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Post by crispygull on Jun 11, 2009 7:21:52 GMT
I can't see that this is some sort of attempt to "ramp up" the fees for certain of our players myself. None of the supposed targets have even been named! I think Bucks might need a few lessons from Barry Fry if it is indeed an attempt to do that! ;D
Like I say, I just think that if the club are going to put out an update on transfers, it would be nice if it was at least balanced by "news" of how we are progressing in trying to bring players in.
As for who is being targeted, well I guess the obvious ones might be the out of contract players, in particular Benyon and Robertson. You would also think that Nick Wroe may be a target given how his stock has risen over the last few months and certainly someone like Exeter could see him as a direct replacement for Matt Gill - who has now departed for Norwich.
I do wonder though whether Tim Sills might not be one of the targets? The reason being is that there have been two significant (£30k and £40k) bids recently turned down for Ebbsfleet's target man Michael Gash - of the "unnamed" bidders one of them was subsequently revealed as being Luton Town and there are certainly one or two League 2 sides who are also on the lookout for that type of striker - so clearly there are clubs out there with money to spend who are looking for a big target man ... could it be Sills they are now looking at ?
Edit: I notice Morecambe made a higher (£42k) bid for Gash also turned down , and apparently won't go any higher and have turned their attentions elsewhere.
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Post by aussie on Jun 11, 2009 9:23:45 GMT
Can you honestly see Bucks letting go of Sills?
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Post by crispygull on Jun 11, 2009 10:10:57 GMT
Can you honestly see Bucks letting go of Sills? Can you honestly see Man Utd letting go of Ronaldo? Every player has a price.
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Post by buster on Jun 11, 2009 12:04:08 GMT
just a thought.
Read PB`s comments again with a positive mind set.
I interpreted his comments as an attempt to show that people have taken an interest in what we have achieved and that other clubs have recognised what good players we have.
It`s not worth beating yourself up about the comings and goings of employees of Utd. I`m not into speculation, I tried that as a kid with utd and always got my predictions/fears wrong. what will be will be. Everyone must maintain the faith and get behind the club whatever decisions are made.
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Post by mickyflash on Jun 11, 2009 14:34:53 GMT
I can't see that this is some sort of attempt to "ramp up" the fees for certain of our players myself. None of the supposed targets have even been named! I think Bucks might need a few lessons from Barry Fry if it is indeed an attempt to do that! ;D Like I say, I just think that if the club are going to put out an update on transfers, it would be nice if it was at least balanced by "news" of how we are progressing in trying to bring players in. As for who is being targeted, well I guess the obvious ones might be the out of contract players, in particular Benyon and Robertson. ]You would also think that Nick Wroe may be a target given how his stock has risen over the last few months and certainly someone like Exeter could see him as a direct replacement for Matt Gill - who has now departed for Norwich. I do wonder though whether Tim Sills might not be one of the targets? The reason being is that there have been two significant (£30k and £40k) bids recently turned down for Ebbsfleet's target man Michael Gash - of the "unnamed" bidders one of them was subsequently revealed as being Luton Town and there are certainly one or two League 2 sides who are also on the lookout for that type of striker - so clearly there are clubs out there with money to spend who are looking for a big target man ... could it be Sills they are now looking at ? Edit: I notice Morecambe made a higher (£42k) bid for Gash also turned down , and apparently won't go any higher and have turned their attentions elsewhere. Maybe I am Missing Something here, but why would the club receive offers for those players? surly as they our out of contract, the players themselves would receive a contract, and then its up to them which of those contracts they decide to sign. To me it sounded like it is our contracted player, possibly Wroe or Sills who have been attracting attention and causing the board/manager to think seriously.
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Post by aussie on Jun 11, 2009 14:45:02 GMT
Can you honestly see Man Utd letting go of Ronaldo? Yes actually because of the silly money he will fetch, oh look he`s gone to Real for £80,000,000, Sills would be lucky to attract £80,000, now at this level you would then have to replace him with some as good or if not better so you make nothing on it. Man U can buy a top striker for £50-£60 million and have a fat wedge left over or just bring someone through from their kids and save all the money! So therefore the original question is quite absurd! No analogy at all really!
