Mark L
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Post by Mark L on Mar 13, 2009 17:03:44 GMT
well hehe i just rang the club and apparently he is still there but is injured and unavailable tommorrow and they said if he had have left they would make a full statement lol trust me i had to do it! so now what? If that is what they are saying then maybe someone higher up has stepped in and is now trying to reverse the action that has been taken. Or someone's winding you up, surely?
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Mar 13, 2009 17:12:41 GMT
jmgull as someone who has captained a team, I would not expect you to look through any sentimental eyes, you would only pick a team to play under you based on how well they would do in your team.
I'm looking through my supporters eyes and to me the team is not just eleven faceless man out on a football pitch. There will be sometimes when a player is brought in just to do a job short term, say if we need to try and stay up, but there will be players who due to their time spent with the club, will be more than just someone in a TUFC shirt.
While I'm not suggesting that any thing has been done wrong here by the club, there has always been a part of football I have never ever liked. I have seem good loyal players moved out of the club and so often for no real good reason, we have seem players that have been badly treated by the club and one recent player was Kevin Hill.
Woods has been a good honest and committed player at our club and while he may not have scored all the gaols you may have liked, he should be leaving in a proper and decent fashion that fully recognizes and rewards all he as done for the club.
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Post by Dave on Mar 13, 2009 17:15:38 GMT
Mark Lovis that is indeed a possibility, but I have heard it from too many people who I know would be in the know, at the end of the day if it is all just nonsense then I will be happy that we have not lost Woods.
PS I would add there is a member on here who is a member on another fourm and one who would know, his post on that one last night was in defence of the club, this is a person who would have been shouting from the roof tops, if this was not true.
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Post by khilllegend on Mar 13, 2009 17:47:44 GMT
I CAN CONFIRM FROM A VERY RELIABLE SOURCE THAT STEVE WOODS LEFT THE CLUB YESTERDAY AND THE WEBSITE WILL NOT PUBLISH IT DUE TO EMBARRASMENT WOODS HAS LEFT THE BUILDING FOR GOOD
CAN NOT COMMENT ON THE REASONS AS IT WIL CAUSE PROBLEMS LETS WAIT AND SEE WHAT .COM SAY
RIP STEVE WOODS YOU LOYAL SERVANT XXXXXXXXXXX
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Post by paulr on Mar 13, 2009 17:52:32 GMT
I for one hope this RUMOUR is untrue. Does anyone know that this is FACT? It never ceases to amaze me how quick people are to jump on a bandwagon and fuel speculation. I think its only fair to all parties to await confirmation of Steve's position. As stated, I hope it is untrue but if not,lets not throw blame at Paul Buckle or anyone else for that matter until FACTS are known. To those stating it is true, say where you got your information from or say nothing! More harm is done to the team through this sort of speculation than by the so called parties that are at loggerheads! There are times that by saying nothing the Club are doing a favour for the person leaving as to make public, reasons that are essentially private, may jeopardize any further employment for that person!
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Post by khilllegend on Mar 13, 2009 17:53:34 GMT
he has left as of yesterday trust me x
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Post by jmgull on Mar 13, 2009 17:56:22 GMT
jmgull as someone who has captained a team, I would not expect you to look through any sentimental eyes, you would only pick a team to play under you based on how well they would do in your team. I'm looking through my supporters eyes and to me the team is not just eleven faceless man out on a football pitch. There will be sometimes when a player is brought in just to do a job short term, say if we need to try and stay up, but there will be players who due to their time spent with the club, will be more than just someone in a TUFC shirt. While I'm not suggesting that any thing has been done wrong here by the club, there has always been a part of football I have never ever liked. I have seem good loyal players moved out of the club and so often for no real good reason, we have seem players that have been badly treated by the club and one recent player was Kevin Hill. Woods has been a good honest and committed player at our club and while he may not have scored all the gaols you may have liked, he should be leaving in a proper and decent fashion that fully recognizes and rewards all he as done for the club. Dave You've missed my point completely I'm as sentimental as the next guy i promise you ......i was sad when hilly left too, in my head, i knew he wasn't quite up to playing in a promotion winning side.......however, i really wanted the club to give him another year or two just for the fact that he bled yellow and blue and would die for the cause..... As a captain, even though in a different sport the same principles apply....i often favoured the totally committed "team player" over the more talented but maybe "iffy" under pressure one. I always felt you got better results in the long run, with 11 blokes who would fight hard for the club and each other, rather than more skillful players....that needed to be on their game to perform. I just have an opinion on Woods that differs from you, and probably the vast majority of our fans........his lack of goalscoring threat from corners, despite always being up there says to me that this is a guy that doesn't attack the ball enough or is reluctant to stick his head into a scramble on the line......a la Todd, Ellis, Robertson and the best of all at that.... Steve Cooper. Likewise in defence, Ellis, Robertson, Hodges and Todd in my opinion are much more likely, in my opinion, to throw themselves in front of the ball or at someone's feet to prevent a goal. Woods was a tidier, more skilful defender than the rest of the above......to the naked eye he always looked more composed and assured too.....i'm not trying to rubbish his career, he played many, many excellent games for us - like i said earlier i just prefer (at this level especially) the other "type" of centre half. As someone who would give absolutely everything for you in a desperate situation? with Woods........sorry mate, i was never convinced.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Mar 13, 2009 17:59:46 GMT
paulr, I'm not the sort who would start a rumour and that is why I put a question mark on my first post on this thread. Since then I have had many make contact with me and two of them I feel really would know If this was true or not. As I said if its wrong then I'll be very happy, but there are two many people who would be in the know, who seem to be in the know, if that makes sense. ;D
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Post by paulr on Mar 13, 2009 18:06:18 GMT
It makes sense Dave, but as you know, there are often very good reasons for the Club not going public and quite often those reasons are to actually protect the player concerned eg Raynor.
