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Post by lambethgull on Nov 11, 2012 19:56:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 20:00:42 GMT
As usual sound sense there Mr Wildebeeste. Are you watching, Alpine Joe? Welcome to the TFFSC, Steve! |
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Post by jmgull on Nov 11, 2012 20:50:34 GMT
I do not want a forum where we all play happy families, how many times have I said this in the past?  have good heated debates they are most welcome, but not the abuse etc. That's not really true though is it Dave? I used to post a lot on the TFF but really the majority of posts over the last year or so are topics that I haven't much to constructively add to (the excellent History stuff) the prediction league which doesn't concern me or the political stuff (sorry Lambeth!) - I guess I go on a TUFC football forum to discuss TUFC, football and other sports. There's been precious little that has made me even bothered to post these days. I challenged JamesB on a number of his posts recently (6) I wasn't abusive but I really felt the urge to respond when somebody, who is quite so opinionated at such length (mainly in a negative way) but is doing so from an ill informed perspective, i.e he cant be arsed, for whatever reason, to watch many games then he opens himself up for criticism or to put it another way "heated debate". I have no problem with opinions, we all have different ones, it's what makes the world go around. I'm no apologist for the club either, I try and see things how they are, I don't rate Jarvis, I think Easton's legs have gone, I certainly didn't rate Atieno and I thought Benyon would be lucky to have a long career at pro level.......others disagree - that's fine, I respect that. The match day thread only really got heated when daddyb (bear?) rather pathetically jumped to his (grown up) lad's defences - i was called a bully, cyber stalker?, told to crawl under a rock etc and pick on somebody my own size amongst other things.......for having a slightly heated debate on a TUFC thread. Even the moderator told me......to pipe down ;D. So Dave it's back to lurking for me, I leave you to your happy families and sterile website.....It's not for me. |
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2012 21:47:30 GMT
I'm sorry you feel that way Justin and view the site in that way. I remember back when I let Yellow come back on here after all the trouble he caused, you thought I was a big man then to let him come back. How many olive branches have I offered members on the TFF? lots I think. I read a post you made recently where you said some needed to show some consideration around the time Carol was so close to death and cut out the unnecessary very personal abuse that was being aimed my way. I have given my time freely over the last four years to the TFF, I just happen to believe a forum can exist where people can have good and proper debates without having to leave blood all over the walls. I have always had the greatest of respect for you and there has never been any issues between us. Yes Stuart is a dear and personal friend of mine and I love his family to bits and I know what a very good man he is. But I never took any sides on here last night, I just tried to take the sting out of the situation. The whole episode could have been dealt with in a better way of that I'm sure, but then we can all look back and wish we did things differently. A few years ago I said I was thinking about making the TFF just a Torquay United site, no one wanted that and so it has remained the same. The predicition league is something we do just to try and add bit of fun for those who want to take part. I have said in the past I can password that board so the posts won't show up in the last 75. Once again most said that was not necessary. There has been times I have wondered why I even bothered setting up the TFF, times when I wished I had not. But on such days I think back to what Carol would say to me. " you love the TFF and you know what it means to you and while not everyone will like it, keep doing it for those that do" I have made many mistakes running this forum, as I once said it did not come with a set of instructions, but I have and will always try my best to provide a good and happy place for TUFC fans to gather and share their thoughts etc. If they don't like the place, well at least I tried to create something good and I would rather try and fail, than never have tried at all. As I have said, my spelling and english is so poor,thank heavens for spell checkers, but I enjoy writing and only want to be a member on here and not have to deal with the things that so nearly did see me heading off to berryhead  My heart as always been in the right place Justin and I have never meant anyone any harm in my life,or caused anybody any, I try to do good and do the right thing. PS how is the veg business going? I bet the prices are going to be high at Xmas with all the bad weather we have had. Take good care Dave |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 22:38:31 GMT
So Dave it's back to lurking for me, I leave you to your happy families and sterile website.....It's not for me. Well, it's still for me, and I don't find TFF to be sterile at all. As for happy families, if that means refraining from personal attacks and not writing anything you wouldn't be prepared to say to someone in person, then that's a good thing, in my opinion. TFF has nothing to apologise for or to be ashamed of. JMGull, I don't blame you for wanting to take your ball home because I have done the same thing myself re my home town club but this really doesn't seem like a resignation issue. Better you take a day or two to think about why Rob asked you to tone things down, reflect on whether your response is proportionate, and then be welcomed back where you belong. |
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Post by Rags on Nov 12, 2012 13:27:23 GMT
I don’t know either of the personalities involved but really feel freedom of reply should be allowed.
We have non-stop posts telling us how poor the team is, how bad the league is etc etc from someone who rarely appears to leave his bedroom.
