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Post by aussie on Aug 27, 2009 14:08:05 GMT
It`s not just a few is it, it`s hundreds of them on both sides, disgracefull bunch of nuckle dragging scum, and it`s not about just invading the pitch Kev it`s the stabbings and slashings and shear thuggish loonacy that happens too surround both clubs. The clubs know who these people are, the other fans know who these people are, stop being so blinded by your love for the club, you can`t always blame the police, although in this case they could have been more organised, like shooting the barstards with rubber bullets, tazars and water cannons because thats what they deserve. You recon it`s unfair to punish the clubs, don`t be soft! They have more history than the bloody Nazis mate! If TUFC had hooligans that went mental then yes I`d shop them to save OUR club from what should happen to clubs that protect their loonatics, if I didn`t come forward then I would have no right to complain if the authorities acted against the club! This shit needs to be rectified from the inside, no bottlers please!
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Post by westhamsallie on Aug 27, 2009 14:49:21 GMT
They have more history than the bloody Nazis mate! Now THAT I find offensive!! |
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Post by merse on Aug 27, 2009 15:39:40 GMT
 Those figures need to be set against two other statistics though...................the average crowds of the clubs concerned (Arsenal's must be a third bigger than West Ham's and Man U's almost twice as big) and the tolerance levels shown by the police and stewards at the pertinent grounds. Just don't tell Carlton Cole and Jason Price there is a zero tolerance shown to racist abuse at The Boleyn by either stewards or the police, and don't try to suggest that the general attitude towrds players of mixed or Afro/Asian ethnicity in the hinterland of those two clubs support is any way as enlightened as it is in the support of other clubs in the capital. I can't recall the last time I heard racist abuse delivered at an Arsenal game, and one look around the crowd at The Emirates and then observation of those at The Boleyn and The Den reveals a marked reluctance of sizeable the Asian and Afro populace of the West Ham and Millwall areas to come to the games in the numbers that one sees at Arsenal; yet when one looks in the immediate vicinity of the East End and South East postcodes around the grounds concerned it becomes obvious that although thousands of young kids idolise the game and it's players THEY ARE NOT COMING TO THE GAMES yet in the immediate neighbourhood of the Emirates, the ethnic population of those previously mentioned is a lot less concentrated yet their representation amongst the crowd is markedly more. One therefore has to ask the question, "why?" and I think the answer is painfully obvious. I don't doubt the good intentions of the two clubs concerned to work with the comminity and eradicate bigotry and racism that is endemic and being handed down from father and mother to son. No wonder they grow up thick stupid and racist...................they are born to it; they are born to regard a "Millwall" as a scab thanks to what went on between their grandads eighty years ago, and in the other area they harbour the same grudges and hatred that was perpetrated there all those years ago. These people neither wish nor intend to change; it is time to cast them adrift and move on. Let them play each other at "Green Street" EVERY weekend in a locked arena ~ fans against fans (no need for footballs) they can dress up in nineteen twenties gear and pretend that the world outside their manor hasn't moved on and is still in the time warp they live in today....................and Dougie Brimson, Cas Pennant and Danny feckin' Dyer can mop up the blood! 
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Post by merse on Aug 27, 2009 15:54:37 GMT
merse is just expressing his opinion. It's just that his 'final solution' may seem extreme to many people. Can you not route merse's posts directly onto the Millwall and Irons fans forums? I'm sure that "many people" would forgoe his wisdom for a few days here whilst he sorted it all out up in the Smoke. There is no alternative Final Solution other than getting rid of the focus of their hatred...................they would soon be forgotten and the world of football would move on with two more deserving clubs moving up the pyramid. They would be no more relevant than Belfast Celtic or Leeds City, do people mourn the passing of Royal Engineers or Blackburn Olympic ? Of course not, the only ones who would regret it would be the dwindling little band of Millwall fans, and the Wet 'Ampsters ~ as long as they learned some table manners they could go and watch the Orient and D&R who could do with a few extra bums on seats and Millwall's mob could concentrate on their Nazi Rallies and BNP marches. Go on any more forums? No thanks, I've been slung off another site, nonleaguefootballlive and the HE sites; more than enough for one man to achieve! |
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Post by Dave on Aug 27, 2009 16:04:03 GMT
Merse I have sorted out the post you made this morning and got rid of the extra b's that were showing, you had used BOLD two times on some words and thats why the b's showed up in your post.
