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Post by tufc01 on Mar 13, 2009 23:43:44 GMT
Why is that some people automatically blame the club, management, board or Paul Buckle, whenever anything like this happens?
Is it not possible that a player might have known his contract was up at the end of the season and sought, rather over eagerly, to try and get it renewed on similar terms.
Is it not possible that the player may have thought rather more of himself than he really should have. Therefore is it possible that the player then tried the emotional black mail route of threatening to walk if they didn't get the contract? then threw his toys out of the cot and walked?
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Post by tufc01 on Mar 14, 2009 0:19:12 GMT
Merse If PB has exercised strong managerial skills, do you think it would [glow=yellow,2,300]help or hinder him [/glow]if the board issued a statement? buster I know it was addressed to Merse, but if I may i would suggest that it would neither help nor hinder, in fact i don't think it would make any difference whatsoever. You see, there will always be two sides to every story. As individuals we will always chose the side that we would like to believe, whether that be the truth or not, its human nature. Even if the board put out a story absolving them selves from any part of it (again, whether it was the truth or not), there will be some who will say its a cover up or lies. Therefore what would the board gain from making any statement at all. |
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Post by petergodfrey on Mar 14, 2009 0:38:59 GMT
Sorry jmgull, can't go along with that - as far as can see Woods always gives his absolute all and that means putting himself about where it hurts if necessary; an undeserved slur if you ask me !
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Post by khilllegend on Mar 14, 2009 8:03:37 GMT
oh go away am highly p***** off after today finding out what they did to woodsy ! like you know the in's and out's! , You're quite right I don't know the "in's" and "out's". How in christ's name you can post your hysteria and expect us to accept it is beyond me I'm afraid. If you can't divulge the real details, keep it to yourself, its not right to stir up a hornet's nest a day before an important game. Steve Woods has given us good service since he's been here, but as with every football club the club is bigger than the player. Every player has a certain shelf life. I hope he's helped in developing the likes of Robertson and Ellis in the same way as the likes of Vince Overson helped to develop him during his time as a trainee at Stoke City. I'll remember him for his bullet header from a corner at Cheltenham in the promotion season. The exocet like clearance at Root's Hall which sent the crowd diving for cover or even a pre-season friendly at Bideford using his professional footballer influence to make sure the lino gave him every offside decision by shouting at him "get your flag up, you f**king ar$e". The poor lino was too scared not obey him. I'll wish him all the best. I can't remember such hysteria when he was about to be farmed off to Truro earlier in the season. Women are far too irrational to understand football anyway.  there are no other forums i can vent my anger out in hope someone from the club actuallys reads these threads and understands that fans gets upset |
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Post by merse on Mar 14, 2009 8:23:25 GMT
there are no other forums i can vent my anger out in hope someone from the club actuallys reads these threads and understands that fans gets upset  That should be quantified as SOME fans get upset, if you compare the number of fans showing upset on this forum, it's a small minority of those who have logged on in the past twenty four hours Anna. In fact I would go as far to say that it is a very small minority and no doubt there is someone on here who can come up with a statistically based percentage You are saying this is the only forum where you hope "someone from the club" will read this................are you therefore inferring that "no-one from the club" will read your postings on another site then? I've personally heard the Chairman state quite categorically that he never , nor would he ever read these sites.....................make of that what you will but I know that many professionals in the game are making a point of totally ignoring fans' message boards these days owing to the unnecessary vitriol many of then contain. Most fans' message boards only attract a minority of fans anyway, and whilst I can't be arsed to work out the average percentage of the fan base of OUR club who frequent this site; I would estimate this site attracting roughly five per cent of the club's average home gate to it's deliberations....................would there be a consensus of opinion on that folks? I'm not denigrating this site, far from it; merely suggesting we keep a sense of perspective about all this and putting up claims like "fans get upset" that might get construed as meaning that ALL the fans get upset. |
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Post by jmgull on Mar 14, 2009 8:32:04 GMT
Sorry jmgull, can't go along with that - as far as can see Woods always gives his absolute all and that means putting himself about where it hurts if necessary; an undeserved slur if you ask me ! Fair enough Peter......maybe it is a bit of an undeserved slur, it wasn't my intention to rubbish the guy, i can see that it might come across as so. I do believe though, when you consider his undoubted footballing ability for a centre half.......the reason that he has spent the best part of his career at our level and not played any higher is that there was something missing from his game......that something is what i was talking about. |
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 14, 2009 8:51:09 GMT
Have to agree with Merse.... let's be honest, message forums are a great way for like minded people to sit at a computer and discuss something they all have an interest in, but there has to be care taken that those involved don't become so full of their own importance that they think they are the be-all and end-all of supporter feeling. We are not... We are but a very small group who all seem to get on and enjoy the benefits that chatting on this site brings but we aren't a 'supporters group' or a 'fans united' trying to change the ways of our club.