Someone who actually attends then dares to contest this view Not that James isn't more than capable of defending himself but I'd just like to say... I've been to Plainmoor twice so far this season and have had very interesting discussions with JamesB on both occasions (when Jon let's him say anything! ). I went to the Southend and Crewe games last April and he was there on both occasions (er, I'm fairly certain he was, anyway). As you can see from another thread he spends a lot of time in the studios of Radio Warwick contributing to award-winning broadcasts. We can (and I do!) criticise someone for criticising the team in games they havn't been to see, but to suggest that James "rarely appears to leave his bedroom" is unnecessary and, IMHO, a cheap shot. I'll continue to argue against his statistical viewpoints, and I expect him to stand his ground and give a view he believes to be accurate even if we all disagree with him. Without wishing to sound patronising (and I bet it will sound patronising!), he's a thoughtful and interesting man to talk to, more knowledgeable about football than I was at his age, and I hope he continues to analyse football as much as he already has done. Of course, his shots/goals ratio standpoint is absolute garbage, but that's the youth of today for you! ;D |
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Post by JamesB on Nov 12, 2012 15:18:44 GMT
I wasn't at the Crewe game. However, I have seen you more recently at the Burton match. Or was it the Plymouth match? May have been both actually
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Post by Jon on Nov 13, 2012 0:11:06 GMT
Much as Stu is a very good mate of mine and I have a soft spot for his lad - even though he is an irritating little git - I do not agree at all with comments that Justin is some kind of stalker or bully.
Yes, the "Get a life" comment did overstep the mark and should not have been made.
I saw it a bit like John Cleese being very rude to the pet shop owner in saying that his parrot had "f***ing snuffed it". Cleese did only resort to that in utter exasperation after going to great pains to explain nicely and extremely eloquently that the bird had passed away only for the pet shop owner to carry on as if it had not.
Justin has been a contributor on this and other TUFC sites for years. His comments and thoughts are usually worth reading not least because as well as having watched a lot of lower league football, he has also played for and captained sports teams at a very competitive level.
That means that he is always very mindful of the fact that players and managers are human beings and that competitive sport is not quite as easy peasy as someone whose knowledge is limited to extensive reading of fans forums and twitter accounts might think. He also knows a thing or two about what makes a decent breakfast.
The fact that his most recent posts may all have been in response to James' posts is, I am absolutely sure, nothing personal. It is merely that the only things that have provoked him into having a strong opinion have been some of the posts that James has been coming up with. If anybody else had posted equally reality-challenged material, I am sure they would have got the same treatment.
Dave talked about this site being a "historical record" and if that is to be the case, you want illogical comments to be strongly challenged. If they are not, future generations might take the lack of challenge as acceptance that there is some truth in them.
I think it is a shame if Justin feels he shouldn't demolish the "it's a terrible division" theory, but Barty has already told us it is folly to assume that points distribution can lead to a judgment of quality and DVN has rightly pointed out that points distribution this season is pretty standard anyway.
So, to sum up : Stu - calm down mate. Justin - please continue to comment on the breakfast thread and on football threads. Try not to get personal even under extreme provocation and remember what the "banging your head against a brick wall" smiley is for!
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Post by Dave on Nov 13, 2012 7:03:57 GMT
The voice of sense and reason very well put Jon
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Post by stuartB on Nov 13, 2012 9:17:52 GMT
Much as Stu is a very good mate of mine and I have a soft spot for his lad - even though he is an irritating little git - I do not agree at all with comments that Justin is some kind of stalker or bully. Yes, the "Get a life" comment did overstep the mark and should not have been made. I saw it a bit like John Cleese being very rude to the pet shop owner in saying that his parrot had "f***ing snuffed it". Cleese did only resort to that in utter exasperation after going to great pains to explain nicely and extremely eloquently that the bird had passed away only for the pet shop owner to carry on as if it had not. Justin has been a contributor on this and other TUFC sites for years. His comments and thoughts are usually worth reading not least because as well as having watched a lot of lower league football, he has also played for and captained sports teams at a very competitive level. That means that he is always very mindful of the fact that players and managers are human beings and that competitive sport is not quite as easy peasy as someone whose knowledge is limited to extensive reading of fans forums and twitter accounts might think. He also knows a thing or two about what makes a decent breakfast. The fact that his most recent posts may all have been in response to James' posts is, I am absolutely sure, nothing personal. It is merely that the only things that have provoked him into having a strong opinion have been some of the posts that James has been coming up with. If anybody else had posted equally reality-challenged material, I am sure they would have got the same treatment. Dave talked about this site being a "historical record" and if that is to be the case, you want illogical comments to be strongly challenged. If they are not, future generations might take the lack of challenge as acceptance that there is some truth in them. I think it is a shame if Justin feels he shouldn't demolish the "it's a terrible division" theory, but Barty has already told us it is folly to assume that points distribution can lead to a judgment