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merse
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Post by merse on Mar 13, 2009 18:29:17 GMT
I think we all know it is do with Woods being out of contract at the end of the season, some believe he was told he would not be offered a new contract, why there is talk that he was told it was not up for discussion until the end of the season.No good Merse saying some things must remain inside the club, yes there will always be some things that much I agree, but we have lost our captain and best defender at a time when we really have a chance to go for promotion. Dave, I really wish you would pay attention and not make comment that is factually incorrect. As I posted before, contracts that are due to expire ARE up for discussion sixth months prior to the expiry date. This has been achieved on the players' behalf by the PFA and really it in effect gives them the chance to seek further employment if they are to be leaving a club, or seek alternative offers to the one they are in receipt of from their current employers. In Woods case this period arrived in January with his contract ending in June. This invariably leads to many players all over the country effectively "playing out" their time, one hopes in a professional and responsible manner. Unfortunately this has not been the case with Mr Woods who's subsequent attitude and negative influence has been causing problems and a meeting was arranged to try and resolve his dissatisfaction before it became a major distraction to the rest of the squad - unfortunately Mr Woods reaction was not the reaction that was expected of a "senior pro'" and he has subsequently been made an offer to terminate his contract. I don't see this as any great drama, a player who can best be described as competent and somewhat long serving AND still on a very good remuneration has been informed that those terms are no longer available to him on completion of his current contract. His subsequent conduct has not been conducive to a good working relationship and his employers have decided to terminate his contract NOW. There's no need for sentiment, there's no need for concern; we have five rather good central defenders in the club - three of these need the opportunity to establish themselves and hopefully develop into better ones. Don't forget that ninety per cent of a players "working time" is on the training ground where we do not see them, so objective views on his value to the club cannot really be made based purely on match time. Steve Woods is merely a player who has come to the end of his useful life to his employer - just as happens to every other player in the game when the time arrives. He's been remarkably well paid for a Conference player who has TWICE been part of previous relegation. Competent rather than particularly good, and certainly not great. More at ease at the current level than ever he was in League 1, and still prone to the same errors that he was making when he arrived here. He COULD have opted to settle down and put himself in the shop window to any clubs who showed interest from his name being circulated as it would have done, but it appears that he has opted NOT to.................more his loss than ours I would say.
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Post by andygulls on Mar 13, 2009 18:37:47 GMT
I might not always agree with Merse, but on this subject I do.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Mar 13, 2009 18:42:47 GMT
Believe me I do pay pay attention merse and that remark was just one of many put to me, since then I have been given a view that could just be one from inside the club. At the end of the day the good of the club and the team must always come first in my mind.
It is no surprise that you would state that Woods will not be missed, we all know your views on him, some are justified, but his contribution to the team this season has in my view been first class.
As I said in a post above this one, maybe there is an outside chance that things might be resolved, it would be just that an outside one and would explain why the club want to deny that Woods has gone at this time.
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merse
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Post by merse on Mar 13, 2009 18:44:47 GMT
I would also add pereferance for the type of centre half that JMGull has championed. If anyone ever told me they were a centre half or centre forward, I have always subconsciously looked straight at their eyebrows and nose for confirmation of the tell tale scarring and dis-figuration. If I was a manager and you didn't have it you wouldn't be signing for my club pal! Mind you the way the ball has often shot off Woodsie's head at a funny angle led me to question whether or not he has a normally shaped bonce! ;D
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Post by Dave on Mar 13, 2009 18:47:39 GMT
khilllegend, dear lady can I please ask that you do not post in capitals, as on a forum it is taken as that you are shouting at people Steve Woods is not dead and only left the club, so should you be putting VIP on your post?
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Mar 13, 2009 19:01:50 GMT
Justin I'm not at all surprised I missed your point completely, It seems I do it every single time with the points Merse makes.
I do agree with most of what you have said and as someone who would have needed to pick a winning team, I can understand where you are coming from.
I'm just a person who has always liked Steve Woods and while he has short comings in his game, I have always felt he always did his best out on the pitch.
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