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Post by scottbrehaut on Jan 8, 2009 15:48:50 GMT
 I think the club have got it exactly right on this one, "All Ticket" needs to be avoided at almost all costs. Actually that was what was posted - avoided at ALMOST all costs. |
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Post by Dave on Jan 8, 2009 17:01:41 GMT
accommodated near the neutral corner of the Away End and the Popside; after all football clubs should be in the business of accommodating people NOT turning them away Well sorry merse, but you clearly say that away fans could be accommodated on the popside, yes I know you said using the police and stewards, but there would still have to be a form of segregation. So how are we going to that? with a nice piece of red tape or something? Can't see a fence being built can you? what toilets will the away fans on the popside use and where will they buy their food, at times Merse you really don't think things through properly do you. It is not about the club turning people away and never has been, but the days when going to a game carried a high risk of seeing or even getting caught in some trouble has long since gone I hope. If you can't see that having away fans in the same stand as home fans increases the risks of trouble then that is not my fault is it, but I do feel strongly that if I have paid to go and watch a match at TUFC, that they do all they can to make the ground as safe as possible. The fans could be in the same stand and nothing happen, but its a cup tie and feelings and emotions could run high. It would be no good people saying after some fan got badly hurt say on the popside, attacked by an away fan, that the club should not mix fans knowingly, because the club would get the blame if that were to happen. Far better to play safe and yes I know some away fans could still get into the popside, but they will always give themselves away and that will be the time for the stewards to do the job properly and remove them from the popside. |
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Post by merse on Jan 8, 2009 18:28:44 GMT
accommodated near the neutral corner of the Away End and the Popside; after all football clubs should be in the business of accommodating people NOT turning them away Well sorry merse, but you clearly say that away fans could be accommodated on the popside, yes I know you said using the police and stewards, but there would still have to be a form of segregation. So how are we going to that? with a nice piece of red tape or something? Can't see a fence being built can you? what toilets will the away fans on the popside use and where will they buy their food, at times Merse you really don't think things through properly do you. ...............and what separates the away fans from the home fans in the Grandstand then? Toilets are not an issue..................they can be let through to piss with their mates and have a burger over in that corner too whilst they are at it? It's back to the question of positive and negative thinking isn't it? Remember, I've worked in football and been involved in the acualitie of accommodation problems.........................and I repeat: "All football clubs should be in the business of accommodating people NOT turning them away" and I'll tell you now that IF a small number of ticket less Coventry fans DO turn up, the police will want to accommodate them rather than turn them loose on the streets; and in reality what sort of Torquay fan would wish to see travelling fans turned away in any case? Surely only the petty and "jobsworth" type who hardly travel themselves anyway. Had WE been drawn away to Chipstead instead of at home, that could well have been OUR fans in that situation; and what would we have been feeling if we had been turned away when it was perfectly feasible to get us in? I'm telling you now, there WILL be Coventry fans in the home sections, just as there were Birmingham City ones! |
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Post by gullsdiv2 on Jan 8, 2009 18:45:11 GMT
Surely merse if you let the away fans in the popside over to the away stand some may choose to stay in the away stand therefore causing a potential crush or major incident. I think your idea needs a little more thought.
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Post by merse on Jan 8, 2009 19:19:55 GMT
I was talking small numbers gullsdiv2,it wasn't meant to be a great drama.
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Post by Dave on Jan 8, 2009 19:26:09 GMT
Surely only the petty and "jobsworth" type who hardly travel themselves anyway.
I really hope that statement Merse is NOT aimed at me, over all the years I have supported TUFC, I have been to so many away games, I do not do so now, due to driving 1400 miles every week and choose to keep off the roads as much as possible at the weekends.
It seems the club had little choice about making the game all ticket, so that must mean the police has asked for it to be. Please tell me what would be the point in the police wanting the game all ticket, if they are then going to let in all away fans without a ticket?
It that is what happens then all away fans will travel to any away game without a ticket safe in the knowledge that it would not matter as they would still be let in the ground. So where will the police want to put then them? the away end will have been sold out and health and safety rules would mean they could not be put in there.
On the popside? well if that was to happen, you can call me what you want, but I would complain, it has nothing to do with not understanding how a fan who has traveled but can't get in might feel, just what part of ALL TICKET did that fan not understand anyway.
Yes England fans will travel to big games without tickets, as there will be ticket touts who will have tickets to offer at some high price, can't see we will get any on them standing outside Plainmoor, can you?