of quality and DVN has rightly pointed out that points distribution this season is pretty standard anyway. So, to sum up : Stu - calm down mate. Justin - please continue to comment on the breakfast thread and on football threads. Try not to get personal even under extreme provocation and remember what the "banging your head against a brick wall" smiley is for! Hi Jon, nothing to calm down about mate. It's a pity you weren't in the same room as me when i was typing, you may have heard the sniggering. That's the problem with emails etc is that you read them the way you think the person is thinking and not the way it is intended. Therefore, far from "getting down with the kids" the odd smiley should convey the fact that you are being lighthearted or cheeky but obviously it doesn't register with those a bit older I'm sure we can discuss further on saturday on the Popside (Justin is welcome to join us aswell) as I do not want to clutter this site up anymore with pointless comment about my son. I am very proud of him and wish I could write as well as he does (even if he is a bit like Victor Meldrew/ chelstongull) |
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Post by jmgull on Nov 13, 2012 15:12:37 GMT
Jon.....I appreciate your comments, you have it, as usual spot on. The "get a life" comment was out of order - I'm sure had someone said it to me, I would have reacted too. It may have looked like I was targeting James when the last 6 posts that I made on the site were to basically argue his forcefully made point of view, with an equally forcefully made repost. It was never my intention to bully him and I regret that it may have looked like that to some - people who know me personally will know that thankfully. James probably bore the brunt of my increasing frustration with the ill informed negativity for the sake of it on football forums in general. It's really why I post rarely compared to what I once did. I also,really shouldn't read .net after games, James is positively a rose-tinter compared to several on there ;D Add the fact that I'd just done a 360 mile round trip (and got a puncture) to watch us park the bus for a 0-0 - I wasn't in the best of moods. So James, carry on posting - (I actually agree with some of it, ok may be just the odd bit!) and Stuart, blood is thicker than water - hopefully we're both old enough and ugly enough to put our spat behind us. I hate flouncers........but as it seems it's de rigueur on football forums these days, I'll happily take this one opportunity to de-flounce Can't get it into the fascination with old trains though  and as much as I love my home town I really don't care much what it used to look like - I guess I must be the one missing out because everybody else seems to. I might start a thread about poker theory, strategies in depth hand analysis and bad beats just to get my own back  |
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Post by stuartB on Nov 13, 2012 15:43:46 GMT
Jon.....I appreciate your comments, you have it, as usual spot on. The "get a life" comment was out of order - I'm sure had someone said it to me, I would have reacted too. It may have looked like I was targeting James when the last 6 posts that I made on the site were to basically argue his forcefully made point of view, with an equally forcefully made repost. It was never my intention to bully him and I regret that it may have looked like that to some - people who know me personally will know that thankfully. James probably bore the brunt of my increasing frustration with the ill informed negativity for the sake of it on football forums in general. It's really why I post rarely compared to what I once did. I also,really shouldn't read .net after games, James is positively a rose-tinter compared to several on there ;D Add the fact that I'd just done a 360 mile round trip (and got a puncture) to watch us park the bus for a 0-0 - I wasn't in the best of moods. So James, carry on posting - (I actually agree with some of it, ok may be just the odd bit!) and Stuart, blood is thicker than water - hopefully we're both old enough and ugly enough to put our spat behind us. I hate flouncers........but as it seems it's de rigueur on football forums these days, I'll happily take this one opportunity to de-flounce Can't get it into the fascination with old trains though and as much as I love my home town I really don't care much what it used to look like - I guess I must be the one missing out because everybody else seems to. I might start a thread about poker theory, strategies in depth hand analysis and bad beats just to get my own back both too old and too ugly!! time to move on |
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Post by JamesB on Nov 13, 2012 16:17:38 GMT
That's fair enough, JM. I agree on Benyon too - never understood the fuss (ditto Jake Robinson ) I appreciate I may have gone a little too far with my negativity. I think it got to a point where it's not really representative of what I think overall - there is much we can be grateful of and it is ultimately a positive that people are complaining about how we are playing when we have the luxury of being 8th. Having said that, I still think it's a poor division, although that's not something I can prove yet Glad this has come to a peaceful resolution without anyone deleting their accounts this time |
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Post by Dave on Nov 13, 2012 17:03:40 GMT
I might start a thread about poker theory, strategies in depth hand analysis and bad beats just to get my own back Now you are talking  Lyn loved playing poker when she lived down in Plymouth, we did join a poker club in Newton Abbot but ended up leaving and just playing on line together. I had never played before and sadly for us over at Newton they had buy-ins and it was ok for the rich ones like our Keyberrygull but it got to expensive for us. |
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Post by loyalgull on Nov 13, 2012 17:28:23 GMT
better get going on putting some of my usual crap posts up then
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have good heated debates they are most welcome, but not the abuse etc. 
and as much as I love my home town I really don't care much what it used to look like - I guess I must be the one missing out because everybody else seems to.