European Union: In or Out ?

  REMAINIACS STRIKE BACK !



 



The enthralling Brexit saga trundles on, with no one entirely sure whether we're coming close to a resolution, or to what degree the 2016 referendum result will be respected and implemented, if at all. About one thing we can be sure, the Referee at tonight's game at Woking won't possibly be as biased as the bloke applying the rules in the House of Commons. Bercow will turn any law or convention on it's head if it aids the 'Remain' cause. 

As for what else might happen over the coming week, well that's anyone's guess. As difficult to predict as the date on which the September edition of TUST's August newsletter might come blinking into the light. If it's ever to be given life and able to drop into members in-boxes it appears a caesarean will be necessary.

But away from local Left wing politics and back to the struggle nationally, and frankly if BoJo has no greater ambition than to implement Remainer May's Surrender Treaty with a minor alteration or two to the backstop, then we're just as well to carry on as we are. The greater good will be achieved by purging the Tory Party of Red Phil Hammond, or Green Greening who to her credit has already agreed to walk the plank. A Conservative Party in name only, as we've witnessed for a decade or two, achieves nothing other than taking us along the Socialist road more slowly than Comrade Corbyn would .... as well as picking up votes under false pretences.

Dominic and BoJo will be plotting away in Number 10, while also making a big fuss of Dilyn, the recent four legged arrival. Are they pinning all their hopes on Jezza ?  Corbo for all his faults, knows that the 2nd Referendum campaign masterminded by the likes of Blair, Campbell, Mandelson and Fatboy Watson is being used every bit as much, if not more so, as a vehicle to undermine and replace him as Labour Party leader, as it is with any desire to get the 2016 Referendum result scrapped. So Jezza surely has no option but to plough on with his long running 'Bring it On' approach to a General Election. But when he looks behind him, how many of his own MP's, or those from the Liberal or Nationalist benches, will be lining up behind him ? There are a huge number of MP's ...mostly of a Remainiac persuasion, well aware that they got elected in strongly 'Leave' constituencies by giving no indication that they'd jettison their manifesto commitments once they got to Westminster. Those turncoats are in no hurry at all to face the electorate.

So it's the usual fun and games, but still an unedifying sight to observe the UK caught up in this Parliament v The People struggle. As former Leader of the House, Andrea Leadsom reminded us yesterday morning:





Who ever dreamed such fundamentals would ever need restating ? But the UK has descended to such a level where it may be possible to have our voice silenced by an elite who will insist they know what's best for us, and that therefore our ballot box instruction will be disregarded. The overturning of the 2016 Referendum result really would be indisputable proof that the UK had changed beyond all recognition, with a disregard for democratic conventions that it would surely be impossible to recover from.

Not a good start, Boris.

A mountain of a job facing Boris, but if he doesn't succeed it won't be for the lack of trying. Sweeping the Party clean of all those fake Tories was a task well overdue, and should be a big help to domestic politics in the long run, even if it's bolstered the anti-democratic forces during their current Brexit blocking.

Given the decades that have gone by since we were last a self governing nation, it's no surprise that so many agents of our Foreign masters currently occupy the benches of the House of Commons. At least its out in the open now that these people exist in large numbers within the British Parliament, bat for the other side, and quite brazenly line up with Barnier & Co to enhance EU interests while simultaneously weakening the UK's position. It's little wonder that such people are running scared of the ballot box and having to answer to the British people.

Now they've been flushed out into the open, there's no disguising the fact that the House of Commons has fallen to the Collaborators. A shock to the British general public, but the evidence was made crystal clear yesterday. Trusting voters realise they were hoodwinked by devious politicians who stood on a platform of delivering one outcome, while all the time working to achieve the opposite. And now for the moment, with the levers of power, they're pretty much doing as much damage as they can, before in many cases 'standing down' so as not to face the wrath of the British public when they finally allow us to vote on their antics.

One of the all time lows for the House of Commons. Who'd have ever thought we'd need to look to the House of Lords to try and rescue our democracy ?

Rob 

While Rob is entitled to his view that 'inability' has prevented Boris presenting proposals to the EU27 for changes to the backstop arrangement, I am less inclined to draw that conclusion.

It's a sticking point that Remainer May saw no way through, to the extent that she presented those same existing backstop proposals to parliament three times.

