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Post by tufc01 on Apr 20, 2009 22:09:37 GMT
[glow=yellow,2,300]I can't really see what good it will do and I thought we had moved on from the Steve Woods saga.[/glow] I don't think people have moved on from the Woods 'saga'. Some are obviously still giving their 'sympathy' vote to Woods as he is, unbelievably, still leading the voting for Player of the Season. Whatever you think of Woods, or about the rights & wrongs of his moving on. There can be only one reason why he is leading and it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with his contribution on the pitch. You can't tell me he is more deserving of the award than someone like Bevan or Sills? |
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Post by Dave on Apr 20, 2009 22:20:05 GMT
tufc01. I meant moved on from the reasons he is no longer at the club, I have never made a secret of the fact I like Steve Woods and the fact is he did play very well this season for us. If he had remained then if he had maintained the form he was showing, he may well have got my vote.
Merse told a story that I believe was very far from the truth, but then we all know what he thinks of Steve Woods. The reason I never posted about the meeting when I first knew about it, was only because there was still a slim hope that a way forward could be found to keep him at the club.
It is also a fact as far as I'm concerned that we have missed him at the back, our defense is not so assured without him and I hope it does not come down to us not getting in the play-offs and it being used against Bucks, because believe me it will by some fans.
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Post by merse on Apr 21, 2009 2:55:45 GMT
Merse told a story that I believe was very far from the truth, but then we all know what he thinks of Steve Woods. The reason I never posted about the meeting when I first knew about it, was only because there was still a slim hope that a way forward could be found to keep him at the club. ..............................................and I hope it does not come down to us not getting in the play-offs and it being used against Bucks, because believe me it will by some fans.  Indeed belief, based on what we are told and by whom; is the operative description is it not Dave? I wished to show that the whole scenario was the making of the player rather than the manager as has been implied by most of the posters on the HE site, several on here and many on another site. No doubt there are other players in a similar situation to Woods, if not at OUR club then at other clubs; and this particular subject had started to be used as yet another stick to beat the manager with way back in January when we where still in the F.A. Cup.....................perhaps certain people smelt extra money coming into the club and put two and two together but got their sums wrong ~ who knows? Even if it did "come down to us not getting in the play offs", the club cannot and must not allow a situation whereby players call the shots on management issues rather than those employed to deal with such matters. If you want a good illustration of what happens when THAT is allowed to develop in a club, read up on the QPR saga in the period since Flavio Briatori has owned the club and count the number of managers (4) who have come and gone in the twelve months since he and his business associates took control. Of course, there well might have been an ingrained "culture" of the Chairman being too familiar with the players, and in the case of Steve Woods; being the only player still at the club from from that time in our past incorrectly guessing he could approach matters in that fashion. You say "we all know what he thinks of Steve Woods" as if you imply that I have a personal dislike of him when (as Sue Powell so correctly says) I do not know him. That is not the crux of the matter, what is the crux is that at a properly run club, the manager manages , the directors formulate the policies that he manages by and the players play. The underlying stench of anti Exeter bias that emanates from a section of our support and manifests itself in uncalled for criticism and barracking of Paul Buckle and Wayne Carlisle, is sad, parochial and self destructive. Those same silly beggars who would welcome back a former failed manager and take the trouble to sing for him at Plainmoor are the same lame brains who are now instigating and canvassing support for "Woodsie" to win the "Player of the Season" award...................it's pathetic, vindictive and ultimately an attempt to undermine the manager and thus the club...................... OUR club. Never forget that! |
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Post by merse on Apr 21, 2009 3:32:24 GMT
As I posted before, contracts that are due to expire ARE up for discussion sixth months prior to the expiry date. This has been achieved on the players' behalf by the PFA and really it in effect gives them the chance to seek further employment if they are to be leaving a club, or seek alternative offers to the one they are in receipt of from their current employers. In Woods case this period arrived in January with his contract ending in June. This invariably leads to many players all over the country effectively "playing out" their time, one hopes in a professional and responsible manner. Unfortunately this has not been the case with Mr Woods who's subsequent attitude and negative influence has been causing problems and a meeting was arranged to try and resolve his dissatisfaction before it became a major distraction to the rest of the squad - unfortunately Mr Woods reaction was not the reaction that was expected of a "senior pro'" and he has subsequently been made an offer to terminate his contract.I don't see this as any great drama, a player who can best be described as competent and somewhat long serving AND still on a very good remuneration has been informed that those terms are no longer available to him on completion of his current contract. His subsequent conduct has not been conducive to a good working relationship and his employers have decided to terminate his contract NOW. Steve Woods is merely a player who has come to the end of his useful life to his employer - just as happens to every other player in the game when the time arrives. He's been remarkably well paid for a Conference player who has TWICE been part of previous relegation. Competent rather than particularly good, and certainly not great. More at ease at the current level than ever he was in League 1, and still prone to the same errors that he was making when he arrived here. He COULD have opted to settle down and put himself in the shop window to any clubs who showed interest from his name being circulated as it would have done, but it appears that he has opted NOT to.................more his loss than ours I would say. Just to remind you of my posting of over a month ago and it's reference to (a) January and (b) the meeting that was conducted. |
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Post by Rob on May 31, 2009 15:40:48 GMT
Is there a link to today's Sunday Independent article. Apparently Woddsie is quoted as - Half hoping the wheels came off for Buckle/Promotion despite Buckle etc..
Bizarre.
