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Post by jmgull on Jun 7, 2009 18:26:29 GMT
....dave Its nothing to do with being pro or anti buckle, that ol' chestnut you keep trotting out is getting boring  ......Of course the majority of that era are better players than we now have in the main, Sills deserves a place on the bench ahead of Hockley. Who else would pick a team from the last 8 years that included Woods himself, Dearden, Bedeau and Cannoville?  Woods' bleating in the paper of late have been more akin to a jilted teenager than an experienced pro. |
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Post by iphgull on Jun 8, 2009 9:15:16 GMT
Dave
It may not be a bad effort but the inclusion of Bedeau is quite surprising. This is a guy who could not get a regular place in the side last year at a time when he should actually have been in his prime. The keeper choice is staggering whilst the choice of Hockers ahead of Hargreaves is hard to understand and I won’t even start to consider how Woods feels able to select himself when, for example, he could have gone for Matthew Lockwood.
The more I think about it, the happier I am that Woods has not been involved in team selection.
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Post by merse on Jun 8, 2009 15:27:53 GMT
I won’t even start to consider how Woods feels able to select himself when, for example, he could have gone for Matthew Lockwood.  Who............ Matt Lockwood never played for us or am I missing a joke here? The last I heard of him he was on loan to Barnet from Colchester last season.  |
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Post by romfordkev on Jun 8, 2009 15:38:41 GMT
I won’t even start to consider how Woods feels able to select himself when, for example, he could have gone for Matthew Lockwood. Who............ Matt Lockwood never played for us or am I missing a joke here? The last I heard of him he was on loan to Barnet from Colchester last season. Think the Lockwood you're looking for is ADAM.  He had a 9 game loan spell with us (from Yeovil) back in November 2005 - January 2006............scored 3 goals as well!!  |
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Post by merse on Jun 8, 2009 15:42:16 GMT
Think the Lockwood you're looking for is ADAM. Well anyone would have been better than "Laurel & Hardy" |
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Post by romfordkev on Jun 8, 2009 15:45:37 GMT
Just a thought with regards to this thread and it's title - which started way back in March, and is still dribbling on in June....... ISN'T IT ABOUT TIME WE LAID THIS THREAD TO REST?? WOODS HAS GONE..............MOVE ON FFS!!  |
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Post by Enzo on Jun 9, 2009 9:17:39 GMT
Just a thought with regards to this thread and it's title - which started way back in March, and is still dribbling on in June....... ISN'T IT ABOUT TIME WE LAID THIS THREAD TO REST?? WOODS HAS GONE..............MOVE ON FFS!! You are wasting your time buddy. This particular feud has gone on since way beyond March........although not quite as long as a dislike of St Albans! As for the latest development, an all time favourite 11 is a thread which crops up time and time again on forums. I think it is quite good of the Independent to ask a player who was around as long as Steve Woods to pick the best 11 that he has played with - as these things go, it is only natural for said player to include himself in the team. Thats part of the whole point! Rather than read too much into someones apparent ego and bitterness just be thankful that the dreadful paper has covered this and not some report about an Argyle under 12s match being called off. For the position we were in, this seasons squad did very well indeed. It may well have acheived something that is far more significant in terms of TUFC's history, but, with respect that wasn't the question was it? To suggest that any of the present squad would get anywhere near that promotion winning side of 03/04 let alone a select 11/15 over the last 8 years or so is just stupid in my opinion. The difference is massive. Sills ahead of, or even as back up to, either Graham or Akinfenwa?? Do me a favour! I am a massive fan of Sills and have stuck up for him when others have questioned his application and bottle - at this level he has been superb. At league two level (where Graham scored 23 goals in our promotion season) he is unproven to say the least although some Oxford and Hereford fans would suggest I am being kind. At League 1 level (where Akinfenwa scored around 18 goals) he would be way out of his depth. The natural assumption when these "11"s are compiled is that the players are judged when playing at their best. It's sad when players continue playing and what was once hero status becomes a laurel and hardy label. For the end of the 02/03 season and the whole of the 03/04 season the defensive partership of Woods and Taylor was better than anything I have seen playing for Torquay - maybe Saunders and Elliott could rival them, but certainly nothing from this seasons team would get near them. Lockwood was a decent signing for us, but he played eight games! Get real ffs. The next Laurel or hardy label could well be applied to Todd, Hargreaves, Sills. These palyers may well be exposed in the same way that some were exposed at League 1 level. It would not diminish in my eyes what they acheived this year, but some fans have short memories............and some have very long, but highly selective memories! I can't recall us all belly aching about Kevin Dearden's height when he was playing for us. If that is all there is to goal keeping then Poke must be terrible. Again Poke and Bevan are largely unproven at league level. I hope Bevs continues to look as strong, but even fans on here have nagging doubts about him. It is only natural for fans to disagree when selecting our favourite teams. Perfectly natural as opposed to Steve Woods being up himself or deluded. Personally, I think Andy Marriott was about the best keeper I have seen during this period. Had we got him earlier in our relegation from Division one season (instead of the other 6 keepers!) we'd have stayed up. I was never a fan of Hockley and wouldn't trust him to do the half time raffle, I'd probably also seek to try and include Zebs ahead of Bedeau in the starting line up. |
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Post by aussie on Jun 9, 2009 9:39:32 GMT
How many players are in the Prem or Championship that came through non-league? Quite a few, so to suppose that just because you`ve been playing conference football automatically makes you completely incapable of making a step up ONE division is possibly one of the STUPIDEST things I have ever heard or read, football doesn`t change that dramatically from one division to the next. Yes a team at the bottom of the conference would get battered by a team from the top of league two, but a team at the top of the conference would have a very good chance of turning over a team at the bottom of league two, you could even epand that a bit and it would still work, ask Blackpool and Cov!