The conclusion I would draw is that putting alternative plans for the backstop in front of the EU would be entirely pointless unless and until you can plainly demonstrate to them that the consequence of having them turned down would be a No Deal exit by the UK, and a consequent £37 billion hit to the EU's already shaky economy. A no deal exit that we all, including the EU, knew full well that Remainer May would never for a moment contemplate.

Slap the proposals down without the means to back them up, and you waste time and achieve nothing. The EU sit tight, and quite rightly state that their collaborators in the British parliament inform them to not even bother flicking through any new document as they'll be seeing to it that the UK can only leave on terms that the EU is happy with. Our ability to leave of our own accord will be prevented by law.

All Boris has done is not put the cart before the horse. Not bothered making empty threats while so many MP's including the collaborators on his own benches wouldn't allow him to back up those threats.

Therefore to categorise it as an inability is something I doubt to be accurate. In the few weeks since Boris has become Prime Minister, had he spent his time labouring night and day on alternative proposals for the backstop, I wonder whether he would now be looking back on that as time well spent ? Would the current House of Commons be saying 'Good on you lad, go to that October summit and show them you mean business. We're behind you. They accept these changes or we're out, walking away, no deal, and they can whistle for their money'

Or are they, as my last post indicated, more interested in doing Boris down, and communicating with Barnier and the EU and taking advice from Blair as to how best to keep us in the EU, and ramping up further scare stories about us leaving ....'starvation, no medical supplies, all nurses leaving the country' etc.

Boris instead calculated that his time would be better spent on informing the public of his plans for improving schools, cutting crime, assisting business, and helping create a modern economy. The results of this are that he has gained himself a huge lead in the opinion polls and looks well set for a General Election victory (as evidenced by the obvious fear other Parties, including Corbyn who had been demanding an election at least 3 times a day for the last year or more, have of facing the electorate)

This was surely a more productive and sensible use of our Prime Minister's time. Had he instead been working 24 hours a day on the most marvellous alternative to the EU's backstop proposals, I'm convinced that he'd today have nothing to show for it. Efforts entirely down the drain.

Contrast that with what has been achieved....with how in reality he has spent that time. Re-familiarise yourself with the EU election results of only a few months ago, and the Tories emerging as the Party with most to fear from a General Election. Yet now, in early September we have the Tories as a rejuvenated Party most eagerly looking forward to such an election. Trade that transformation for a set of different backstop proposals that would have been put straight in the bin by Tusk, Barnier & Co with the help of this current EU collaborating Parliament ? What sheer madness that would have been. Nothing to do with inability on Boris' part, but good, sensible, well considered clear thinking.

Rob 


 The law of averages indicates that Rob had to be right eventually on some issue relating to politics, and even if many of us were doubtful we'd ever live long enough to see it, there may be a case for concluding that the time has well and truly come !

Could it be that Rob is correct on this, and that #ThePeoplesPrimeMinister (BoJo) has been using his time taking Dilyn for walks and not been dialling and re-dialling Brussels trying to discuss a prospective mutually beneficial deal with EU bigwigs ?  Frankly I was sceptical about Rob's claim ....that is until I read the weekends newspapers and their revelations as to what has really been going on, and the full extent of the traitorous underhand dealings that anti-British Remainiac MP's had been furtively engaged in.

When BoJo did eventually get through, only to be told by the EUHQ telephonist that there was no one available to speak to him due to EU leaders being immersed in plotting with Collaborators in how best to ensure a further extension in the quest to eventually stop Brexit altogether, did BoJo reluctantly conclude that there really was no point, and that anything he said to Tusk, Barnier etc, would be quickly relayed to the collaborators in our own Parliament and be used to create further obstructions to our Government and its attempts to implement official policy ?

#ThePeoplesPrimeMinister has an undiminished desire to secure a good deal by which the UK can exit the EU, but it now seems he also realises there may be no point at all in indulging in laying out his plans to the unreceptive ears of the chief Eurocrats ..... in fact to do so might be positively damaging to British interests if his thoughts and planning are dismissed, only to be fed to Blackford, Starmer, Hammond, and the other EU agents working against us from a home base.

So when that mid-October summit comes around, it's currently looking as if #ThePeoplesPrimeMinister will require a metaphorical gun that he can hold to the EU's head in order to get an acceptable deal, as otherwise there would be no point in attending at all. More than half the country, and all those who believe in democracy, would surely much rather be prepared to join Boris in the ditch, rather than witness a British Prime Minister humiliate his whole country by going to Europe in order to hand over a Surrender document from Britain.


