chelstongull
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Post by chelstongull on Jun 11, 2009 19:17:56 GMT
It does not appear we are actively seeking anyone until the ink is dry on Robertson, Benyon and Hargreaves from this latest press release. In its tone, a far cry from the announcement of Colin Lee last month.(eg: 4 or 5 new players/£ to go on squad strengthening etc..) I think we got caught last time with Akinfatwallet and Marriott pis*ing us about/stalling over contracts and therefor missing out on other players. If this is the stumbling block, give them the ultimatum - sign by a date if not back your bags and we can go out and get some new players. |
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Rob
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Post by Rob on Jun 11, 2009 19:23:21 GMT
I agree. Give Robertson until Saturday, Benyon until next Wednesday and Hargreaves until the end of next week. That ought to sort it.
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Post by stuartB on Jun 11, 2009 21:03:18 GMT
Rival bid for Ronaldo from TUFC of £80, fish and chips, clotted cream, pasties and a cheap weekend in Brixham.
Sir Alex is thinking seriously about it but is rumoured to be pushing for Sills as part exchange. Should Buckle give in?
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Rob
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Post by Rob on Jun 11, 2009 21:12:28 GMT
Never
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Post by stuartB on Jun 11, 2009 21:16:38 GMT
is that a welsh "never" your honour ;D |
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Post by tqriviera on Jun 11, 2009 21:25:25 GMT
Good Public Relations might not be so important to certain people but it certainly is if the Club wishes to attract potential new and hopefully cash rich sponsors who perhaps have no history of supporting the Club but are considering it. Good and positive news tends to have a better effect than emphasing the (possibly true) realities!
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Post by Rob on Jun 11, 2009 21:41:38 GMT
is that a welsh "never" your honour ;D More of an Ian Paisley "No Surrender", stuartb. It seems elsewhere people are convinced Wroe and Benyon are Sid James bound!!! |
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Post by stuartB on Jun 11, 2009 21:45:48 GMT
is that a welsh "never" your honour ;D More of an Ian Paisley "No Surrender", stuartb. It seems elsewhere people are convinced Wroe and Benyon are Sid James bound!!! only time will tell, no need to stress. Benyon, no big loss, perhaps Green will get the chance he deserves. Wroe would be a blow but not the end of the world. Good players have come and gone over the years but the TEAM will prevail. Patience my beauties ;D |
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Post by graystar on Jun 11, 2009 22:39:42 GMT
Re the late bid for Ronaldo, I think the dirty weekend in Brixham and the clotted cream might just swing it!
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Post by phipsy on Jun 11, 2009 23:25:43 GMT
why indeed would exeter city be interested in elliott benyon-----answer , he is a young talented player who will always score goals. his games for goals ratio last season was excellent.
given a fair chance of playing regularly he will be a 20 goals a season player.
i for one would be very upset if we lose him, especially to sid james up the road.
ijust hope that the deal that he has been offered is a fair one.
we lost a talented player just a few seasons back namely adebayo akinfenwa for the the sake of an extra £20 a week which swansea wer prepared to pay, please dont let it happen again.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Jun 12, 2009 0:34:35 GMT
Benyon and Robertson are young players and need first team football. They've not been anywhere near "certainties" when it comes to starting, if Bucks goes-out and plunders the market for a centre-half and a centre-forward then what message does it give to two players that will want to be starting most weeks?
It would be a shame to lose either of them, but both would be replaced (and we would get fees for them). The same goes for Wroe, he had a great end to the season and shows some real ability, but for swathes of the season earlier on he "went missing". I've no doubt that he would be fine in League 2 but don't really see him making the jump above that straight away (I'm aware that he played at a higher level before).
This time of year is always the same - lots of thumb-twiddling for the average fan that leads to anxiety because of the perception that the club isn't moving fast enough to get the new talent into the squad for the fast approaching new season.
The club might be "light on words sometimes" - but they are undoubtably "big on action", which matters more to me than what they say. There will be 4 or 5 signings, I've genuinely no idea who (other than perhaps the odd argyle loanee!) and there is usually one departure from the club on a "Bosman".
As for losing players for the extra £20 per week...... Akinfenwa earned a whole lot more than £20 a week extra at Swansea! If players leave for footballing reasons or a significantly bogger salary then that is football, but the board are not "penny pinchers" - that is how we managed to assemble the team that got us back into the league.
You can bet your bottom dollar that we will have a stronger team going into League than we finished last season with, whether that is with our without Benyon, Wroe, Green or Robertson.
It's the similar to last summer, the signings appeared without any rumours beforehand - have faith - they WILL come!
