chelstongull
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Post by chelstongull on Jan 14, 2009 13:01:52 GMT
They managed something similar when we played Newport away last year - not sure if there are enough Police in the bay to match the Taffy Fuzz.
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Post by daveshaw on Jan 14, 2009 13:12:07 GMT
There is an easy solution to this problem that will maximise revenue, segregate the fans and solve the food and comfort issues.
Give them the Pop side. Our small home following can easily fit in the other 3 sides.
Right, that's that sorted. I'm off to Gaza to bang some heads together!
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Post by merse on Jan 14, 2009 14:59:48 GMT
With that sort of logic, it sounds like you have already been in Gaza................by the way; you won't sort out the problem by banging their heads together 'cos that's not where their brains are! Let's see if there is any significant room left by next Wednesday and if so, let Coventry have the remaining Popside tickets and stick a temporary fence and man it with Old Bill so that they can have the visitors end of the Pop, leave the access to the away end open and they can use those toilets and food outlet..............positive thinking to overcome the shocking FACT that we don't yet know for sure that sleepy old Snorebay can't muster 4,800 souls to come to a Fourth Round FA Cup tie. It really gets me when there are vacant spaces in a stadium AND folk who would love to see the match who can't get access. Remember that old codswallop on .net the last time we played Bristol Rovers at The Mem being about it all ticket? I said then that Rovers wouldn't turn anyone from Torquay away and they didn't. I was one of the sponsors (CGs) of that Northampton game when they brought so many fans they couldn't all be accommodated in the away section. I readily gave up my seat that day and went and stood on the Pop to free more room...................the way I saw it was that it got the club more money and enabled someone who had come all the way from Northants to see a game they so badly wanted to see they chanced it. All this scare mongering about endangering people is so much lady thingy, are you segregated in Marnham Road, Boots or the Union. The local A&E or the mortuary? No of course not, get on with life and be a bit more grown up I say! If people are hell bent on having a fight, they won't be stopped and they'll find somewhere outside to scrap. I'd say Plainmoor is one of if not THE most safe places of entertainment in Torquay.................certainly more than the Harbour or the Zoo for that matter eh Jim..................I mean I bet a few of your monkeys have bitten a few punters over the years, your camels spat at a few and the poor old peacocks got their own back once or twice! ;D
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Post by Dave on Jan 14, 2009 18:44:00 GMT
Snorebay You really are like an old gramophone player with its needle stuck merse, problem is its getting boring and the only thing I wish is that I could bet on here, as I would win on you every single time.
You got it wrong big time about Coventry selling their 1500 tickets
If 1500 more were sent up I believe they would sell them as well, but to be fair here, they are a much bigger club the the BSP team Torquay. Your biggest problem is you only look at things through a football fans eyes and fail to understand there are more people who do not like football, or go and pay to watch a game, than there are fans on terraces.
The only people really interested that TUFC are playing an FA Cup game is its fans and those who may just have some interest, but not enough to go and buy a ticket. I will make a thread after this post, that will explain why six tickets that would have been bought, won't be now.
The plain fact is that Torquay United has lost far more fans than it will have at the Coventry game, our new board are not responsible in anyway for that, just events over the years. I know people who stopped going and have never gone back, because the popside was given to away fans, Bateson lost plenty and others just could no longer stand so many disappointments they experienced being a fan of TUFC. Being in the BSP has also cost the club fans and once lost they are so hard to get back.
I live here and talk to people, I know all those I went to football with once, who no longer go, I have lost count of the people I have talked to, who tell me they once always went to Plainmoor, so it really has nothing to do with Torbay being sleepy Merse, more to do with people giving up and finding things to do that give them better entertainment for their money. If I read in the paper our cricket team is playing in some final, I will be pleased, but as I have no interest in that sport, you would not find me in some que to buy a ticket.
If a team from the Blue Square South was drawn at home against Coventry and could only give 500 tickets to away fans, then loads of fans would miss out, If Robbie Williams was going to do a one night concert in Torquay and there was only 2000 tickets, many more 1000's would miss out and not see the show.
Its a fault of the club that it does not have a decent capacity away end and not the fault of any fan or even anyone else living in Torbay and if 500 more tickets were offered, they would all sell and still some Coventry fans would miss out on being at the game.