The first post you made on the thread can't be restored as you edited it as such, the only thing you can do is modify it again and write as near as you can remember what that post contained.
All the best Dave
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Post by merse on Aug 27, 2009 16:08:01 GMT
Anyone watching tonight's Arsenal match would certainly hope that the 'professionalism' exhibited by Eduardo in gaining a penalty will be copied by as few amateur footballers as possible as it really is a blight on the game. And as for 'immense pride'..well there again the sad fact of the matter is that he did seem rather proud of himself. Well I wouldn't have given that pen from the angle that TV gave me, but then we never did see the angle the ref had nor heard what he possibly heard ~ keeper's knee on the opponent's trailing foot? Did he dive or did he withdraw the weight of his legs with that serious injury he incurred last season at the back of his mind? Only Eduardo knows that, but I know I used to push the ball past keepers exactly like that hoping they would come out and foul me and I'm not so sure that is any more cheating that a judicious dangling of "bait" at a fish that might swallow it. |
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Post by merse on Aug 27, 2009 16:12:12 GMT
The first post you made on the thread can't be restored as you edited it as such, the only thing you can do is modify it again and write as near as you can remember what that post contained. Thanks for that Dave, sorry for the trouble but I can't even remember the difference between "quote" and "modify" sometimes, let alone what I posted yesterday.  |
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Post by Yellow on Aug 27, 2009 17:04:41 GMT
Merse I have sorted out the post you made this morning and got rid of the extra b's that were showing, you had used BOLD two times on some words and thats why the b's showed up in your post. The first post you made on the thread can't be restored as you edited it as such, the only thing you can do is modify it again and write as near as you can remember what that post contained. All the best Dave On the other hand merse don't bother old man. We've probably all got the drift. Lots of "b" words and some in bold. Same as all your other posts really..... <g>. |
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Post by aussie on Aug 27, 2009 17:23:03 GMT
They have more history than the bloody Nazis mate! Now THAT I find offensive!! Sorry Sallie I probably went slightly over the top there! Wrong analogy syndrome I`m affraid, I was just trying too put a point across and obviously got it quite horribly wrong, I`m prone to doing that, again I`m sorry! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2009 17:31:19 GMT
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I don't think people are too bothered whether he was withdrawing weight or diving, it's whether he was brought down by the goalkeeper or not. My personal view is that he went down out of choice & not involuntarily as a result of being tripped by the keeper, whether his method of choice was this weight withdrawal method or a forward roll I know not.
The key point for me is as you rightly say 'only Eduardo knows that' & that is why I have advocated taking penalty decisions away from Referees & giving them to players!
Currently it's a case of players seeing if they can con the refs into giving incorrect decisions & the Refs getting a big share of the blame if the player has fooled them.
Instead put the whole of the responsibility on the player & see if he has the balls to award the penalty himself in the knowledge he has not been fouled. Directly cheating your fellow players rather than trying to hoodwink an official would feel a bit different I'm sure.
If one side decides to cheat the other side can just have one of their men fall over in the penalty area & claim a penalty for themselves,thereby reducing the game to farce & fairly quickly forcing the players to agree on a code of conduct where they realise the game can't go on unless both sides act honourably. Hopefully we would eventually get to a situation similar to golf where a cheating participant incurs the wrath of all his fellow players.
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The closest I've seen to my own prefered solution. I've always advocated a small section of a ground being designated as a 'fighting terrace' to cater for those fans who enjoy a punch up when they go to a game. I do think there would be less inconvenince to the public & far less likelihood of trouble outside of grounds if hooligans knew they could quite happily bash each others brains out undisturbed for 90 minutes.
