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Post by Dave on Mar 8, 2009 15:09:50 GMT
alpinejoe, I loved your last line on your post about supporters having to pass a 'Football Spectators NVQ' to make sure only those fans with sufficient knowledge of all the things they're not allowed to do are given entry to the ground.
That could also be a requirement for fans posting on a forum ;D as some will always claim this or that poster does not have a clue what they are talking about.
My point about having signs up was only that surely every person who pays to enter any event, be it football or my other love say a stock car meeting, should have the rules of entry on display before they pay to enter. Then as they will have the full information they can make an informed choice if they still wish to enter. I agree with so many rules that has been changed and things that were once OK, are now banned, that it would be a big long list to have to read.
Rubbish at Plainmoor? no not out on the pitch but that is something I do hear moaned about often. In so many grounds there are plenty of bins to put your rubbish in. On the popside everything gets thrown on the floor. Yes it will give someone a job to have to clear it all up, but it is a joke in some respects.
Ripped up yellow pages are banned inside the ground, this is due to a health and safety issue as you could slip on the paper if it was wet. You are far more likely to slip and fall on all the bottles that end up in the walkways, plus the chip papers etc. Just goes to show that there are some rules that have been made, just for the sake of making them it seems.
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Post by gandalfgull on Mar 8, 2009 15:22:19 GMT
khilllegend were you first approached as you stood on popside at the front by steward 10?
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Post by merse on Mar 8, 2009 15:42:24 GMT
My point about having signs up was only that surely every person who pays to enter any event, be it football or my other love say a stock car meeting, should have the rules of entry on display before they pay to enter.  Rule 11 at Underhill, home of Tin Pot Barnet ;Drefers to " making excessive noise" as an "offence" liable to render the culprit to removal from the stadium.......................an ideal venue for the Gooners Reserves to play in before graduating to the "Highbury Library" now located at the Emirates Stadium. Did you see all the empty seats once it started raining on Setanta's coverage of the FA Cup tie today? I don't know whether that held more significance to (a) a crap architect, (b) soft Southerners, (c) the time it takes to get served in the food outlets or (d) the excellent and expansive facilities for viewing the game on CCTV in the confines of the refreshment and circulation areas beneath the seats! |
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Post by khilllegend on Mar 8, 2009 15:50:34 GMT
khilllegend were you first approached as you stood on popside at the front by steward 10? yeah thats me i couldnt remember his number either! |
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Post by steve2009 on Mar 8, 2009 16:11:43 GMT
right, firstly rant over with from yesterday. 004 spoke to me a kind polite manner and was very righlty so the one to sort things out, and yes came to find me in boot's and laces at half time and explained what had happened. It was more 031 that i will be complaining about in writing as the way i was just strolling past and he grabbed my wrist i felt threatened with the tone and the way he spoke to me telling me if i didnt give him the lids then i would be thrown out of the ground. So i turned to him and quite rightly told him to speak to number 004 as he had sorted it out, with this 004 came walking down as i left for half time and had a word with him. It was just everything in the day that added to it because at half time i wanted to see kerry to complain about him, and the steward stood at the door said if i went out i couldn't get back in and didnt even know who kerry was he had never heard of her! good afternoon to you all, thanks to khilllegend for clarifying my response that i had dealt with your problem, and came to see you in half time, to let you know the safety officer's response, i hope that this problem will now not rear it's ugly head again for you as in my eyes the matter is now closed. i have read with interest the other posts on here and i will endeavor to write the relevant rule down as it is written on the rules board in the ground, and i will also address this to the safety officers attention along with the comments made on here reference this subject i will inform you all of any progress on here, watch this space!!!!!!! we all have to abide by what we class as silly laws and rules in life, can you imagine the chaos that would abound if we were a lawless, rule less society, i personally feel that the seatbelt law, is a petty one however i abide by it, i am a smoker, however the law changed nearly two years ago, spoiling my pleasure of a pint and a f*g, however i abide by it, i am not allowed to smoke in my work vehicle, and even sillier, if i take a non smoker in my own vehicle the non smoker can request i do not smoke, (response to this) get out and walk lol, however, we all have what we class as unreasonable rules to abide by, be it smoking, use of mobiles, bottle tops, cameras, etc etc the list can go on and on. please understand that i only enforce your clubs rules, and as i have stated before i will address any issues you have to the powers that be to try to draw a satisfactory and workable solution for us all. and a better and happier Plainmoor steve 004 |
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Post by steve2009 on Mar 8, 2009 16:25:55 GMT
6. The following articles must not be brought within the Ground - knives, fireworks, smoke canisters, air-horns, flares, weapons, dangerous or hazardous items, laser devices, bottles, glass vessels, cans, poles and any article that might be used as a weapon and/or compromise public safety. Any person in possession of such items will be refused entry to the Ground
7. The use of threatening behaviour, foul or abusive language is strictly forbidden and will result in arrest and/or ejection from the Ground. The club may impose a ban for one or more Matches.
7.1 Racial abuse, chanting or harassment is strictly forbidden and will result in arrest and/or ejection from the Ground. The Club may impose a ban for one or more Matches.
