Rob
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Post by Rob on Apr 22, 2018 10:41:50 GMT
There are pictures on torquayfans.com today of the grounds we will be at in Conference South. Plainmoor compared to those very favourably. To say the least. Is this a serious observation? I would have expected to hear that plainmoor is way ahead of the grounds we will visit next season. We are an ex-league club after all. Plainmoor looks like the Santiago Bernabeu compared to every one of them, Flo. I can’t do the pictures thing on here, so take a look at the recent thread entitled ‘Competition Time!’ on torquayfans.com if you get a chance.
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Post by simonb on Apr 22, 2018 17:00:18 GMT
Goes to show we don’t actually need a new stadium so CO can piss off. What we need to do is build and consolidate around what we already have. Just need a trustworthy chairman and board with integrity.
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Post by loyalgull on Jun 26, 2018 20:13:17 GMT
Surely the new ground is now designed and work should start anytime now come on mr osborne the suspense is killing us😎
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 9:41:54 GMT
loyalgull Your eagerness to see progress on the move is commendable Loyalgull, but if there's a Local Authority faffing about, or an MP wondering what political points he can score, then it all get's dragged out far longer than necessary. However, I think in the short term the emphasis will be on football, and giving a real good go at getting back into the National League at the first attempt. Considerable expenditure on smartening up Plainmoor and improving the playing surface is a clear indication that we're not setting off for pastures new straight away. There does seem to have been some recent news that points to our move having been made more likely, as a result of last Thursday's Council meeting. Cllr Derek Mills said that the council is short of millions for revenue budgets for years to come and that it must be run with heads, not hearts. He added: “Oldway is a champagne (Socialist) project but Torbay Council only has beer money. What do you put first, people or bricks and mortar.”The chronic state of the Local Authorities finances is evident. On it's uppers to such an extent that an amendment was passed at the meeting: 'with an amendment that removed a council commitment that they would fund the £2m of urgent work to deal with problems such as dry rot which need to take place'In effect the Council has now wrecked their prospect of getting any desperately needed cash from this particular source, either indicates to some that they're already counting on, and factoring in the likely cash injection from the sale of Plainmoor. With local services crumbling even faster than Oldway now will be, it's going to be extremely difficult to justify on the doorstep, preferring to own that monument to Capitalism that Oldway represents, as well as owning a venue for NLS football when a big fat cheque signed by Clarke Osborne is being dangled in front of them, which would help keep the libraries open and the meals on wheels for the destitute old folk of the area. Cutting themselves adrift from major sources of revenue, while increasing the burden on Council Tax payers who see their badly needed services being cut back or closed; it's a recipe for disaster. Councillors will be forced to come to their senses sooner rather than later. Clarke Osborne knows this, kinder gentler Moderate TUST knows this, Riviera Macron must realise this. No Oldway money means an even greater need for, and dependence on Plainmoor money instead. The Osborne Arena project has just received a substantial boost. link- Financial Basket Case Council Kiss Goodbye To Oldway Millions As It Crumbles Away
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Post by Jon on Jun 28, 2018 23:16:06 GMT
No Oldway money means an even greater need for, and dependence on Plainmoor money instead. The Osborne Arena project has just received a substantial boost. You seem to be mixing up capital and revenue budgets AJ. The problem with Oldway is that it is a potential revenue black hole. The council derives no revenue income from it at all and faces massive expenditure to stop it decaying - over a million pounds a year. That would have to come out of revenue budgets to the detriment of other council services. Plainmmoor, on the other hand, is revenue income generative for the council. The council receives both rent and rates from the football club. It does not spend a penny on maintenance and upkeep. Remember the council only owns the land the stadium sits on. The club is responsible for maintenance. The income the council derives from Plainmoor can actually be used to increase its revenue expenditure on council services. Get rid of Oldway and keep Plainmoor is sound financial advice.
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