I think a lot of the fighting on trains , in shopping centres, in the pubs etc would stop if facilities were laid on at the ground, and surely much safer for the general public as well if the fighters could bash each other about in their own little area away from those supporters who wish to watch the game in peace.
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Post by merse on Aug 27, 2009 17:41:04 GMT
On the other hand merse don't bother old man. We've probably all got the drift. Young man............the scroll facility is in perfect working order for those of such a superior nature that they find an ageist reason to be irritated over anything I post. You are welcome to try it ~ as well as a more juvenile collection of postings and subjects on another site that might appeal more to your tastes. Your smug replies certainly wouldn't be missed by me if I decided to do the same, although I guess some on here might enjoy them. |
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Post by aussie on Aug 27, 2009 17:50:25 GMT
Merse I don't think people are too bothered whether he was withdrawing weight or diving, it's whether he was brought down by the goalkeeper or not. My personal view is that he went down out of choice & not involuntarily as a result of being tripped by the keeper, whether his method of choice was this weight withdrawal method or a forward roll I know not. The key point for me is as you rightly say 'only Eduardo knows that' & that is why I have advocated taking penalty decisions away from Referees & giving them to players! Currently it's a case of players seeing if they can con the refs into giving incorrect decisions & the Refs getting a big share of the blame if the player has fooled them. Instead put the whole of the responsibility on the player & see if he has the balls to award the penalty himself in the knowledge he has not been fouled. Directly cheating your fellow players rather than trying to hoodwink an official would feel a bit different I'm sure. If one side decides to cheat the other side can just have one of their men fall over in the penalty area & claim a penalty for themselves,thereby reducing the game to farce & fairly quickly forcing the players to agree on a code of conduct where they realize the game can't go on unless both sides act honorably. Hopefully we would eventually get to a situation similar to golf where a cheating participant incurs the wrath of all his fellow players. Interesting concept but I fear it wouldn`t work due to the size of financial reward on the table nowadays, Ronaldo would have awarded himself a stupid amount of pens last season and would have gone home and slept like a lamb with no conscious thoughts at all of being a lying ,cheating little money grabbing t0sser that he is. Money has spoilt the sport at top level so therfore I don`t believe your idea, as good as it is, could possibly work. You would get some honest players wanting to beat the living sh1t out of the cheating ones, it would go so quickly tits up! I can see it now a player cheats and gives himself a pen, the next thing you`ll see when that cheat gets the ball is someone from the opposition snaps him in half, and his excuse will be " Well if your gunna go down then I`m gunna make sure it effin hurts you cheating tw4t! " Or maybe thats just how my brain works! |
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Post by Rob on Aug 27, 2009 17:55:00 GMT
I have a bit of sympathy for the view that his foot maybe clipped Boruc's knee. Not that that would necessarily make it a penalty. I was surprised ITV didn't explore further, particularly after the observation was made by Wenger.
I'm glad nobody has sought to defend Millwall.
Note to Aussie: I have a sneaky feeling Joe was being sarcastic.
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Post by merse on Aug 27, 2009 17:59:20 GMT
The key point for me is as you rightly say 'only Eduardo knows that' & that is why I have advocated taking penalty decisions away from Referees & giving them to players! Yes Joe, now take another "Happy Pill" and go and lay down on the M5!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2009 18:05:55 GMT
aussie  Exactly my point Aussie... if the cheats get snapped in half thats going to be a huge deterrent. Knowing the physical pain you would suffer as a result of being singled out for a good kicking by every member of the opposition team would make them reconsider claiming false penalties ever again. The players have to be put in a position where they are forced to come up with a solution to this problem or else the sport that they make such a good living from dies. If it means literally kicking the cheats out of the game we'll be left with a far healthier sport as a result. |
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Exactly my point Aussie... if the cheats get snapped in half thats going to be a huge deterrent. Knowing the physical pain you would suffer as a result of being singled out for a good kicking by every member of the opposition team would make them reconsider claiming false penalties ever again.