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Post by register on Jul 26, 2012 13:51:57 GMT
Interesting article in the HE regarding Billy Bodin: "Torquay United's £70,000 close-season signing of forward Billy Bodin from Swindon Town was only made possible by a £50,000 gift - from a mystery Gulls fan" What happened to the £300,000 from the sale of the 'keeper (two installments etc I know) and £80,000 from the sale of the People's Champion? Seemingly, it was a gift of £50.000 from a woman...shit, why do I never meet women like that! ;D On a more serious note, the chairman reckons that if we hadn't got this "gift" we wouldn't have been able to buy Bodin! Which doesn't show much ambition from the club for the future if we have to rely on some punter to slip us a few grand to buy a player...especially after raking in nearly £400.000 from the sale of two players! So with the imminent sale of O'Kane, the club will have raked in well over half a million!
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Post by jj on Jul 26, 2012 18:50:12 GMT
None of the board can be "in it for the money" surely, they are the Board of TUFC because of the love of the club and ever thing it stands for. And if asked to they would surly dip their hand(s) into their pockets to support the cause,,,,, that's right isn't, please help me out that's right isn't it.Personal gain (like the ****** investment bankers in the City) does come into it right!!!!!.
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Post by rjdgull on Jul 26, 2012 18:59:19 GMT
I think the Bench and Training facilities are a significant factor in all this but hopefully some money will be recycled from Eunan's sale and not forgetting he was on top whack for the club and should be space now in the playing budget to get someone decent in.
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Post by stuartB on Jul 26, 2012 20:08:36 GMT
Surely we are not forgetting the money that Thea is owed for digging club out of a financial hole. Paul and Thea ploughed £700,000 into the club during our promotion year from the conference. this was turned into shares. the next year they ploughed another £600,000 into the club in the form of a loan to pay players wages and balance the books. the year after we broke even with players sales. I guess a chunk of this money has gone to repay Thea, which is only right. The balance has been partly used for Bodin, financing partly the Bench and the Training facility sorry guys, no conspiracy
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Post by JamesB on Jul 26, 2012 20:18:13 GMT
But surely that is a conspiracy, because this hasn't been confirmed by the club in public, and a conspiracy is something that is being done secretly in private
That's what I'm frustrated about - the uncertainty. If this is what the club is doing, they should come out and say and let the fans be the judge of it. All this hiding away behind closed doors isn't good for building confidence - all we are seeing is the best players leave for big money and being replaced by risky freebies
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Post by stuartB on Jul 26, 2012 20:28:26 GMT
But surely that is a conspiracy, because this hasn't been confirmed by the club in public, and a conspiracy is something that is being done secretly in private That's what I'm frustrated about - the uncertainty. If this is what the club is doing, they should come out and say and let the fans be the judge of it. All this hiding away behind closed doors isn't good for building confidence - all we are seeing is the best players leave for big money and being replaced by risky freebies nonsense!! the Bristows did not lend the money in a blaze of glory, they did not seek praise and Thea should not have to make public the part repayment of the loan. the fans have no right to the financial ins and outs of the club. our duty is to support and enjoy the football NOT scrutinise every transaction!! you aren't even a shareholder!!
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Post by Rags on Jul 26, 2012 20:39:27 GMT
nonsense!! the Bristows did not lend the money in a blaze of glory, they did not seek praise and Thea should not have to make public the part repayment of the loan.
the fans have no right to the financial ins and outs of the club. our duty is to support and enjoy the football NOT scrutinise every transaction!! you aren't even a shareholder!! Domestic?
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Post by Rags on Jul 26, 2012 20:42:05 GMT
But surely that is a conspiracy, because this hasn't been confirmed by the club in public, and a conspiracy is something that is being done secretly in private It won't be done secretly in private because it will be reflected in the Annual Accounts. Which Jon will take apart line by line and report exactly what has been repaid to who and when.