Rob makes another insightful point in asking whether I'm going 'all centre-left again' ? Recognising that I'm nothing more than a moderate at heart (which explains why I speak out against Extremist influenced groups agitating to make progress as difficult as possible for a local football club). For any sensible Brexiteer the May Withdrawal Agreement really was the thing to be most scared of. It frightened the living daylights out of me, and the sighs of relief when parliament rejected it 3 times were considerable. Revocation of Article 50, and victory for Remain is infinitely preferable to what May had planned. Overturn the Referendum and keep us in the EU and the Remainiacs will reap what their undemocratic scheming has sown for decades to come. If the electorate can no longer have their will accepted peacefully via the ballot box, then a different political landscape would develop. May however, had come up with what, if it had been allowed to proceed, would have taken the sting out of Brexit, by effectively packaging 'Remain' with a 'Brexit' sticker on it. Yes you were legally out, but for all intents and purposes you were still in. And possibly more important than that, everything was set up so as to surreptitiously gradually integrate us back in over a relatively short time period .... particularly with a considerable number of young Remainiacs reaching voting age. I will be forever grateful to MPs for rejecting it, and hope above all, that it's not resurrected.

I don't see that BoJo would have been particularly opposed to the May deal ...and after all he did vote for it once. A tweak or two to the Irish backstop and that's fine with him. And remember BoJo hasn't got decades of anti EU sentiment burned into him the way a Farage or a Bill Cash has. He's more of a luke warm recent convert. Nor does a serious Right Winger win elections to get two terms as Mayor of London. BoJo favours a good number of very progressive policies that the majority of Londoners were very happy with. A strong belief in personal freedom, and that the result at the ballot box should be implemented as promised before the vote took place, are old fashioned values that are enough to get you labelled as a 'Right Winger' today, but go back a couple of decades and eighty percent of the British public would have believed in the same things. It's a different set of 'values' now of course, as we clearly see, and that is reflected in the sort of MP's we send to Parliament ....one's who will stand under one banner and declare their intention to take one course of action, yet go back on their word and fix another colour rosette to their lapel once they're in London.

But, as is clear, our Remainiac House of Commons finds itself, thanks to Speaker Bercow's reinterpretation of Parliamentary rules, able to manipulate the course of events to such an extent that Boris won't ever have the chance to present a repackaged May deal to them. They sniff total victory and are behaving accordingly. Leaving aside the other arguments, I am relieved to witness this as success for the May deal was by far the biggest concern.

And so the sides are more entrenched than ever. A more moderate, 'more in than out' option, that I think Boris would gladly have taken, has been made a non starter by Remainiac MPs empowered by the Speaker. Boris now finds himself with the choice of backing full Remain, or having to look to the only people willing to offer some support regarding us leaving, i.e Farage and his Brexit Party. The emboldened Remainiacs line is now unequivocally hard line - 'Get over there and grovel and present the Surrender Document as your EU loving masters (the Remainiac MPs in Westminster) command you to'. Or, if you want an ally, the only ones available are the hard line Leavers (Farge and The Brexit Party).

Will Remainers in the fullness of time, wish luke warm Brexiteer Boris had been allowed to repackage the May deal ? I rather think they will. He now has the option of totally humiliating himself or becoming No Deal Boris, blessed by Farage, and delivering a hardline Brexit that would never have been his natural inclination. So whether we get that or a total reversal of Brexit, I predict that in the long run, when they contemplate the future for Britain that has been created, a country riven with animosity, the Remainers will dearly wish MPs had accepted the May Deal, as our parliamentarians so easily could have done given their overwhelming majority in Parliament.

Varadkar confirms to Johnson’s face in their earlier press call that the UK have offered up nothing to resolve the backstop. Government required to publish Yellowhammer documents showing No Deal to be a disaster, but already seeking not to comply with that parliamentary vote either.

How on earth can the Prime Minister, one man, have the authority to shut down Parliament for five weeks for his own purposes, when there are so many important issues to be debated other than Brexit? There is clearly something radically wrong with parliamentary rules and procedures.

It cannot be any secret that I voted leave, as I started this thread over three years ago, however this man is a blustering, self-seeking, even flippantly ignorant buffoon, and because of him I am starting to change my mind. If this is how Johnson intends to deal with parliamentary business and the future of this country in such a frivolous manner, then I will probably support any party which can overthrow him, irrespective of Brexit. We have to get our priorities right.