I know for a fact that there are a number of people on here who would consider themselves friends or aquaintances of those who have far more say in the running of our club and probably know a fair bit more about what is going on at the club than they let on but don't divulge it as it is often discussed in trust and not for general consumption. That's another thing I particularly enjoy about this forum, as opposed to the 'other' one, is there is no 'I know more than you' arguing which only bolsters false rumour and incorrect innuendo.
Why should the Chairman come on here, or onto dot.net, and read the views of a minority of people? Maybe he feels that the views shown on both sites are so diverse that to do so would only cause confusion on what the supporters posting actually feel! If everytime a topic was discussed and fans put forward the changes that they feel are needed and are expecting the board to heed their advice the poor souls in charge would be running around in circles, burying their heads in the sand, shinning up the flag pole, down again, sacking Buckle, reinstating him, resigning themselves, coming back on board, tearing up players contracts and ending up playing themselves, and let's be honest, Eric Coote in goal? Tony Carter in midfield? The Boyce brothers hogging the two wings? James O'Dwyer at centre forward? I think not....!
You could say that those who regularly post are the equivalent of a group that meet in the pub to discuss the game, the club and the players. Why would they consider having a voice that persuades the management, board and others to change their views?
Have a rant, have a rave, blame all and sundry but don't be so naive to think that 'the management' will twist and turn to the tune of a few opinionated supporters.
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Post by Dave on Mar 14, 2009 8:52:20 GMT
I certainly hope you are not denigrating this site merse, but you are starting to sound like someone you know well, by trying to use numbers. He claimed that a poll on here was only a small percentage of fans who support the club, therefore the results were meaning less.
By your augment all views on the forum do not reflect the views of the fans who do not use forums, I suggest you come down and spend a week talking to non-forum fans at the ground, you may just find there views are much the same and in many cases, they have even stronger views.
To say people at the club would not wish to read the forum, only highlights the fact that they have no real interest in their fans, only taking their money on the gates. You only need to look at some of the people who are members on here, are you telling me their views and opinions are worthless and that the club should not listen to the views of of its fans.
I'm disappointed in your remarks that try to rubbish forums or their worths to those who use them, maybe if this club took some time to try and form a better bond with its fans and not hide themselves away, we might just see gates of over 2000 at Plainmoor again.
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Post by andygulls on Mar 14, 2009 8:55:54 GMT
Things are getting bad when I agree with Merse twice in the space of a few hours Even I would scroll past a stat on the percentage of people who get upset on these boards  There are many I know who read this site and are long time devotees of TUFC. They rarely, if ever, post but hold views that may sometimes agree with the majority view held on this site and will sometimes not. I agree with Merse that it is not possible to gain a proper perspective of "fans" views from just reading on-line forums. I do think however that the fact that the information, accurate or not, good or bad, is in the public domain creates a handling issue for the Board and management of TUFC that they have not yet fully grasped successfully. The position on Steve Woods is a case in point. In this day and age a "leak" of information from a disgruntled employee is always a strong possibility and many people will come to see a side of the story even if they are not publicly commenting on it. The club has to judge when it might be best suited to try to control the information release and when to let the steam run out of the issue. If we win to day and go on to make the playoffs or even challenge for the title will anyone really remember Steve Woods and the current issue? In reality is will only get looked at in future as a retrospective when things do not go according to plan and we (the fan) want to have an attempt at showing how clever we are at recognising the warning signs that surely should have been seen as evidence that something was wrong  Where, in my view, the club have made a mistake here, assuming the whole story to be true, is to leave a match preview for todays game containing Steve Woods name in the squad list and (on the assumption that a previous post on this thread recalls accurately a conversation had with TUFC staff) issue a denial of the position verbally that is in effect a blatant lie. There are ways of handling these things and the club and executive management appear to be somewhat naive in its approach |
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Post by Dave on Mar 14, 2009 8:58:08 GMT
Its posts and remarks like yours BudleighGull that make fans who use forums feel they they are not really very important as fans, just made my mind up for me what I will be doing today and that is now watching my son play this afternoon.
