West Ham v Millwall

What utter rubbish Adam.

I take it that you'll be attempting to get Torquay thrown out of the league and their play off final trophy confiscated because of those of you who ran on the pitch at the end of the Burton game, last May!

It may be "your opinion", but seriously mate, GET REAL!

West Ham are responsible for the people INSIDE the ground - but can't be for the arseholes outside.

The police's clever idea of turning Millwall's original 3800 ticket allocation for what is a " local derby" into 1500 tickets must go a long way towards this whole affair. If they'd given them all 3800 tickets in the first place, they would have all been INSIDE the ground, in a controlled environment.

Add that to 50% of the police's resources being taken up on the day to deal with a "peace camp" in Greenwich - and it's plain to see where it so easily could have been avoided.

Also, if you want to expunge West Ham's records over this, then you must do the same with all fixtures at the Boleyn Ground.

Under your scheme, Australia would never have beaten England 3-1 in a friendly!!

It seems unfair to punish the Football Clubs because people are misbehaving in the streets & pubs some distance from their stadium.

These G8 summits & the G20 in London this year invariably lead to days of violent behaviour in the streets outside the venue and a few fatalities over recent years

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/G20/article5947158.ece

we know there will be a lot of trouble whenever these European politicians meet, just as we know there will be trouble when clubs such as West Ham & Millwall meet, so on this basis it is the politicians who host an event that attracts violence that should be punished ?

We've had at least one murder inside a Tesco store this year & I'm sure there are violent confrontations connected with disputes over parking spaces, shoplifting etc taking place in Tesco carparks the length & breadth of the country, but it is the offenders who are punished & not the Tesco just because they own the car park.

I'd much rather those people who broke the law got adequately punished rather than two of our football clubs who only wanted to play a peaceful game of football.

alpinejoe, we speak the same language and I share your views 100%, it does seem reading what Kev wrote, that it could and should have been handled so much better by the police etc.

Exactly. It is the lazy thinking that entire groups of people act the same that leads to the racism and bigotry that Merse claims to oppose. Yet he is as guilty of this prejudice as anyone I know.

Sally you know merse very well and have enjoyed many great times with him I'm sure, I was only really trying to make the point that one reason you posted was because due to the wording of the post merse made, you did feel tarred by the same brush.

spiteful and vitriolic arguments are things we try hard to avoid on the TFF, good wholesome debate and done with out the need to cause insult or offense, is the order of the day ;D

As we have discussed before, being offended can so often just come down to how thick skinned you are and how you read what was written, it is so easy to misunderstand what the writer was really trying to say.

OK let's substitute "yer average" for far too many.....................thousands of them in fact; and whilst we're at it, I DID quantify the "Chavvie" ones.

Of course there are good fans but then then again once more we have been "reliably informed" that I am encapsulating ALL West Ham and Millwall fans by those who read what they chose to interpret rather than what is written.

I don't apologise however for suggesting that ALL the fans of these clubs take the punishment for the continuing and never ending animosity between two communities that has no place in sport whatsoever. Belfast Celtic were banned from ALL football for perpetuating "non football" antipathy towards other football fans and so it should be for these combatants, otherwise the problem will never be resolved and the stupidity of the PAST EIGHTY YEARS will just carry on and on.

Stupid throw away comments heard on local (and possibly national) TV last night relating to "these games should be played behind closed doors" and "it's West 'am 'n Miwwaw innit, woddo vey expect?" only serve to emphasize the inherent ignorance and futility of the combatants and their apologists amongst the community. What next..................."they're black/Paki/Kosovan aren't they, what do they expect?" Do we patronise them and say "they come form the East End don't they, what else do you expect?"

RJC's point about the outer London sink estate areas that harbour the nasty, racist and bigoted element of the Chelsea support is valid indeed................(for such areas do harbour alarmingly high percentages of the bigoted and intolerant) as is his point about the (let's say) "posher" areas to where some of the "Scallies Made Good" have managed to move to.....................the type no doubt like the ones who's mock Tudor Mansion I saw in Chigwell last week has been painted in Dayglo' Pink instead of the accepted white infilling of the black timbers.

There's several a former CGFC participant who will testify to the nasty racist example of the "Windsor Chav" we once had the embarrassment of including in our football team. WE dealt with him by ostracising him and deleting him from our list of players and West Ham United could do a lot more to eradicate the disturbingly large percentage of their support that express themselves in the way they do..................for certain they haven't tried as hard as Millwall (to the effect of halving their average support) have.

There's a very real message to my call to ban both clubs sine die, and the message is "if you want to kill a cancer, you have to cut it out".................but how much do the rest of football really want to cut this nonsense out?

Thank you for not being offended Sallie, I didn't for one moment wish to offend you. I just wish the football club you support would be more pro-active and stand up to these bigots and perpetrators of violence.

OK, here's the latest post in it's correct sequence (I hope!)

However we must learn from history Aunty Dave and recognise that appeasement didn't work for Neville Chamberlain.

merse is just expressing his opinion. It's just that his 'final solution' may seem extreme to many people.

Can you not route merse's posts directly onto the Millwall and Irons fans forums? I'm sure that "many people" would forgoe his wisdom for a few days here whilst he sorted it all out up in the Smoke.