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Post by chelstongull on Jun 11, 2009 15:04:21 GMT
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Post by crispygull on Jun 11, 2009 15:26:55 GMT
I can't see that this is some sort of attempt to "ramp up" the fees for certain of our players myself. None of the supposed targets have even been named! I think Bucks might need a few lessons from Barry Fry if it is indeed an attempt to do that! ;D Like I say, I just think that if the club are going to put out an update on transfers, it would be nice if it was at least balanced by "news" of how we are progressing in trying to bring players in. As for who is being targeted, well I guess the obvious ones might be the out of contract players, in particular Benyon and Robertson. ]You would also think that Nick Wroe may be a target given how his stock has risen over the last few months and certainly someone like Exeter could see him as a direct replacement for Matt Gill - who has now departed for Norwich. I do wonder though whether Tim Sills might not be one of the targets? The reason being is that there have been two significant (£30k and £40k) bids recently turned down for Ebbsfleet's target man Michael Gash - of the "unnamed" bidders one of them was subsequently revealed as being Luton Town and there are certainly one or two League 2 sides who are also on the lookout for that type of striker - so clearly there are clubs out there with money to spend who are looking for a big target man ... could it be Sills they are now looking at ? Edit: I notice Morecambe made a higher (£42k) bid for Gash also turned down , and apparently won't go any higher and have turned their attentions elsewhere. Maybe I am Missing Something here, but why would the club receive offers for those players? surly as they our out of contract, the players themselves would receive a contract, and then its up to them which of those contracts they decide to sign. To me it sounded like it is our contracted player, possibly Wroe or Sills who have been attracting attention and causing the board/manager to think seriously. As both players are under 24 we are entitled to compensation for them. Therefore any club wishing to sign them will, at least in the first instance, try and agree a fee with the selling club. If they cant agree then the fee will be agreed at a tribunal.
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Post by crispygull on Jun 11, 2009 15:30:39 GMT
Can you honestly see Man Utd letting go of Ronaldo? Yes actually because of the silly money he will fetch, oh look he`s gone to Real for £80,000,000, Sills would be lucky to attract £80,000, now at this level you would then have to replace him with some as good or if not better so you make nothing on it. Man U can buy a top striker for £50-£60 million and have a fat wedge left over or just bring someone through from their kids and save all the money! So therefore the original question is quite absurd! No analogy at all really! Like I say, every player has a price though. Bucks has already said that the offers are "serious" which must mean that the club has to consider them. Anyway, ultimately I would suggest that it is not down to Bucks as to whether the club accepts the offer but the Board of Directors - although given how supportive they have been you would expect them to be fully behind whatever decision Bucks makes. If any club were to come in with a bid of £80k for Sills, then I would fully expect the club to take it!
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Post by Dave on Jun 11, 2009 16:06:26 GMT
I really struggle to understand the club at times, we have just won promotion back into the football league, fans have been on a high, a real chance to win back some of the lost fans and what does the club do?
It sets alarm bells ringing when there is probably no need for any concerns, they send out negative messages, when fans are looking for some other kinds of more positive messages.
Let’s be honest what do we really want to hear at this time from the club? Well for me it’s the news that Buckle will do what is necessary to hold onto the best players and the ones he sees will play an important part this coming season. Two that Buckle is looking at a few players he would hope to sign to strengthen the team so that it stands the very best chance of remaining in division two.
So far all we have heard is how the belt needs to be tightened, we have learned that so far four members of staff have left the club. The first one was Sally and due to the timing of her leaving, I felt it was best not to make too much about her leaving at the she did.
We had a Wembley final coming up and really needed to keep our minds fully focussed on that game. As you know I asked Alex Rowe why Sally had left, he gave me his answer, but I still find it hard to believe that Sally would leave one week before a Wembley final and would have chosen to be in the Green Man pub with the fans and not as part of the staff at TUFC.
If it was a career move then I’m sure any new boss worth his salt would have been happy to wait just another week to get such a good new member of staff as Sally surely must be.
The groundsman assistant I can understand, does it take two men to look after the pitch? I would say that in my view the pitch has been first class all season, a far cry from days not that long ago when visiting managers companied about our pitch.
Not being unkind here to our team, but the pitch has been far better than some of the football that was played on it last season, it was a pitch so well suited to a good passing game, you know the sort merse, the ones where you see the game played like it was meant to be played.
Damien Davey was simply offered less money that he was getting paid, so was the club paying him too much before? Are they just looking to make further savings, who knows but he will be a loss and hard to replace with anyone half decent, if your looking to do it on the cheap.
Paul Compton is another strange decision in my book, its not like he was already here when the new board took over, they wanted him just one year ago. I can’t see it having anything to do with money, as the £180.000 they will be getting to run the youth setup, is far more than any sponsorship they were getting. Just what does “ moving in a different direction “ mean.
Its good to see the real positive posters on this forum look at what has been on .com and read nothing but positive things in it. Is it true that Bucks made the statement that clubs were putting in offers on some of our players, as a sort of pat on the back, for all the team achived last season? It that is what he has done it for then someone really needs to look at the clubs PA a bit closer before putting such things on their website.
All it has done has got fans spectualting about all the wrong things, when all they should be talking about is who we are going to sign for this season. Because it really does not make the message very clear, it only sends out the wrong vibes and its not just us who wonder what it all means, its also those floating fans we need to win back.
We know Green can move on as far as Bucks is concerend and I would expect there are clubs who would be more than happy to sigh him. We know Mark Ellis is not a happy bunny and once again I’m sure there are clubs who would snap him up and if both Green and Ellis thought they would stand a better chance to get regualy football next season, they will jump at any move offered.
I understand that some players are holding out signing a new contract and only because they have been offered only one year deals, I do not know it that is the case, its only what I have been told.
