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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 11:21:38 GMT
Good on you Donald, ten years without paying the tax man. I managed to do the same for many years, but it certainly wasn’t ten!
I remember a picture years ago of the odious Rupert Murdoch outside an Aus hotel holding up an Aus$20 note. He had earnt about 50 Squillion Dollars that year but only paid 20 to the tax man.
Even Ken Dodd had a go at it, but then again who wouldn’t, when we all know that 90% of taxes are literally flushed down the shitter on a daily basis!
Poor old Al Capone also did it, but he wasn’t so lucky, he died in prison of the Clap 👏
You might have guessed that anyone that gets away with that sort of thing goes into my good book. On top of that, I would pretty much guarantee that everyone on this site has done it, to a lesser or greater degree ! 👅
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Post by Rob on Sept 28, 2020 11:53:13 GMT
The New York Times has discovered some hitherto concealed documents which show that Trump has avoided paying any income tax for 10 of the past 15 years. He has also used his office to write off 70,000 dollars spent on hair styling. In any other nation on earth this alone would prevent unrigged re-election. Possibly not over there, sadly. And the only rigged outcome will be the one where he loses in his eyes. Lock him up and make him build the wall around him. Partly as I suspect there are more over there who see it as some sort of badge of honour to be dishonest and generally giving of no f*ck for the rest of society possessing as they do little by way of moral compass. Merely a self compass and warped one at that. Maybe it’s just website loons and I’m doing the general populace of US a percentage based disservice, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 12:18:55 GMT
I’m sure we have all predicted the future at sometime in our lives. I do it all the time...in fact I did it quite recently. 😌
Are we actually predicting the future, or are we making the future, or are some of us clever enough to be able to know what somebody else is thinking, and what their response will be to any given subject. 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 12:40:57 GMT
Rob There are vastly significant differences to the way that the American system is designed that we often overlook when looking across the pond in puzzlement at how they go about things. For instance as we watched rioting, looting, and the destruction of businesses being burned to the ground where certain State and City Mayors and Governors stood down law enforcement for political reasons, it seemed odd to us to witness the President virtually pleading with them to request he send in the National Guard, as he told the residents of those cities and States that law and order could be restored in a couple of hours. But that is the US system. And the President cannot impose his will. Our TFF US Presidential Election correspondent has made mention of the death rate from Coronavirus in the United States, and in this aspect too, we should remember that it is up to the individual states as to how they respond to the pandemic. Some closed down their cities, some imposed curfews, and others didn’t. The President could not, and cannot impose a policy on them, and can do little more than make money available and offer advice, and we know how likely that was to be heeded by Democrat run areas. The uniqueness of the US and its constitutionally laid out restrictions on central government powers, remains central to so many issues in that land, and Rob’s timely reminder, particularly in the case of income tax, was well worth making. How the citizens view the Government’s insistence that it is legally entitled to impose an income tax, is discussed and evaluated in terms different to those that you will find on any nation of earth. All originating from the fact that the US has a constitution worded like no other nation on earth. And hence why any debate on the subject has more legal and moral ramifications and points of contention in the States, than in, for instance, the UK, where our media, particularly the state broadcaster, BBC, would attempt to immediately narrow it down to the single issue of ‘fair share’ and why X must be forced to pay more than Z. But as Rob reminds us, income tax in itself, is a bigger and wider subject in the United States, than simply who pays what amount.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 12:47:06 GMT
And while our prisons have plenty of people in them who have not paid income tax for one reason or another, what we do not have is the number of prisoners who are incarcerated for refusing to pay on the grounds that the Government is breaking the law by levying an income tax. It is a fundamental point of constitutional law and principle in the United States, and where men and women well financially capable of paying whatever tax the Government demands, will still refuse and choose to defend the constitution, and thereby spend long years in a prison cell, rather than acquiesce to the Constitution being violated. Some may recall that I’ve referred to, and posted a couple of videos by Peter Schiff on this forum in past discussions. His old Dad, Irwin, who died about 5 years ago, was one such who chose a prison cell over facilitating the Government to break the law and violate the constitution. America really is ‘like no nation on earth’ when it comes to Government demanded income tax. Here’s some of what Peter wrote when Irwin died 5 years ago. I think that one of our Admins recently suggested that clenched fists should stop short of connecting with an individual's face. This is a reminder that, dare to oppose it, the all powerful fist of the State will continue to pummel you even when you’re on your death bed: My father Irwin A. Schiff was born Feb. 23rd 1928, the 8th child and only son of Jewish immigrants, who had crossed the Atlantic twenty years earlier in search of freedom. As a result of their hope and courage my father was fortunate to have been born into the freest nation in the history of the world. But when he passed away on Oct. 16th, 2015 at the age of 87, a political prisoner of that same nation, legally blind and shackled to a hospital bed in a guarded room in intensive care, the free nation he was born into had itself died years earlier.