7.2 The following acts are arrestable offences under the Football (Offences) Act 1991, as amended:
7.2.1 The throwing of any object within the Ground without lawful authority or excuse.
7.2.2 The chanting of anything of an indecent or racialist nature.
7.2.3 The entry onto the playing area or any adjacent area to which spectators are not generally admitted without lawful authority or excuse.
12. Under the Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc) Act 1985, the following are offences for which a person can be arrested by a police officer and conviction could result in a Banning Order being made:
12.1 Attempting to enter the Ground or being inside the Ground whilst drunk;
12.2 Being in possession of any intoxicating liquor, or bottle, can or other portable container and which could cause damage or personal injury, when entering the Ground or in a public area of the Ground from which the event can be directly viewed.
just found this on TUFC website, attention to 12.2 please, bottle, can, or any portable container.
steve004
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Post by khilllegend on Mar 8, 2009 17:22:04 GMT
lol we have read those but 12.2 says u cannot take the bottle??? so why do they sell bottles and take the lid of then surely the bottle is more dangerous than the lid?
just a thought
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Post by papalazarou on Mar 8, 2009 17:34:57 GMT
lol we have read those but 12.2 says u cannot take the bottle??? so why do they sell bottles and take the lid of then surely the bottle is more dangerous than the lid? just a thought i think you will find that you can throw a bottle much further with the lid on, and its heavier |
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Post by steve2009 on Mar 8, 2009 18:04:43 GMT
i believe we touched on this subject somewhere in the previous 10 pages, i think i'm right in saying, the throwing of plastic bottles with coins in started somewhere in scotland, not sure of when or where, but the FA brought in a blanket ruling to cover all grounds, so i believe the tops are removed to stop this,
i know this can be extended onto, well i carry coins, old mobile, etc etc, however the issue here is not about what you can carry and throw, it's an issue of bottle tops being removed at plainmoor, this is the clubs stance.
however the incident on saturday which started all this has now been resolved with all parties in agreement.
steve004
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Post by steve2009 on Mar 8, 2009 18:13:21 GMT
lol we have read those but 12.2 says u cannot take the bottle??? so why do they sell bottles and take the lid of then surely the bottle is more dangerous than the lid? just a thought lol, i know it's a frustrating issue for us all, a)for you supporters who have the top removed. b)for us who have to enforce it. however just to add, try throwing an empty plastic bottle with no lid, then try throwing it with the lid on and two or three pennies in it, the weight and distance thrown will be considerably more with the lid on and coins inserted. even if no coins are inserted, a full bottle or half empty bottle would make a formidable missile. this is why the TUFC board ruled no tops to be left on the bottles. however i have said i will address this to the safety officer. steve004 |
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Post by Dave on Mar 8, 2009 18:16:39 GMT
but the FA brought in a blanket ruling to cover all grounds, so i believe the tops are removed to stop this, Steve it has not been really clarified if in fact the FA has ruled that bottle tops must be removed in grounds. Ant is on the Devon FA and he is not sure such a rule is in place and reading the FA ground rules on Torquay Uniteds own site, there is nothing to say tops must be removed. I'm sorry but we are not in Scotland, TUFC fans are known to be some of the best behaved in the country and for the club to be making a statement that fans can't be trusted to have a top on their bottle is in my view simply a joke. As I have said I have never seen a bottle thrown on to the pitch, so you are telling me that 2000 people every week has to endure flat drinks etc, just in case one fool does ever throw a bottle. |
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Post by jerry on Mar 8, 2009 18:18:09 GMT
We are not allowed to stand on the yellow steps on the Popside as they are an "escape" route in case of an emergency. Ok, fair enough, no problem with that.
Occasionally, but not always, the stewards insist on keeping the top step clear as well. Can't see the logic there myself, as there would be nobody to obstruct in case of emergency. But ok, rules are rules so we go along with it.
On saturday a steward was positioned on those same yellow steps, at first on the top step and then a couple of steps down. I presume he was "keeping an eye" on those that feel the need for offensive language.
Surely though, the steward on the steps is just as much of an obstruction as any fan?
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Post by khilllegend on Mar 8, 2009 18:18:21 GMT
well said dave x
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 18:18:27 GMT
I've always reckoned that what defines a "proper" non league ground is the proliferation of litter bins that most of them have It's nice when somebody else - entirely independently - comes up with one of your pet theories. I thought the same when, years ago, I decided the North-South divide in this country approximates to where it's assumed you want gravy on your chips. Much later the Guardian came up with the same thing.... As for the bin theory I'd add the rider that, lower down the leagues, the definition changes to where your tea is served in a proper mug. This tends to happen more at Step 5 (Western Premier) and below in my experience. |
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Post by chelstongull on Mar 8, 2009 18:24:49 GMT
We are not allowed to stand on the yellow steps on the Popside as they are an "escape" route in case of an emergency. Ok, fair enough, no problem with that. ...apart from the Coventry game in which you couldn't see the yellow steps in which I would have thought there was more of a H&S risk than 2000 at yesterdays game. Why weren't the fans moved on?? |
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