European Union: In or Out ?

Goodness...it's worse than I thought! 

Hurry up nurse...he is clearly delirious...and his memory has gone also...he has completely forgotten about 'Project Fear'...nurse! 

But I am sure you would defend their right to an opinion - even if it is one you disagree with.

Freedom of speech here means people can post what they want without having to to shake off any far right or far left political shackles.

No control freak site owner hurling personal abuse at people he believes to be too right-wing, too stupid, too clever, too young, too old, too social-media-obsessed, too social-media-unaware, too thin-skinned, too thick-skinned, too Devonian .....

You must be in a good mood Jon...I think you let Merse off very lightly! 

I hope Rob will forgive some of us, as even if we're still struggling to grasp the point he's making, it hasn't been for the want of trying. 





If you warn that something might happen, you really do need to reinforce the message when it actually does start to happen, and when the evidence is appearing at every turn. A prediction turning into emerging reality. To suggest instead, that that is the time to keep quiet and to gag yourself seems counterproductive. I set my stall out, on page 3 of this very thread, before (June 19th 2016) the Referendum, stating:


'I'm particularly relaxed about the Referendum outcome having witnessed other countries being required to vote numerous times until they got it 'right', and the way E.U technocrats have been parachuted in to head up countries that tried rebelling. I just can't see that, given their track record, they'd shake hands, say cheerio and let us go our own way. Just like the Bates Motel you can probably check out, but you can never leave.....'


Almost up to date (June 27th 2018)


'All the finest pro-E.U brains will have worked on the best approach to smashing Brexit. The option of declaring 'You voted the wrong way, so we're ignoring the result', however much they would have liked it, has had to make way for a more practical solution to neutering Brexit. The British Government and the E.U have probably agreed the pathway to a meaningless Brexit. It'll need to be gradually implemented though. We're currently at the 'Look at how rubbish Brexit would actually be' stage. Pro E.U Prime Minister, pro E.U Chancellor, Pro E.U State broadcaster,all helping to lay the groundwork. Camouflaged by a veil of fake incompetence to disguise their plan'


It's a rigidly consistent position. More or less saying that I have severe doubts that there is a peaceful means, such as via the ballot box, of being allowed to leave the E.U in any meaningful way. What's wrong with holding steadfast to your position as set out prior to the Referendum.....particularly when you see it being vindicated after the Referendum ?


If 'Leave' means obeying E.U rules, the EJC, a renamed or repackaged Customs Union, then maybe it's what 'Remain' meant that I didn't understand? But what possible point was there in all that fuss, expense, and division, when in the clear light of day the politicians are now revealing that all they actually let us do was decide between two near identical choices (or however different they let us believe they could be, they amounted to near identical outcomes whichever box you put your cross in). 

The contempt and moaning is aimed squarely at the devious and cunning politicians, exemplified by Remainer May. It is our public duty to moan long and loud as we witness the contempt with which the result of the referendum is being treated. What was the point of a ballot offering one outcome that the Establishment would always renege on? That they neither planned for or ever paid more than lip service to afterwards. The public will have learned a huge and important lesson from this fiasco. If they meekly accept it, quietly and without moaning, they are indicating their acquiescence to an even more dictatorial and authoritarian future.


'Shut up and accept you were duped' would just make it too easy for the Remainer Establishment that are riding roughshod over Democracy in league with their Brussels bureaucrat friends, as they turn our Referendum vote result into a farce. Whether an E.U Militant or a TUST Militant, or a combination of the two.... think twice before taking their advice to wave the white flag.

So who do we reckon will be leaving the Cabinet on a point of principle today? Although as we are still leaving the EU they may feel they don’t need to for reasons other than their own career ambitions.

Well, looks like a position has been agreed amongst the cabinet. Just the rest of Tory party, country and the EU to get on board!

No idea what this means yet but some form of compromise was always necessary to move forward in a pragmatic way.