My father had a life-long love affair with our nation’s founding principals and proudly served his country during the Korean War, for a while even having the less then honorable distinction of being the lowest ranking American soldier in Europe. But my father was most known for his staunch opposition to the Federal Income Tax, for which the Federal Government labeled him a “tax protester.” But he had no objection to lawful, reasonable taxation. He was not an anarchist and believed that the state had an important, but limited role to play in market based economy. He opposed the Federal Government’s illegal and unconstitutional enforcement and collection of the income tax. His first book on this topic (he authored six in total, self-published by Freedom Books) How Anyone Can Stop Paying Income Taxes, published in 1982 became a New York Times best seller. His last, The Federal torquay; How the Government Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully collects Income Taxes, the first of three editions published in 1992, became the only non-fiction, and second and last book to be banned in America. The only other book being lady thingy Hill; Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure, banned for obscenity in 1821 and 1963.
His crusade to force the government to obey the law earned him three prison sentences, the final one being a fourteen-year sentence that he began serving ten years ago, at the age of 77. That sentence turned into a life sentence, as my father failed to survive until his planned 2017 release date. However in actuality the life sentence amounted to a death sentence. My father died from skin cancer that went undiagnosed and untreated while he was in federal custody. The skin cancer then led to a virulent outbreak of lung cancer that took his life just more than two months after his initial diagnosis.
The unnecessarily cruel twist in his final years occurred seven years ago when he reached his 80th birthday. At that point the government moved him from an extremely low security federal prison camp in New York State where he was within easy driving distance from family and friends, to a federal correctional institute, first in Indiana and then in Texas. This was done specially to give him access to better medical care. The trade off was that my father was forced to live isolated from those who loved him. Given that visiting him required long flights, car rentals, and hotel stays, his visits were few and far between. Yet while at these supposed superior medical facilities, my father received virtually no medical care at all, not even for the cataracts that left him legally blind, until the skin cancer on his head had spread to just about every organ in his body.
At the time of his diagnosis in early August of this year, he was given four to six mouths to live. We tried to get him out of prison on compassionate release so that he could live out the final months of his life with his family, spending some precious moments with the grandchildren he had barely known. But he did not live long enough for the bureaucratic process to be completed. Two months after the process began, despite the combined help of a sitting Democratic U.S. congresswoman and a Republican U.S. senator, his petition was still sitting on someone’s desk waiting for yet another signature, even though everyone at the prison actually wanted him released. Even as my father lay dying in intensive care, a phone call came in from a lawyer and the Bureau of Prisons in Washington asking the prison medical representatives for more proof of the serious nature of my father’s condition.
As the cancer consumed him his voice changed, and the prison phone system no longer recognized it, so he could not even talk with family members on the phone during his finale month of life. When his condition deteriorated to the point where he needed to be hospitalized, government employees blindly following orders kept him shackled to his bed. This despite the fact that escape was impossible for an 87 year old terminally ill, legally blind patient who could barley breathe, let alone walk.
Whether or not you agree with my father’s views on the Federal Income Tax, or the manner by which it is collected, it’s hard to condone the way he was treated by our government. He held his convictions so sincerely and so passionately that he continued to espouse them until his dying breath. Like William Wallace in the final scene of Braveheart, an oppressive government may have succeeded in killing him, but they did not break his spirit. And that spirit will live on in his books, his videos, and in his children and grandchildren. Hopefully his legacy will one day help restore the lost freedoms he died trying to protect, finally allowing him to rest in peace.
