the legislature based on “extraordinary jurisdiction” due to the coronavirus pandemic, which had the character of a “natural disaster ” sounds dodgy in the extreme to me, and quite possibly politically motivated. As State Supreme Justice Alito observed: "The provisions of the Federal Constitution conferring on state legislatures, not state courts, the authority to make rules governing federal elections would be meaningless if a state court could override the rules adopted by the legislature simply by claiming that a state constitutional provision gave the courts the authority to make whatever rules it thought appropriate for the conduct of a fair election."

Whatever the final outcome, the objections seem far from baseless to me, but there would be huge difficulties and ramifications in trying to sort this mess out after the event, even if Coney Barratt’s casting vote came into play. Maybe, at least to avoid Civil War, it would be better if President Sleepy Joe could win without the need to claim Pennsylvania, but Trump appears to have every justification in voicing his dissatisfaction with what’s gone on there, and to indicate he will press the Supreme Court to give a proper ruling on it, as they’ve indicated they could be willing to do.

I can sense the hurt in AJ’s last post on this thread and I do know he can get quite emotional at these times. Perhaps not as much as new forum favourite Reverend Anthony, I do hope.

I’ll catch up on the news later and not comment too much for now. Am guessing the Trump Twitter meltdown is now in full effect.

No surprise on the Wisconsin recount request by the way. Less than 1% between first and second even though first announced with a few more to count and perhaps jumping the gun rather as may be considered the way of a madman.

Regarding that 1% either way electoral process - You read it here first. 😉
But you can read it again here, if you completely missed the point earlier.

www.ft.com/content/0855ad19-307f-387d-96c2-e5acd9b3234a

“A candidate who trails the leading candidate can request a recount if he or she received within 1 per cent of the vote total—about 33,000 votes for the approximately 3.3m ballots cast in the presidential race in Wisconsin. Since the vote total difference between Biden and Trump equals 20,517, Trump is eligible to request the recount”.

Stewart

You're in the same position as Rob in seemingly knowing better than 4 US Supreme Court Justices, Stewart. Four were satisfied with the evidence put before them that the Pennsylvania election would not go ahead correctly if run according to the new decisions arrived at by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. If no evidence had been presented on what basis would those 4 justices have to object to the way Pennsylvania would be conducting their election ?

These 'baseless', and 'no evidence' claims defy logic. It's possible that if it does go back to the Supreme Court they might decide that the evidence isn't compelling, but to claim it doesn't exist at all, or is totally baseless is a massive misrepresentation of reality. 

This evening's Press Conference, which lists an entire litany of electoral offences claimed to have taken place in the polling stations of Pennsylvania. Yet without needing to take a look at video or other evidence accumulated, there are some over here on the other side of the Atlantic already in a position to proclaim that there is absolutely no evidence, and that the allegations are baseless.

So certain, so soon. No need to examine anything or even take a cursory look at it ....it can already be stated with certainty that everything is above board.









From a time when accusations that needed to be looked into for years before they could be established as false, to now being able to swat away any and every accusation in an instant, to confidently claim we can already tell from over here in Britain that everything is hunkydory and being done exactly by the book. What a remarkable change in approach  .

This particular fake news stamp hasn’t aged very well today given your later posts and Trump’s meltdown and legal challenges left right and centre, has it. Feel free to amend. In the unlikely event there will be a detritus ‘double down’, please try and recall if you would that the invite is there to concede nonetheless.

He’ll be keen to fire someone, anyone, as he continues his madness. Excellent film, too.