If it is true things have changed from two seasons ago when he were happy to offer some players three year contracts. I would think any player offered only a one year contract will get his agent to try and get him a longer contract at another club.
One reason some sign three year deals is just the fact they know they should have a wage coming in for the next three years, only in most cases they will earn a bit less each week than they would have got signing just a one year deal.
All the players here already under contract were happy to sign for a BSP club, they are now in a division two club, so why would any want to leave anyway? The only time a player might leave a club is, one, when the manager wants him to out, two, the player is unhappy and asks to leave, three the club look to sell the player to help out the clubs finaances.
All I hope is that soon we hear the news we are waiting for, some good signings, we should be just looking forward to the coming season and our club should concentrate on winning its lost fans back and not making them think it’s the same old TUFC and queation if Bateson has returned.
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Post by tufc01 on Jun 11, 2009 16:19:10 GMT
Tisdale won't be going to Swansea, Stuart. Put your money on Gary Speed! [glow=yellow,2,300]southampton then, perhaps[/glow] Thats only a case of WHEN, not IF. It might not be this time, but it wont be long. That said, he might feel that now would be a good time. You would think that he has taken Exeter as far as he can take them. Whilst Southampton are struggling financially at the moment, it appears that there are some backers being lined up with a bit of financial clout. It might just appeal to him to rebuild the club that is closest to his heart from scratch and take it back to the Championship, and beyond? There is certainly more potential with Southampton than there is with Exeter. It would also look good on an increasingly impressive CV.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2009 16:24:20 GMT
I've no special insights but what if it's fringe players who are attracting offers because we're trying to move them on in an attempt to bring in better players? Damien Davey was simply offered less money that he was getting paid, so was the club paying him too much before? Are they just looking to make further savings, who knows but he will be a loss and hard to replace with anyone half deacent, if your looking to do it on the cheap. Maybe there's such a decent living to be made in private practice that - for a good physio with a long-standing reputation (such as Damien) - potential earnings are far in excess of what a small professional club should be paying? That's not to deny it's a vital role that shouldn't be done on the cheap. The fact the club is seeking a proper chartered physiotherapist provides grounds for optimism (you wouldn't have seen such a stringent requirement from MB). Both physiotherapy and sports therapy have been very popular career aspirations amongst young people in recent years and some really high-quality professionals are being turned out by the courses. Unfortunately the supply has exceeded the demand in recent years which means that, perversely, Torquay United should benefit from good candidates being on the market. An experienced person would be preferable, of course, but I bet even a newly-qualified practitioner has twenty times the knowledge and expertise of the old-fashioned rubber sponge and smelling salts merchants. Paul Compton is another strange decision in my book, its not like he was already here when the new board took over, they wanted him just one year ago. I can’t see it having anything to do with money, as the £180.000 they will be getting to run the youth setup, is far more than any sponsorship they were getting. Just what does “ moving in a different direction “ mean. Agreed it's an interesting one and it's tempting to speculate whether it's about styles and personalities. It not being an money issue may be a fair point but, equally, it may be the case that the youth development money isn't ring-fenced to be spent on that purpose alone. Perhaps it just goes into the kitty? I stand to be enlightened. When this type of event happens I reflect on my own personal history. I left an employer after twenty years but was soon invited to return by a new team of managers. It was a complete disaster and I was gone again within three months. Poor management? Partly. My own shortcomings and general attitude? Largely. Hard to draw conclusions, I'm afraid.
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Post by mickyflash on Jun 11, 2009 16:49:40 GMT
Maybe I am Missing Something here, but why would the club receive offers for those players? surly as they our out of contract, the players themselves would receive a contract, and then its up to them which of those contracts they decide to sign. To me it sounded like it is our contracted player, possibly Wroe or Sills who have been attracting attention and causing the board/manager to think seriously. As both players are under 24 we are entitled to compensation for them. Therefore any club wishing to sign them will, at least in the first instance, try and agree a fee with the selling club. If they cant agree then the fee will be agreed at a tribunal. Thanks Crispy, I should of known that now shouldnt I!
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Post by Rob on Jun 11, 2009 18:06:26 GMT
It does not appear we are actively seeking anyone until the ink is dry on Robertson, Benyon and Hargreaves from this latest press release. In its tone, a far cry from the announcement of Colin Lee last month.(eg: 4 or 5 new players/£ to go on squad strengthening etc..)
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Post by Dave on Jun 11, 2009 18:31:58 GMT
It does not appear we are actively seeking anyone until the ink is dry on Robertson, Benyon and Hargreaves from this latest press release. In its tone, a far cry from the announcement of Colin Lee last month.(eg: 4 or 5 new players/£ to go on squad strengthening etc..) I agree Rob and it does say IF he then feels he needs to bring players in he will.The problem I have with that is that we found out to our cost the last time we got promoted, you need to strengthen your side when you move up a division. As much as I like the players we have, I do not think without a few more better quality players added to the team, that they will have much success. I know we have talked about all the money put into getting us back into the league, but it would be foolish in my view to risk coming back down again, by failing to add a few better players to the squad.
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