link - RIP Irwin
As you may have already guessed,and can see from the link, this is system censorship of book names, rather than anything I had typed
His last, The Federal torquay; How the Government Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully collects Income Taxes, the first of three editions published in 1992, became the only non-fiction, and second and last book to be banned in America. The only other book being lady thingy Hill;
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Post by Rob on Sept 28, 2020 13:59:40 GMT
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Post by Rob on Sept 28, 2020 14:02:05 GMT
Following on from AJ’s remarks. Emphasis on this article being on him being a ‘comically inept businessman’ who inherited his fathers billions. Entitled: “Donald Trump Barely Pays Any Taxes: Will Anyone Care?” |
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Post by stewart on Sept 28, 2020 14:26:53 GMT
In any other nation on earth this alone would prevent unrigged re-election. Possibly not over there, sadly. And the only rigged outcome will be the one where he loses in his eyes. Lock him up and make him build the wall around him. Partly as I suspect there are more over there who see it as some sort of badge of honour to be dishonest and generally giving of no f*ck for the rest of society possessing as they do little by way of moral compass. Merely a self compass and warped one at that. Maybe it’s just website loons and I’m doing the general populace of US a percentage based disservice, though. Yes, it's one of the strangest things I have come across in all my 74 years on this earth, that so many people are taken in and impressed by a person with such a despicable mentality and personality. And yet a lot of them, when interviewed, say that he has done nothing for them in a practical sense, they just love his ability to lie at will and concoct outrageous conspiracy theories. I remember the final debate in 2016, when all of his opponents attempted to outline their policies but were constantly interrupted by one line sneering insults. This time round, however, he will undoubtedly be pressed on his approach to the virus and his attempts to ridicule the medical experts. His considerable Republican base will continue to sing his praises and vote for him blindly, despite his saying that at least the virus would enable him to avoid shaking hands with those "disgusting people". However, it seems that there any many more who will be disgusted by his dismissal of over 200,000 fatalities, as though they are a necessary sacrifice in his bid to be re-elected, and I'm looking forward to seeing how he responds to that at the debate. Being the liar that he is, he will probably say that most of them were sent illegal ballots anyway, so they don't matter. He is totally lacking in empathy and decency and I hope that Joe Biden wipes the floor with him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 16:07:02 GMT
Rob Lovely to see this thread warming up in advance of the First Debate and our Election correspondent’s impartial report on it that will follow. Was Trump a comically inept businessman ?, and how relevant would the answer be either way ? Having never tried to stand for school governor, or the US equivalent of a Parish Council before, to have your first go at politics and become President of the United States does mark him out as phenomenally successful at Politics, so maybe that should have been his true calling all along, rather than business. But as 3rd November is a political contest rather than a business one, I’d expect that to be the focus of the vast majority of the electorate. The business competence does seem a narrow point to labour, particularly a few weeks from polling day, but what are we to conclude ? … when it comes down to money making then the acumen of Joe Biden is astounding, and would make by far the more interesting story ….. if it were possible to unearth it …..  ……. Yet on the other hand, we hear that Trump is a buffoon and an inept businessman. Is a flair to deprive your business of money to the greater benefit of the taxman a business skill prized by the Left ? If so, then by that classification, Trump has indeed been inept.  I think all we’re witnessing here is once again an example of the Left’s many and ever mobile goalposts, as they try to kick in various different directions, in the hope that at least one effort might be vaguely on target. |
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Post by Rob on Sept 28, 2020 16:51:03 GMT
Main point in highlighting that article was the ‘Does anyone care re his taxes’ line. I don’t think you would read that headline if his paucity of tax paying as a rich individual had been uncovered in our western liberal democracy. The headline would be the candidates’ withdrawal from the contest, more likely, as a no turning back moment had been reached.
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Post by stewart on Sept 28, 2020 18:38:22 GMT
"Lovely to see this thread warming up in advance of the First Debate and our Election correspondent’s impartial report on it that will follow." I assume that you mean me and, incidentally, where is your Quote button?
You may consider me to be naive, and in some respects I probably am, but I am not bothered about Right or Left, liberal or militant, or bang in the middle up someone's own backside. What I do know is that I can tell a totally self-seeking liar, hypocrite and creator of division and hate when I see one.
Is anyone watching Channel 4 news right now? An unbiased source which has learned that the Trump campaign in 2016 used Cambridge Analytica to identify black voters and put out a multitude of lies to dissuade them from voting.
I would like to think that the majority of American people are straight and decent folk who deserve better than this corrupt individual. That may be another naive view in your opinion, but that's up to you.
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Post by Rob on Sept 28, 2020 19:22:57 GMT
I’m afraid AJ won’t see beyond the assertion that Channel 4 is unbiased, stewart. ‘Fake news‘ as a certain liar likes to claim when caught out deceiving!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 20:28:28 GMT
stewart Admin will have noted your question, and may well be along at some stage to provide an answer. I've taken note of your recommendation of Channel 4 news as an unbiased news source, Stewart. If Rob confirms that in his opinion that it does indeed qualify for such a definition, then I'll avail myself of its fair minded coverage during a few evenings this week. Thanks for the tip  |
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Post by Rob on Sept 28, 2020 22:49:13 GMT
You may partake, AJ.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 6:48:12 GMT
As I have already said, those debates are a load of bollocks!
Just shouting, insults and a pack of lies from both candidates!
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