The TFF General Election

I always thought there was an unwritten rule that you never discussed politics, sex or religion and for good reasons as such discussions usually end up with people falling out. I have never had any interest what so ever as far as politics is concerned and I know Merse is now going to post that I’m some thick country yokel, but I don’t even know what they are on about when they talk about far left or far right.

I believe people have died so I have the right to vote and for that reason alone I always use my vote, in the past I have listened to what the parties said their policies were and I voted for the party who I felt were saying all the right words and ones I believed would sort out the real problems in this country and put the GREAT back into Britain again.

Only they never have kept their promises and like good politicians they are they have never given reasons why as they never answer straight questions. All that has happened for me is I have seen more and more on my small income get taken off me by the government, the same people who have ripped me off and taken money I really need so they can buy such things as duck ponds for their second homes that I’m also paying for.

Its not just the government at all, the local council has made sure it looks after those within it very well thank you, people with job titles that nobody knows what the hell they are for and people on £150.000 plus expensives and a nice fat pension all rolled in for good measure as they tell me there is no money to fix this or that anymore in the Bay and I know I’m having to pay far more each year and my money has to be going somewhere.

It’s not a change of government we need but a whole new system that will see an end to those all looking after themselves and ones who will put this country and its people first and foremost.

I now live in a county where I have lost so much of the freedom others died so I could have, I’m tracked as we all our where ever we go and I have to be so mindful of what I say these days in fear of having a label put on me and being arrested and charged and found guilty and then punished for my crimes.

Yet the real things that made us a great country are nearly all gone, respect, decency, real values and principals are now mostly only held and practiced by the older generations who all pray that one day things will go full circle and the real fundamental things needed to built a good society will return.

I don’t know who is really to blame for that has gone on over the last two years, I do know how many times I have had to say good luck too people when I called at the company they worked for and were saying goodbye to me as they had lost their jobs. Lost their jobs and some their homes and at the same time hearing just how much that duck pond did cost, more than enough to keep those who lost their jobs in work for many years.

Its take take take, that’s the name of the game, they all rob the poor to pay the rich and keep us on the breadline and it’s only the foolish in my view who actually believe anything they say. Lets keep sticking more duty on the petrol, why we will always be able to afford to fill our big Jags and four by fours, only its people like my boss who has to look hard at just much it is now costing to keep me on the road and the figures are going against me having a job myself more and more as each week goes by.

I now also live in a land that does not even make its own laws anymore and I know all those years ago I was only asked if I wanted my county to be in the common market and it was only then ever about trading with other countries not them deciding the laws of the land I live in.

So who do I vote for? Well I do feel we need a change but I don’t think any of the three main parties if they got in would make any difference at all and while there are some things I did like what were being said by the conservatives I know they want to bring fox hunting back for those sick rich lot who take joy in seeing a fox ripped apart by hounds. They will even tell you the fox enjoys it as well as if not he would not join in, so I sure can’t give them my vote.

As I drive around I see all the big bill boards up and all the slogans and the one that has the most impact on my is the UKIP one as it says its time to put Britain first for a change and I can’t argue with that one little bit at all.

I certainly am not Dave, but when an area that has been raped by the politics of a particular party then goes and dutifully re-elects them; we know that the majority of people care not for politics nor the underlying reasons for particular parties setting themselves up as representatives of a particular section of society; so we know you are not alone.

So our friend from South Wales readily admits to being a "Turkey". No doubt he'll be brave enough to stand in the middle of his town with a blue rosette on and admit to supporting the party that tore the heart and soul out of his community as revenge for the FACT that the old Tory paymasters had seen their privatised mining and steel operations with all their attendant health, safety and environmental damage issues; taken away from them by a Socialist nationalisation in 1948.

Stuart: (and Dave too for that matter) I am one of those people who absolutley adored the old town centre/market place hustings of old when you could attempt to tear the politician's campaigning to bits from the floor. No-one who voiced their opinion was accused of being a "Bully Boy" then because to be quite honest to be a Socialist in cap doffing, forelock tugging South Devon was akin to being a leper. Newton Abbot WAS a town that had an active Trades Council and Ratepayers Committee that really did take up the issues of which Dave complains. It regularly returned a strong Labour Urban District Council which was an island of red amongst a sea of country bumkin blue that voted for it's surrounding Tory master like a terrified and shivering jellyfish afraid of pinning it's true opinions on it's chest and preferring instead to hide behind it's "pinny" Only in Plymouth and Exeter did Labour have a sizeable support for it to rival NA's.

Once the Boundaries Commission addressed the anomaly of urban towns being included in vast rural Tory domains like the old Totnes Constituency and created the Teignbridge Constituency did the Tory vote collapse in that area and the Liberal Democrats then get voted in.