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Post by merse on Jun 12, 2009 2:53:40 GMT
 Paul Buckle isn't, and Torquay United aren't; a manager or club who divulge their targets or considerations in the transfer market.....................and neither should they be. Such "loose talk" has often been the cause of missing out on intended signings and really I am surprised at this talk of disappointment and not encouraging the public/sponsors - even comparison to the hopeless way in which the club handled it's last two close seasons following promotion. This period of the close season is when virtually all players/agents and many managers have been away on holiday and thus there will be contracts left to sign, agreements to be finalised and definitive decisions to be made. We have three players currently in receipt of offers to which they have yet to commit to if they have indeed decided to accept them and also this summer there are a plethora of clubs only offering one year contracts as opposed to the normally accepted two and beyond..................indeed I know of one Conference club that is only offering three month deals at the moment such is the uncertainty of the financial climate and the immediate future thereof. You read of clubs like Luton Town making big noises because it seems they MAY have committed their "Setanta Money" to their budget and now realise they have probably been hasty whilst others are claiming that imminent business collapse will NOT affect them unduly. Experience tells me it most certainly will, AND it will have an untoward bearing on the ability of the marketing men of the lower echelons of the game to attract their slice of the national corporate interest in the immediate future with vital national exposure of the game at the level we played last season being lost. Then there is the uncertainty OUR manager might have over how he commits his finite resources given that IF he were to lose one of the three players he obviously wants to keep who haven't yet committed OR were to lose one or two to acceptable bids from bigger and better placed clubs to players already contracted, his priorities then change somewhat in that THEY have to be replaced forthwith unless we are to go into a higher level of football with a significantly inferior squad to last season. I don't accept that going into League 2 from the BSP is as big a jump as going from League 2 to League 1 was......................you never hear anyone claiming that the two lower Football League Divisions have little between them as one frequently does in the case of League 2 and the Conference do you? Grant the manager some intelligence and the time he needs to commit himself, stop expecting to be "entertained" by the close season speculation and for goodness sake take a little time out and wind down before next season begins, it'll be here soon enough ~ just ask Paul Buckle!
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Post by crispygull on Jun 12, 2009 7:28:32 GMT
Whilst one year contracts may be becoming more of the norm in these uncertain times, if as has been suggested by Dave R, that is all we are offering to promising young talent like Elliot Benyon and Chris Robertson then it will be understandable if we end up losing them. There will always be clubs prepared to go further - witness Oxford United who have handed out three year deals to centre half Mark Creighton (Kidderminster) and goalkeeper Ryan Clarke (Northwich and ex TUFC trialist!). That policy has already been criticised by Brian Lee (Conference Chairman), particularly given that the players concerned are run of the mill Conference pros, but the fact remains that there will always be clubs prepared to go that extra mile to get the player(s) they want in.
So, whilst it may be a prudent move on the part of the club, if we are only offering just the one year then there is a certain inevitability that someone out there will offer a two or three year deal on enough money to make them seriously consider a switch. It is, of course, slightly different in the case of 37 year old Chris Hargreaves, who may not find it quite so easy to find a club prepared to commit to a longer deal, unless it involves a dual playing/coaching role perhaps?
If however the club is looking to bring new people in on shorter term deals, then that will put us at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to competing for a players signature. It may well suit players in the mass conurbations, football hotbeds of the South East, North West and the Midlands ... where there are plenty of clubs to choose from ... but to try and persuade an established pro (different for an untried youngster I accept) to shift his family to our little outpost on the strength of a deal lasting 12 months will make Paul Buckle's job very much harder this summer!
One would hope that the board still feels able, and confident enough in the viability of our club to survive in these difficult trading conditions, to offer longer term deals. The policy has proved successful over the last couple of years as it has certainly enabled us to bring in players that otherwise would probably not have joined us. In particular I am thinking of the likes of Chris Todd (3 years), Lee Phillips (3 years), Chris Hargreaves (2 years) and most significantly perhaps Wayne Carlisle(2 years).
As we know, by far and away the main motivation for Wayne Carlisle making the short journey down the A380 was purely and simply because we were able to offer him a 2 year deal (rather than the 1 on offer at Exeter) and he turned down the chance of League football for it - fortunately only 12 months of it though!
Unfortunately I don't think one year deals work for us. If that were to be the strategy then we will more than likely end up returning to the Bateson/Rosenior days when our recruitment was largely built around mass trials in pre season for all the stragglers who hadn't yet picked up a contract.
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Post by aussie on Jun 12, 2009 7:52:14 GMT
What players will also be thinking is ` is it wise to go to a club that is pushing the boat out on contracts or should I go to a stable club where the one year is garranteed and I`ll get a second if I perform well ` Oxford throwing the big contracts around! Is this a wise financial move, could the player be chasing a longer contract at a club destined for administration, it`s no good having a contract for three years if the club is going to go tits up in six months! Perception of the financial climate is key, you will see players chasing the long contracts and make no mistake most of those players I would not want because they are the sort to play well on trial, sign on the bottom line and then sit back and take it easy! In Bucks we trust!
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Post by crispygull on Jun 12, 2009 8:05:38 GMT
What players will also be thinking is ` is it wise to go to a club that is pushing the boat out on contracts or should I go to a stable club where the one year is garranteed and I`ll get a second if I perform well ` Oxford throwing the big contracts around! Is this a wise financial move, could the player be chasing a longer contract at a club destined for administration, it`s no good having a contract for three years if the club is going to go tits up in six months! Perception of the financial climate is key, you will see players chasing the long contracts and make no mistake most of those players I would not want because they are the sort to play well on trial, sign on the bottom line and then sit back and take it easy! In Bucks we trust! To be honest, I would have to say that I don't think most footballers look any further than the money! That may gradually be changing as more and more clubs struggle to pay the bills, but I somehow doubt it. Football is a short term career, dominated by short term thinking, the players go where the money/length of contract/ambition is and I would imagine that the future ability of their employer to meet their wages in the long term is way down the list of considerations when signing a deal.It's not only true of professional footballers either, it's human nature for most people too, but not all I accept. Anyway, as we've seen time and time again, how many clubs actually end up going into liquidation? For all the doom and gloom, by far the vast majority seem to end up going into administration, taking the 10 point hit and surviving relatively unscathed - and in doing so all football clubs have to make sure all their football creditors are paid in full (none of this 10 pence in the pound for them!) and so they nearly always end up getting what is owed to them anyway! |
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