I do wonder if you are the sort of person who thinks rules do not apply to him, do you break the rules when you drive? think the rules are for the others and not you? because you seem to be saying that if we do not agree with fans traveling without tickets should just be allowed into the ground, you want to call us jobsworth types, or even more stupid, we must never go to away games ourselves.
I think you will find that while those who sit in high seats, or the away seats in our grandstand, while no better or even posher, do tend to be the sort who would not cause problems at a football match. So the need for segregation is not so great as there is little threat of any trouble happening.
All ticket means simply that, come without one, then you deserve to be sent back the way you came and if you are an away fan in a home terrace and get found out, you deserve to be chucked out of the ground, the entrance to the popside clearly says HOME FANS.
Like I said merse I pay to watch nearly every home game, the club gets my money and I expect as much as it is humanly possible, that I will be safe and in no danger being in an area that is meant to be for my fellow fans, if they club felt is was fine to put me at risk, just to fill the ground or make a few extra bob, then I would have no problem finding other things to do on a Saturday afternoon.
But as we know your views on our board, then you would expect they would not make such poor decisions.
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Post by buster on Jan 8, 2009 21:26:57 GMT
Actually that was what was posted - avoided at ALMOST all costs. Ahhhh..........Behind every politician lies a pontificating brown nose.  buster |
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Post by scottbrehaut on Jan 8, 2009 22:50:23 GMT
Just call me Alistair Campbell ;D  |
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Post by stuartB on Jan 8, 2009 23:02:22 GMT
Just call me Alistair Campbell ;D how about Mandelson but that won't be a brown noser but a brown .... |
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Post by Rob on Jan 13, 2009 13:35:32 GMT
Perhaps the Club are waiting to see how many sell before divvying out a few more to Coventry later on with a divide on the Pop?
Coventry have sold their allocation within hours.
Maybe the Club will see how Home sales are by early next week, then make a decision on this. I wouldn't blame them.
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Post by Dave on Jan 14, 2009 12:18:40 GMT
Now that it has been confirmed that Coventry have sold all their tickets, I wonder which way the club will go. I would be surprised if all the home tickets get sold, but do the club just except what gate recites it gets, or tries to sell all let over tickets to Coventry fans.
The only place away fans could be put, would be one end of the popside, but just how would you go about segregating the stand, so safety could be assured. The other problem is, that trying to cram to many onto the popside, would make it to cramped and therefore not so enjoyable for home fans.
The fact is while this board did not build the away end, it was made far too small, yes its OK for most games we play in the league, but get one decent cup game and then the problem of not having enough space for away fans, rears its ugly head.
My view is that we have made good money so far from the FA cup and it will still be a good payday on the day and while a few more bob could be squeezed out of the game, its far better to be happy with what you got, than risk having problems in the ground, that might just lose some home fans and their regular money .
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Post by Rob on Jan 14, 2009 12:26:22 GMT
The only place away fans could be put, would be one end of the popside, but just how would you go about segregating the stand, so safety could be assured.
It was done about 4 seasons ago v Northampton, though I was toward the family end of the Pop that day and couldn't see whether it was a temporary fence arrangement or just a few stewards?
If the Club can make 15k out of it, they should go for it and with a bit of luck it'll add to the atmosphere.
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Post by Dave on Jan 14, 2009 12:33:50 GMT
When you say 15k Rob I supposed you mean extra? if so that is 937 Coventry fans required to be put on the popside, maybe 50 or even 100 could be done with not to many problems and even 100 would only give the club an extra 1.600 pounds, is the risk worth taking for that?
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Post by Rob on Jan 14, 2009 12:37:50 GMT
When you say 15k Rob I supposed you mean extra? if so that is 937 Coventry fans required to be put on the popside, maybe 50 or even 100 could be done with not to many problems and even 100 would only give the club an extra 1.600 pounds, is the risk worth taking for that? Probably not for that, Dave. The more the better. There were certainly more than a couple of hundred against Northampton that time, though. |
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Post by Dave on Jan 14, 2009 12:45:13 GMT
The more on the popside the bigger risk of having trouble and problems Rob. I take the view that its better not to be greedy at times, not that I'm saying the club is being at this time, have the game remembered for the great way we played, or the great result we got, not have it remembered for having trouble or fans injured, because fans were mixed just to earn a little bit more extra money.
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