That's radical and that's not an achievement to be given up lightly by now turning to the Tories once again.

Village dominated Totnes and South Hams voted Stein in last time once again and look how the old Scumbag treated them in return........................Jesus he even got slung out of the Tory Party by Old Etonion "Dave, the Guiness slurping Armchair Football Fan" for his appalling abuse of the claims system and arrogant dismissal of his constituents as "jealous of his wealth"............................what a disgusting and perfect example of why not to vote Tory if ever I saw one.

The last Tory MP for Torbay was London resident Rupert Allason, an absolute joke of a representative for an area he had no interest in, nor dedication to it's particular needs or problems. The electorate then returned Liberal Democrat Adrian Saunders ~ a fine local politician with a healthy record as a caring and assiduous local councillor........ a historic occasion as he was the very first non Tory ever to represent the Bay in Parliament. Until then you could probably have managed to return a Paignton Beach Donkey to Parliament as long as it sported a blue rosette on it's harness, so dumbly did the local populace vote for those who had exploited them so badly and for so long.

If you research your local MP and realise all he has done for you and compare it with what Allason ever did for Torbay Dave (you ARE voting for just who you want as your MP remember) I don't then see how you can consider a fruit loop extremist bunch of right wingers thrown out of the Tory Party calling themselves UKIP; but if you do, all you are doing in fact will be strengthening the Liberal vote as a vote for an extremist right wing party is another vote less for another one - the Tory Party and thus splitting the right wing vote.

Merse has just decided to retire to his bed as he fell off his soap box dressed as Michael Foote just now!

No problem at all in wearing my blue rosette in the middle of Ferndale as most locals have come to realise the truth about the mines closing. Far from nasty Maggie to be blamed but the militant, self centred and power mad idiot Arthur Scargill was to blame for the demise of their industry and communities.

My vote is meaningless but i will cast it as it is my democratic right. Don't these liberals realise that by changing the voting system means that people like me count, not just their liberal friends. Weren't the Labour party shouting about changing the system until they got elected under it. only those who can't get elected under a system want to change it.

We all have our views on history and can twist it to our advantage. I grew up under Thatcher and i'm sure I'm in a minority on here but I actually believe that she is the greatest post war prime minister.

She inherited a mess from the last Lib/Lab pact. the winter of discontent, borrowing from the IMF, bodies unburied, rubbish on the streets etc etc. How quick people forget or are too young to remember.

When she was elected, she inherited a mess and took the tough decisions to sort things out. I was caught up in the unemployment at the time but joined the RAF in 1982.

Things soon improved and she was re-elected on a wave of patriotic response to the Falklands conflict. Whether you supported this or not, our boys and girls did one hell of a job. The feel good factor was enormous.

She smashed the unions, especially the miners. some might think this was bad but I think it was good. the unions in the 70s took control of this country and strangled it to death. There is a place for unions and responsible management with negotiation being the focus. just look at that dinosaur Bob Crow and what he is doing!

When Labour came to power, they did not repeal any of the union laws. they followed the Tory financial plans and inherited a growing economy from Ken Clarke.

what have Labour done? poured millions into public service. on the face of it, you would say that was good but no. the services have not improved because they have just boosted teachers, doctors, nurses etc pay which does not make them better at their job or give them better to tools to do a better job. GP contracts have taken millions out of the NHS budget but not improved the service. I have to give 2 weeks notice of being ill if i want to see a doctor.

Labour said that they would get rid of Boom or Bust economics. they were right. They gave us the mega bust without the boom!!

Stuartb, I was only joking with you on the popside yesterday about you only posting those one liners we should have started talking politics much sooner and not bothered with all that TUFC stuff

Of course there is no problem ~ they probably think you're a Cardiff City fan

In 1987 your constituency, Rhonnda; was the safest Labour seat in all the country and the only one in which the Liberals lost their deposite in 2001 (they didn't even bother standing in '87) and your Tories also lost their deposite in the worst performing return in the whole of the UK.

So much for your view about Labour and the NUMW.

Yes, Genghis; thankfully your vote will be wasted

I find it quite amusing when UKIP is labelled right-wing. To accuse them of this shows the lack of understanding about libertarian views and the left-right paradigm. We are neither left, centre or right wing. We reject the notion while recognising the move to big government control by both left and right. Socialism (left) and national socialism (right) are sides of the same coin, big gov't control. Left, union funded and supported. Right, bankster elite funded and supported. Both about control and getting their noses in the trough. I reject both these corrupt progressive movements.

Give people the freedom to run their own lives independent of gov't interference. Scrap the top heavy welfare based unaffordable economic timebomb. Allow the free market to work and innovation will follow. Starve the fatcats and get rid of union negotiated public servant pensions, we can't afford them. make laws for Britain in Britain not socailist/progressive run europe.

Right wing my arse.