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Post by Dave on Oct 29, 2008 11:55:37 GMT
I see that lee Phillips has now been transfer listed by Rushden, now many will feel he should never have left us, but would the fans want him back.
I know some have felt we have been goal shy this season, but we have been scoring more goals lately, so could his return really add to not only our forward line, but the systems we play now.
My own view Is that I would welcome him back, he Is big strong and works hard, sadly seems to miss more than he scores, but adds to any forward line with his sheer hard work.
The only problem would be, that I really can't see Bucks having him back, things went on much like they did with Raynor and we know how that ended up.
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Post by bitemebryn on Oct 29, 2008 12:33:28 GMT
Six weeks ago I would have loved to have him back, but now after our current run, I don't think he'd fit in to well. His style will always cause defenses problems, but we are better than that bulldozer approach now ;D
Thanks for the memories Lee, but it's in the past. For me at least.
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Post by weathergull on Oct 29, 2008 14:08:42 GMT
I feel he should never have left...clash of horns with PB has been speculated! Now he has gone, I don't see the need for him to return...not exactly set the conference alight with his goal scoring prowess now has he?
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Post by capitalgull on Oct 29, 2008 14:14:43 GMT
Too injury prone (three separate absences already this season) and an attitude problem, such as throwing his toys out of the pram when learning he was being taken off at half-time at Wembley (allegedly).
I prefer Sills, Green, Benyon and Dsane to him - at least they all want to be at Plainmoor - and we would have to break our wage structure to get him anyway after what Rushden offered him to leave this summer (allegedly).
I'd much prefer to sign Andy Burgess or even the much-hated but always effective Curtis Woodhouse of the eight high-waged players R&D have listed. Shame Curtis Osano isn't one of the listed guys...he oozes class and plays in positions we could do with (right back and part-time centre-back)
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 29, 2008 15:39:23 GMT
Capitalgull - Woodhouse is listed according to both the HE and the Dustbins site.
The only tinkering I would do with the side is to get a sub player to replace Sills when he gets injured, suspended etc. He is such an important player to how the team plays and he does tend to look a bit jaded at times, but then pops up with two against Chipstead.
Oh and get either Poke or Bevan to sign a two year contract.
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Post by capitalgull on Oct 29, 2008 15:47:17 GMT
Capitalgull - Woodhouse is listed according to both the HE and the Dustbins site. The only tinkering I would do with the side is to get a sub player to replace Sills when he gets injured, suspended etc. He is such an important player to how the team plays and he does tend to look a bit jaded at times, but then pops up with two against Chipstead. Oh and get either Poke or Bevan to sign a two year contract. I didn't say Woodhouse wasn't listed - Curtis Osano is the guy I said wasn't available
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Post by paj on Oct 29, 2008 16:30:58 GMT
I would welcome him back.
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 29, 2008 17:02:59 GMT
Sorry capitalgull should read better before posting!!
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Post by mickyflash on Oct 29, 2008 17:17:05 GMT
I do not think we need him back, if I am being honest, he is always going to cause problems to the opposition, and I was worried when we sold him, and yes when the results wasn't coming earlier in the season I did think 'we miss him' as I have always thought Phillips did a lot of work for Tim Sills and made Sillsy look like a better player than he is.
However, despite my concerns over this I supported Buckle Judgment then I will do so now. Only he know the ins and outs of the alleged bust up between the two and knows more than me about what LP brings to the pitch and the team, he obviously thought it was best for Lee to move on, and I like to think this was due to Football reasons and the way he saw us playing this season. Now the team is in full flow, it may be a step back wards to bring him in again now and also a step toward the hoof ball we played last year which I am not sure any of want to see?
P.S Back when the boo boys were giving PB all the TOTALLY UNJUSTIFIED abuse they would have slated him for signing a player in the summer and placing him on the transfer list so early on in the season, ( m.Brough cough) this is a reminder to all the impatient fans out there that this is football and this is how it goes, not every signing will work out exactly as planned, its how you move on from the failure of a player that makes you a good manager
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Post by Dave on Oct 29, 2008 17:46:32 GMT
mickyflash the last line In your post was so spot on
not every signing will work out exactly as planned, its how you move on from the failure of a player that makes you a good manager
Very wise words and words that I feel we can now apply to Bucks, this Is down to the fact that he has taken the time to look at his mistakes.