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Post by JamesB on Jul 26, 2012 20:55:31 GMT
But surely that is a conspiracy, because this hasn't been confirmed by the club in public, and a conspiracy is something that is being done secretly in private That's what I'm frustrated about - the uncertainty. If this is what the club is doing, they should come out and say and let the fans be the judge of it. All this hiding away behind closed doors isn't good for building confidence - all we are seeing is the best players leave for big money and being replaced by risky freebies nonsense!! the Bristows did not lend the money in a blaze of glory, they did not seek praise and Thea should not have to make public the part repayment of the loan. the fans have no right to the financial ins and outs of the club. our duty is to support and enjoy the football NOT scrutinise every transaction!! you aren't even a shareholder!! Up until it was recently illuminated elsewhere, the issue of paying Thea back didn't exist. Certainly when Paul was alive it never seemed to be a big deal - I don't ever remember it being regarded as a loan. "Investment" can mean numerous things And I believe the fans do have the right to know what's going on. It's a football club - it belongs to the fans. Without the fans, it would cease to function. Not all have shares but a hell of a lot of people invest time, money and emotion in this club. It is OUR club. If things start getting hidden from us, surely it ceases to be a football club and just becomes a sports franchise. It may not be a democracy but that doesn't make it a dictatorship Rags: It may turn up in the accounts eventually but Joe Bloggs the casual fan doesn't read them anyway - all he's reading is the newspaper today. And if he doesn't like what he sees and doesn't bother coming, the club is damaged by that
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Post by stuartB on Jul 26, 2012 20:58:12 GMT
nonsense!! the Bristows did not lend the money in a blaze of glory, they did not seek praise and Thea should not have to make public the part repayment of the loan.
the fans have no right to the financial ins and outs of the club. our duty is to support and enjoy the football NOT scrutinise every transaction!! you aren't even a shareholder!! Domestic? lol
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Post by stuartB on Jul 26, 2012 21:01:09 GMT
nonsense!! the Bristows did not lend the money in a blaze of glory, they did not seek praise and Thea should not have to make public the part repayment of the loan. the fans have no right to the financial ins and outs of the club. our duty is to support and enjoy the football NOT scrutinise every transaction!! you aren't even a shareholder!! Up until it was recently illuminated elsewhere, the issue of paying Thea back didn't exist. Certainly when Paul was alive it never seemed to be a big deal - I don't ever remember it being regarded as a loan. "Investment" can mean numerous things And I believe the fans do have the right to know what's going on. It's a football club - it belongs to the fans. Without the fans, it would cease to function. Not all have shares but a hell of a lot of people invest time, money and emotion in this club. It is OUR club. If things start getting hidden from us, surely it ceases to be a football club and just becomes a sports franchise. It may not be a democracy but that doesn't make it a dictatorship Rags: It may turn up in the accounts eventually but Joe Bloggs the casual fan doesn't read them anyway - all he's reading is the newspaper today. And if he doesn't like what he sees and doesn't bother coming, the club is damaged by that that's the problem with your generation and the twatter club!! if we don't know, then let's make it up or it must be a conspiracy!!
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Post by Rags on Jul 26, 2012 21:02:30 GMT
Without the fans, it would cease to function. While I entirely agree that it is OUR club and we'll still be here when everyone has gone, it's worth remembering that: WITH the fans but WITHOUT any Board of Directors putting their own personal money into the club with no return, the club would cease to function. Rags: It may turn up in the accounts eventually but Joe Bloggs the casual fan doesn't read them anyway - all he's reading is the newspaper today. And if he doesn't like what he sees and doesn't bother coming, the club is damaged by that That's why we rely on Jon here, and the less enlightened to read the Herald Express where the headlines are explained for them. But do you really believe that fans won't bother going to Plainmoor because they think the club should be buying two players for a combined £200k (for example)? They might, but they'll be back pretty sharp-ish when we put a winning run together. Have faith in the Lingster.