So please tell what sort of fence you want to see, surly it will have to fixed into the ground? and how many extra policemen will have to be paid for, to form an extra barrier? 15 at least I would say and I wonder how much that will add to the police bill the club has to pay.
Then you want to leave the gate open into the away end from the popside, bloody stupid idea, yes they can go and get a drink at half time, but how are you going to stop a few hundred more from moving on to the popside, we have segregation in football for a very good reason.
Its my view that the human rights thing is played out far to much and its often the victims who seem not to have any, while those committing the crimes have plenty. For me this is a human rights issue, I pay to go into Plainmoor and I expect the club to make the ground as safe a place as possible, I expect to be able to stand in a home fans stand and know as far as humanly possible, it will not have away fans in it.
I do not go to football to see or be a part of any trouble, the club can't really be responsible for anything that happens out in the streets, that is what we have policemen for, but it has a duty to make sure the risks are reduced so all fans in its ground remain safe. Its a joke really when you think about it, I can't have a bottle top, I will get threatened that I will be ejected if I stand on a yellow line, its all to do with health and safety, yet to try and make a few extra bob, my own safety could be at risk, due to away fans being on the home terrace.
You go on about fans who may miss the game, but how many empty seats do you see in top flight club games? well add them all up there are plenty and not because fans don't want to go, but are prised out of going, now that would be a better thing for you to work on Merse and not the fact that some Coventry fans may not see the game.
One final point, its the clubs job to sell the tickets to the people of Torbay, just what are they doing to try and sell out all the home places? sorry but not allot from where I'm sitting, I bet there are plenty of people who don't even know there is a game.
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Post by merse on Jan 14, 2009 19:09:42 GMT
As I said in my post Dave, I was thinking positively; not nannying and fannying about a re enactment of the Alamo. If anyone is seriously staying away from Plainmoor in 2009 because the Argyle fans got allocated their spot a decade ago I would suggest they have serious issues with obsession. I objected strongly when Bateson did what he did, and made no attempt to come to the game then opting to watch Stevenage take on Woking instead. I made my point and got on with my life. There are still some old codgers who have been boycotting Plainmoor "because the club deliberately threw promotion" in 1967. Well good for them, I hope they miss out on their Robbie Williams tickets when he finally sees his career decline enough to appear at The Royal Standard in Hele Village some time next year! "What sort of fence?" :Probably a portable one that I've seen at scores of grounds the length and breadth of Europe Dave, you know one that goes from the back to the front of the Popside which must be all of 10 yards. As Michael Winner says.....................stop making such a drama of it all!
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Post by Dave on Jan 14, 2009 19:14:56 GMT
A Jolly decent reply Merse, the point about people still staying away? I think they have all moved on from it , but I still maintain that once fans stop going and change their habits etc, it is hard to ever get them back.
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Post by merse on Jan 14, 2009 19:28:20 GMT
[ You got it wrong big time about Coventry selling their 1500 tickets I think Coventry's fans HAVE done well to snap them all up so quickly, especially when I survey those acres of empty seats at The Ricoh in televised games. I would guess there is still a culture of dining out on their one and only FA Cup win all those years ago and that is so refreshing to see. Their fanbase might have declined dramatically but it seems those that still do support them have a healthy respect for football at our level and the magic of the FA Cup in general. I think that enthusiasm should be respected, and that in the event of their being a significant number of unsold places for the Pop a decent effort to accomodate a few more of them should be made. Remember ALL legitimate expenses are effectively underwritten by BOTH clubs AND the FA Cup "Pool" as they are deducted from gate money BEFORE any split is made in the gate receipts.
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Post by midlandstufc on Jan 14, 2009 19:55:21 GMT
I agree Merse, the tickets would be sold to Cov season ticket holders and I know there are many desperate to get to the game. If you Risk Assess it, I would think we'd be OK even if we beat them 3-0. Any trouble and they'd put themselves up for being banned from their own stadium - I would say that it's unlikely to be an issue. Let them have the tickets - it's the FA Cup not some local derby.
On another note, you had said what's the difference between the Grandstand segregation and any popside - two - price of tickets and sitting down - always affects the outlook of people.
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Post by Rob on Jan 14, 2009 22:28:55 GMT
One final point, its the clubs job to sell the tickets to the people of Torbay, just what are they doing to try and sell out all the home places? sorry but not allot from where I'm sitting, I bet there are plenty of people who don't even know there is a game. The Club continues to neglect to promote itself to those it needs.