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Post by Enzo on Jun 9, 2009 10:00:46 GMT
How many players are in the Prem or Championship that came through non-league? Quite a few, so to suppose that just because you`ve been playing conference football automatically makes you completely incapable of making a step up ONE division is possibly one of the STUPIDEST things I have ever heard or read, football doesn`t change that dramatically from one division to the next. Yes a team at the bottom of the conference would get battered by a team from the top of league two, but a team at the top of the conference would have a very good chance of turning over a team at the bottom of league two, you could even epand that a bit and it would still work, ask Blackpool and Cov! Where have I said that players are incapable of making the step up? Thats the point - we don't know yet, so to include them in an 11 ahead of players who have been proven at a higher level would be wrong, in my opinion. When we were promoted to Div 1, the step up proved too great for Taylor, Gritton, Hockley...........for some of our players this step up will be too great whilst others will be fine. I mentioned that Sills would be out of his depth in League 1. That is based on his chronic lack of speed, his general finishing ability with his feet and his previous experience in League football. Hopefully he will prove me wrong. |
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Post by davethegull on Jun 9, 2009 10:04:26 GMT
I think the point was rather than making them "completely incapable" more proven or unproven. Which Sills isn't whereas Graham and Akinfenwa definitely are. The current team would lose 9 times out of 10 to our Div 1 promotion team without doubt.
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Post by aussie on Jun 9, 2009 10:19:48 GMT
Yes we do Enzo, to a dergree, quite a few would make it a level above but maybe not two levels above, some would definately not make any step up at all, blend in a few good signings with what we have and we will easily hold our own, change half the squad and I feel we could almost push for promotion again, budget allowing of course, have you guys read todays H.E? Looks like we might just be happy for consolidation unless P.B. is awesome on the transfer front!
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Post by davethegull on Jun 9, 2009 10:50:03 GMT
To be honest aussie, i would take consolidation if it were offered to me right now. Although a flirt with the playoffs to keep it interesting would be a bonus. But you never know, a dollop of luck and.............??
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Post by aussie on Jun 9, 2009 11:20:03 GMT
I didn`t know luck came in dollops, but yeah I`d be happy with a little flirt with the play-offs or consolidation at the moment!
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Post by merse on Jun 9, 2009 14:03:12 GMT
I think the point was rather than making them "completely incapable" more proven or unproven. Which Sills isn't whereas Graham and Akinfenwa definitely are. The current team would lose 9 times out of 10 to our Div 1 promotion team without doubt. On a point of order Dave, the Lge 1 side was very much a RELEGATION side it was the Lge 2 side that was a promotion one! I am much happier going into next season with a side comprising largely of "non league winners" rather than "Football League deadbeats".......................if you look at three of the four Lge 2 promotion winning clubs last season: Brentford, Gillingham and Exeter all had a very significant percentage of "non league" but upwardly mobile players and I would trust our immediate prospects with just such a squad and in fact I would be quite happy to see the majority, if not ALL; of any new recruits come in from the non league ranks. Akinfenwa is a good point in question: I was quite familiar with him as a non league player and was horrified when we signed him, but believe it or not he had shed a bucket load of weight to make the effort at the full time professional game with us and to his credit he did the business. All credit to him because if you had seen what I had during his time at Barry Town and before at Kingstonian (I believe) you would not have been happy when we took a punt on him! Don't deride players because they are "non league" the BSP is far more competitive and cut throat than League 2 and it takes a certain quality to even survive at that level let alone succeed as a player. Some of these "downwardly spiraling" players in League 2 wouldn't know what's hit them...................how long have Davey Graham or Lee Canoville lasted in that take no prisoners environment? Not long is it! |
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......Of course the majority of that era are better players than we now have in the main, Sills deserves a place on the bench ahead of Hockley.