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 14, 2009 9:08:25 GMT
I think you may've got what I was trying to say a little wrong Dave. What I was trying to get across is that I feel that forums are a great vehicle for people with the same interests to get together and discuss the issues, but the opinions garnered are so diverse that if the Chairman was to log on on a regular basis and read all that is written he would end up in some confusion as to what the fans are thinking. I know for a fact that a number of board members read what is written on the message boards and take it on 'board', but I also know that the antics of a few on 'the other side' have caused a problem for those in charge and made them feel that there is little point trying to create an actual relationship. I would certainly not deginarate this board as I think it is a quite fantastic thing and does allow supporters to express their feelings but, whether rightly or wrongly, we can't expect it to be a place that the Chairman logs onto for advice.
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Post by Budleigh on Mar 14, 2009 9:10:27 GMT
I was more being a little critical of those who post and insist that the board take note of what they say and do something about it, and if they don't they must be imbeciles and morons, as a certain young lady seems to feel... That, I believe, is the wrong attitude..
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Post by chrish on Mar 14, 2009 9:13:01 GMT
, You're quite right I don't know the "in's" and "out's". How in christ's name you can post your hysteria and expect us to accept it is beyond me I'm afraid. If you can't divulge the real details, keep it to yourself, its not right to stir up a hornet's nest a day before an important game. Steve Woods has given us good service since he's been here, but as with every football club the club is bigger than the player. Every player has a certain shelf life. I hope he's helped in developing the likes of Robertson and Ellis in the same way as the likes of Vince Overson helped to develop him during his time as a trainee at Stoke City. I'll remember him for his bullet header from a corner at Cheltenham in the promotion season. The exocet like clearance at Root's Hall which sent the crowd diving for cover or even a pre-season friendly at Bideford using his professional footballer influence to make sure the lino gave him every offside decision by shouting at him "get your flag up, you f**king ar$e". The poor lino was too scared not obey him. I'll wish him all the best. I can't remember such hysteria when he was about to be farmed off to Truro earlier in the season. Women are far too irrational to understand football anyway. there are no other forums i can vent my anger out in hope someone from the club actuallys reads these threads and understands that fans gets upset and yet you posted exactly the same post on dot.net. Did Paul Buckle wake up with a bloody horse's head in his bed this morning? |
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Post by merse on Mar 14, 2009 9:19:37 GMT
I'm not denigrating this site, far from it; merely suggesting we keep a sense of perspective about all this and putting up claims like "fans get upset" that might get construed as meaning that ALL the fans get upset. If that isn't clear enough for you Dave, I don't know what could be. No-one is closer to members of the board on here than BudleighGull and his last post encompasses perfectly the situation and the need for those charged with the day to day running of OUR club and those who have personally invested in OUR club as business need to keep a clear head and maintain a sense of rising above the turmoil of debate at times. Just as I stated that the Chairman categorically stated his refusal to view this or any other forum, both I and yourself know of board members who do in fact read this site. Your outburst in relation to my last post does you no service, makes you appear as though you hold a self perceived importance which in turn ill serves the very important role THIS site holds in the day to day life of OUR football club. I don't doubt there are plenty of fans who come to matches who hold strong feelings, fans who have no wish to publicly make their feelings known, who derive their information and dissipate it as they see fit.........................I respect that and I respect them, but as one former football club director once said to me: " I don't believe in the Great Democratic Republic Of Football Supporters, at the end of the day there are those who talk and those who do; and those who talk usually make a lot more noise than those who do"Let those charged with running OUR club get on with it, let them come to an agreement with the player concerned and then await the official news break. What will happen is that ( if the player is leaving) a settlement will be arranged and agreed upon by both parties and he will more than likely receive a payment up front now and a closing payment in six months time that may or may not equate to the projected earnings he might have reasonably expected or a percentage thereof.....................that's how it has been done in football for many a year, and that's what I guess is going on right now.. |
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Post by pikeygull on Mar 14, 2009 9:25:05 GMT
Bloody Hell Dave. Put your toys back in the pram and get up to Plainmoor and support YOUR team.
Budliegh is not have a go at you in anyway. We all love this forum and appreiciate all the hard work you have done for it. He is just pointing out the views of the club management on how they would treat opinions on here, and he's right.
Now our club needs all the support now for the 5 regular games left this season. You can watch Ant next week and all the remaining midweek games he probably has left to play. But today please make another effort to get back up to Plainmoor.
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