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Post by JamesB on Jul 26, 2012 21:28:58 GMT
But do you really believe that fans won't bother going to Plainmoor because they think the club should be buying two players for a combined £200k (for example)? They might, but they'll be back pretty sharp-ish when we put a winning run together. Have faith in the Lingster. I see the point - we the TFF were discussing much the same issues last year, with some saying the club wasn't being ambitious enough and that it would put people off. The difference is last year we still had the core of the side that had done well the previous year - Ellis, Robertson and O'Kane have since left, along with the outstanding Olejnik. It is worth bearing in mind that only 3 of the starting XI in the 2010 play-off final remain at the club - and that day, Mansell played right-back. I think it's more of a legitimate concern this time I have no problem with the players leaving, and I think we've got good money for all of them. But, as I said in the other thread, it seems to me that the club may be resting on its laurels: - I think Bodin has been wrongly built up into some sort of messianic saviour figure - while I have acknowledged that we missed him after he left, I was still not overly enamoured with him - The reason why we missed him after he left is because we replaced him with Jarvis, and I think that's something worth bearing in mind about him - Easton is a back-up for Lathrope or Mansell, or if he isn't, it's a massive risk, because he's 33 and played just 3 games last year - Downes is a risk because of his injury history - finding out about the third knee injury when he was at Rovers, which was avoided by the club in its statements, has made me suspicious - We are down one defender because Ling has effectively chosen to replace a centre-back and LRT with the same player, and Cruise is another with past fitness issues - And there's a big hole in midfield which needs to be filled by a creative player, and I don't think Morris can do this (see Port Vale away) and Craig is unproven - if he's so good, why did he slip through the net, and why didn't Ling pick him last year? It's difficult to have faith in a football manager as they all make mistakes. Two or three mistakes simultaneously at our level can be disastrous. He's clearly a very good manager but I'm not convinced by these additions, where last year I was relatively optimistic. I don't think we've given ourselves enough breathing room to ride out any scenarios where we are hit by a couple of key injuries at once I know League Two is a league where managers have to take risks because of the level we're at, but I think Ling is taking too many at once here. Poke is the only safe bet that he's gone for
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Post by stuartB on Jul 26, 2012 21:40:17 GMT
But do you really believe that fans won't bother going to Plainmoor because they think the club should be buying two players for a combined £200k (for example)? They might, but they'll be back pretty sharp-ish when we put a winning run together. Have faith in the Lingster. I see the point - we the TFF were discussing much the same issues last year, with some saying the club wasn't being ambitious enough and that it would put people off. The difference is last year we still had the core of the side that had done well the previous year - Ellis, Robertson and O'Kane have since left, along with the outstanding Olejnik. It is worth bearing in mind that only 3 of the starting XI in the 2010 play-off final remain at the club - and that day, Mansell played right-back. I think it's more of a legitimate concern this time I have no problem with the players leaving, and I think we've got good money for all of them. But, as I said in the other thread, it seems to me that the club may be resting on its laurels: - I think Bodin has been wrongly built up into some sort of messianic saviour figure - while I have acknowledged that we missed him after he left, I was still not overly enamoured with him - The reason why we missed him after he left is because we replaced him with Jarvis, and I think that's something worth bearing in mind about him - Easton is a back-up for Lathrope or Mansell, or if he isn't, it's a massive risk, because he's 33 and played just 3 games last year - Downes is a risk because of his injury history - finding out about the third knee injury when he was at Rovers, which was avoided by the club in its statements, has made me suspicious - We are down one defender because Ling has effectively chosen to replace a centre-back and LRT with the same player, and Cruise is another with past fitness issues - And there's a big hole in midfield which needs to be filled by a creative player, and I don't think Morris can do this (see Port Vale away) and Craig is unproven - if he's so good, why did he slip through the net, and why didn't Ling pick him last year? It's difficult to have faith in a football manager as they all make mistakes. Two or three mistakes simultaneously at our level can be disastrous. He's clearly a very good manager but I'm not convinced by these additions, where last year I was relatively optimistic. I don't think we've given ourselves enough breathing room to ride out any scenarios where we are hit by a couple of key injuries at once I know League Two is a league where managers have to take risks because of the level we're at, but I think Ling is taking too many at once here. Poke is the only safe bet that he's gone for and now you know why i don't play Football Manager on computer because it makes everyone who plays it an expert, NOT
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Post by rjdgull on Jul 26, 2012 21:55:24 GMT
Interesting argument but as far as I can see, Ling said the answers were in the squad last October when all around were losing their heads and his faith was repaid with more interest than a Greek governmental ten year bond! ;D
I'm sure that he has the ability to go and get another player or players in but so far in the first XI have lost Olejnik, Ellis and Eunan and replaced them with Poke, Downes, Easton and Bodin and surely we need to give them time to bed in? Team spirit is a factor and I'd rather Ling keeps his powder dry and buy when he feels the needs particularly as the right area to strengthen may only become apparent after a run of league games.......
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