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Post by Dave on Jan 14, 2009 22:44:01 GMT
There lies the problem Rob, the club needs to reach out to the Bay far more than it does, yes people know there is a football team who play up at Plainmoor, but games like this really need to have so much more of a hard sell. Let the bay know that it is a big game and how the club needs to have as much support as possible and as long as any that do come, don't stand in the middle of the popside, they may just come back again.
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Post by ricardo on Jan 20, 2009 13:49:55 GMT
The game is sold out - news now on official site.
Have to admit that I am pleasantly surprised as I did not anticipate this. The excitement is mounting!
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Post by weathergull on Jan 20, 2009 14:14:42 GMT
A thousand tickets on sale yesterday, sold out today..........mmmmmmmm I wonder where most of those tickets ended up?
We need the money though.
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Post by bbcgull on Jan 20, 2009 14:33:30 GMT
After a few hours on the phone yesterday, SCHC Gull managed to get our tickets so see you all on Saturday. Get In!!
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Post by Dave on Jan 20, 2009 16:19:14 GMT
It is good news that the game is now a sell out and you do wonder who has bought all the tickets. Maybe sleepy old Torbay has woke up and if they have then that should keep Merse quite for a few days ;D
The question that has to be asked was how phone sales were handled, have all calls to the club resulted in tickets being sold? I ask only because they will have to be posted out you would expect and therefore the club should know if the have been sold to Coventry fans.
If tickets sold via the phone have had no controls put on them, then we could end up with a worse situation than before. Maybe merse was right about giving up one end of the popside and having a temporary fence put up etc. If it is the case that we may have home stand tickets sold to Coventry fans over the phone, then they will be free to wander or stand where they like on the popside.Having them all in one place would have to be better than having them mixed in and not knowing who they were as such.
I really do not see there being any problems at the game, but the away stand and how many away fans the ground can hold, does need looking into and finding away to offer bigger clubs more tickets in cup games etc. The space behind the away end is large and really the stand should have been built bigger, I seem to remember Bateson saying that the problem making it bigger, was the height of the roof.
While its better for away fans to have a roof over the stand, they must still get wet when the wind and rain blows into the stand, I would rather see the away end like it once was. No it did not have a roof, but the steps went much further back and it could hold so many more away fans, I wonder if anyone knows what it was able to hold, before it became a car lot for Dave Webb.
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Post by merse on Jan 20, 2009 18:45:37 GMT
................but the away stand and how many away fans the ground can hold, does need looking into and finding away to offer bigger clubs more tickets in cup games etc. The space behind the away end is large and really the stand should have been built bigger, I seem to remember Bateson saying that the problem making it bigger, was the height of the roof. While its better for away fans to have a roof over the stand, they must still get wet when the wind and rain blows into the stand, I would rather see the away end like it once was. No it did not have a roof, but the steps went much further back and it could hold so many more away fans, If I may say so the very idea of removing the roof of the away end is a totally silly one, and your "wind and rain" argument could apply to any stand on the ground apart - ironically the oldest part ; the old Grandstand. When it was built, the new away stand totally transformed the ground and gave it a whole new perspective and for your information Dave, the only way grants for ground improvements could (and still, can) be obtained was if any standing area had steep enough rake to be easily able to convert to all seater. It was the same for the Popside - that FACT is non negotiable. The FACT also is that the away end is perfectly serviceable and fit for purpose except for the odd occasion , but then that applies for the whole ground. The neutral corner is also viewed as a must for all ground improvements in grounds of our type - if it was an all seater ground then netting could be utilised to vary the separation point between sets of fans. The roof could be no higher due to the close proximity of the Warbro Road houses (in fact for so many years the "rights of light" issue that is now obsolete prevented any such construction) and thus the space behind is utilised to the best use available for the club...............is it car parking now? The only way I could see that a higher roof and thus a deeper terrace could be accommodated would be if planning consent could be obtained for a suspended translucent roof such as is in use behind one of the goals at Lewes's Dripping Pan Ground. But in reality, this would only begin to become an important issue would be if we ever establish ourselves in Football League 1 without looking like instant relegation fodder as we have on the last two occasions we reaches those "heady" heights. By the way..................I am delighted and pleasantly surprised that the game has sold out without recourse to increasing the away allocation - it was the very least the club deserved of it's town!
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