Not only that but he has learned from them and put what he has learned Into making himself a better manager. You are correct really, that If he had Phillips back the style may well change back to hoofball and I say that only because Of my talk with John Impey On Sunday.
The bit about having to play to players strengths etc and with him up front will Sills we would just see long balls being pumped up to them.
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Post by barnsleygull on Oct 29, 2008 18:27:25 GMT
mickyflash the last line In your post was so spot on not every signing will work out exactly as planned, its how you move on from the failure of a player that makes you a good managerVery wise words and words that I feel we can now apply to Bucks, this Is down to the fact that he has taken the time to look at his mistakes. Not only that but he has learned from them and put what he has learned Into making himself a better manager. You are correct really, that If he had Phillips back the style may well change back to hoofball and I say that only because Of my talk with John Impey On Sunday. The bit about having to play to players strengths etc and with him up front will Sills we would just see long balls being pumped up to them. And why for gods sake would we want to go back to that?? We have just started [glow=red,2,300]playing football[/glow] in the last 10 or so games, played well [glow=red,2,300]and[/glow] played to players strengths too..........
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Post by Dave on Oct 29, 2008 18:35:56 GMT
barnsleygull, we sure don't want to go back to hoof ball mate, we are playing football the way its meant to be played, the way Merse said could not be played in the BSP.
Its getting the results,looks good to watch and will keep fans coming back for more. Still think Phillips would be OK to come back, not as first choice, but In games where we did not have Sills. You do need a big man up front to win the balls that will come up to the front players in the air
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Post by merse on Oct 29, 2008 19:50:06 GMT
barnsleygull, we sure don't want to go back to hoof ball mate, we are playing football the way its meant to be played, the way Merse said could not be played in the BSP. Don't start that old crap again. What I stated was that over passing the ball that way Mansfield did that sent you into raptures was NOT the way to win this league. It's not the way Aldershot won it and it's not the way we are playing it for that matter either. As you confessed, you spend half the game chatting. Maybe if you had seen the games I have on the road at Cambridge, Forest Green and Ebbsfleet, where we certainly did NOT overpass the ball, rather passed it to great effect with the minimum of fuss and a directness of focus and purpose; you would not be confusing that with the stuff Mansfield were turning out against York. The way Mansfield played allowed York to double back, re group and ultimately FAILED to secure a victory. That could certainly not be said of any Paul Buckle side.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Oct 29, 2008 20:39:12 GMT
I was slightly disappointed to see Lee P (but not for Bucks for letting him go), but I didn't see him as being the huge loss to our forward line that some people felt at the time............ I'll probably get shot-down for saying this, but the way that LP plays doesn't seem to suit his frame (and I'm not saying he is overweight - simply that his muscles / joints get hammered with his battering-ram approach) and this leads to a fair amount of injuries. I wouldn't also say that he held the ball well enough - and that certainly increased the pressure on our defenders last season.
His goal record this season at Rushden this season says a lot. He's probably lacking in confidence and needs a spell of regular first team starts. I don't believe that he would get that with us. Besides - when he left for Rushden he implied that he was being allowed to go as we had some serious financial pressures. That gave many fans the jitters and it is proved that we improved the standard of the squad over the summer - I certainly didn't appreciate this bitter little swipe from a player that had a goal record that was fairly good, but didnt give him the right to such displays of petulance!
Leon Knight is on the list as well - hardly a surprise. When I was told earlier this season that bringing him to the club was an option that was being considered, I had real doubts that he would be of benefit. He's a player that just never settles anywhere and some of his behaviour at Swansea that led to his departure was astounding!
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Post by Dave on Oct 29, 2008 20:46:22 GMT
ohtobeatplainmoor, some very good points there, I would agree about his frame and the effects his type Of game, must have on all his body.
He sure would not command a starting place today at our club, but with out Sills On the pitch, do you not think we would miss a strong man up front, a role that Phillips could fill.
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