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Post by Dave on May 31, 2009 15:51:19 GMT
Is there a link to today's Sunday Independent article. Apparently Woddsie is quoted as - Half hoping the wheels came off for Buckle/Promotion despite Buckle etc.. Bizarre. I have looked on line Rob and can't find the story, will have another look now. |
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Post by capitalgull on May 31, 2009 16:22:19 GMT
Not sure the Plymouth Indy is published in it's entirety online - some of it I think is on www.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk. The Plymouth Sunday Independent website links only to the Cornish News!!! And as for Woods, I would be surprised if bitterness was not one of the emotions he was feeling around Wembley time if he felt hard dealt with by TUFC. |
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Post by mike on May 31, 2009 16:24:54 GMT
Is there a link to today's Sunday Independent article. Apparently Woddsie is quoted as - Half hoping the wheels came off for Buckle/Promotion despite Buckle etc.. Bizarre. and this is the guy voted player of the Season I demand a re vote! |
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Post by merse on May 31, 2009 18:26:20 GMT
Well apparently it's in the "hard copy" and not on the website. What he has said is that he couldn't bear to go to Wembley supporting the lads on one hand whilst on the other hoping the wheels would fall off for Paul Buckle whom he reckoned we won promotion despite of rather than because of. Well that just shows how right the manager was to root this rotten apple out of the barrell and what a bunch of pillocks were the people who voted for Woods as "Player Of The Season" as a form of protest. Perhaps the "lady down the launderette" has something to say on this?  It'll be interesting and probably amusing to see just who will entrust this "Barrack Room Lawyer" with a contract next season. Conference South at a push, but more than likely some Southern or Western Leaguers paying fifty quid a week if he's lucky.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on May 31, 2009 18:29:46 GMT
Whatever he is quoted as saying, it cannot be disputed that we ultimately won promotion with several strong displays from our central defenders come the end of the season in Todd and Robertson.
Despite the postings of some crackpot who believed that Woods was a footballing genius (as Chris Hayes once said "Newell was right"!), I think there wouldn't have been too much disappointment from the majority of pragmatic fans when the move to Truro was discussed. It seemed the right sort of move for him and I would be suprised if we faced him in a competitive match again (and no, I don't think he'll be playing at a higher level!)
I think we have all heard various things about the departure of Woods (and Dsane) and I believe that Bucks was left with no choice. He didn't bring the situation on us but was forced to make a call - I'm sure that Nicholson and Hargreaves wanted to know what was happening with their contracts but carried-on to the end of the season and their performances were excellent..........
As has been posted before, good luck wherever you end-up Woodsie, but don't lower yourself to sniping at a Manager who has acheived a huge amount for TUFC and who will surely be moving upwards rather than downwards when it is time to move-on. The 2003/04 season was five years ago now.....
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Post by Dave on May 31, 2009 18:39:06 GMT
Stand by and get ready to get shot down in flames ;D
While I think Woods is wrong to give an interview to a newspaper and make the remarks that he did, I'm sorry but call me a big softy if you want, but a part of me feels for him.
We are all human and have feelings and while I do not intend to go over the whys and wherefores of why he left, or had to go, he would have been bitterly disappointed, he was not in the team at Wembley.
Some people for me are a bit too hard faced, I'm not like that and do try and look how someone is feeling and why they feel that way. You may say he brought it all on himself, maybe he did but he had never planned on not finishing the season with the club.
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Post by crispygull on May 31, 2009 18:47:50 GMT
Stand by and get ready to get shot down in flames ;D While I think Woods is wrong to give an interview to a newspaper and make the remarks that he did, I'm sorry but call me a big softy if you want, but a part of me feels for him. We are all human and have feelings and while I do not intend to go over the whys and wherefores of why he left, or had to go, he would have been bitterly disappointed, he was not in the team at Wembley. Some people for me are a bit too hard faced, I'm not like that and do try and look how someone is feeling and why they feel that way. You may say he brought it all on himself, maybe he did but he had never planned on not finishing the season with the club. That's a very good point Dave. I must admit reading the article today, I thought Woodsie was wrong to say what he said BUT having had time to think it over, like you say, you have to feel for the guy. The sort of success that we enjoyed at Wembley doesn't come around too often for most pros (unless you play for one of the Big Four) and Woodsie must have felt absolutely devastated that having played a big part (30 games ?) in our season - to not be a part of it must have hurt. Even more hard for him to take, is that quite possibly this could be the end of his professional career and if that is to be the case then it is, in all honesty, a sad ending for a decent pro who may not have hit great heights in his carerr but always gave his all. I think it was a mistake to talk to the press like he has, and yes maybe it does give an insight into how he may have reacted to the news that he wasnt going to get another contract - and for that reason you can understand that Bucks felt he had to act in the way he did - but nevertheless it is not at all surprising that he feels bitter towards Paul Buckle. He has nothing but good things to say about the players, the club and the fans ... but clearly he has a major dislike of Paul Buckle for the way he brought his TUFC career to an end. |
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Post by Dave on May 31, 2009 19:11:01 GMT
Why thank you crispy, I just get a bit mad when people forget that players are real people with feelings just like ours, some should try and look how they would feel if after playing 30 games as you say, then feel pushed out when a Wembley final looked possible.
I have always felt there was a better way it could have all been sorted out, it did not in my view need to end the way it did, I'm sure Woods must feel the same way and is the reason he wanted to get his views out.
I have always liked Steve Woods and I hope he shuts a few up on here and go's and gets himself a nice contract for the coming season, eight years at our club deserves a bit more respect from some fans who seem unwilling to give him any.
Like I said its easy to criticise when its not you it effects, I hope things were out well for him in the future.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2009 20:28:10 GMT
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Post by Rob on May 31, 2009 20:32:16 GMT
Thanks Barton. Fairly uncompromising stuff. should it get on BBC/BSP sites etc, it really isn't the message I'd want our potential new recruits to read.  |
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