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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 15:45:53 GMT
Is it not possible to have a dedicated photograph board? which would not clog up the main board-just a thought!! I actually sympathise with Mike over this because, when I bung on another fifteen pictures from somewhere like Goole or Guiseley, I can see they may get in the way of somebody seeking pithy comment about that afternoon's match at Plainmoor. I also know there will be those who welcome something more "left field". I guess this is all a consequence of the "last 75" facility: posts on a variety of themes that reflect the diverse character of this message board. That's the nature of the beast after all. Dave is right in saying there are designated sub-sections of this site which can be accessed in the old-fashioned way. And, although we frequently wander off topic - and clearly enjoy doing so - we're pretty good at starting threads in the right places. The indexing and navigation around the site strikes me as pretty good. So I can't see an obvious answer other than saying people have a choice: last 75 or through the sub-sections; choosing a more-focused TUFC site or one that covers a multitude of stuff and nonsense such as this one. Swings and roundabouts: some people give up on us because of our randomness; others are attracted by it. But, whilst I'm not really advocating any need for change, I'll play Devil's Advocate for a moment. How about two sites? TFF for the Torquay United material; TFF Extra for all the rest. I'm not convinced but it may open up a discussion.
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Post by lambethgull on Nov 11, 2012 16:30:33 GMT
I think the forum categories work pretty well tbh, and I enjoy the leftfield stuff as much as the next person. I'm not an exclusive poster or reader of TUFC matters. The point I'd make is that whilst no-one wants to see endless slanging matches, it's probably equally true that only a small minority want to visit a forum that only contains posts about the Singer family, South Devon League games and essays about whether referees are biased or not. Compare, for instance, the number of posts and page views on the 'derailed' thread last night and the version on the pop side this morning, and the number of posts made elsewhere
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2012 16:40:16 GMT
I will reply to your post shortly lambie and give my thoughts on the post Nick made.
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Post by chelstongull on Nov 11, 2012 17:04:16 GMT
I think James is more than capable of dealing with what ever is thrown at him Stu. Wish I was.
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Post by loyalgull on Nov 11, 2012 17:28:26 GMT
I think James is more than capable of dealing with what ever is thrown at him Stu. Wish I was. her indoors been lobbing plates at you chelstongull?
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2012 17:33:04 GMT
Not an opinion I share Lambie. The TFF provides a platform for those who want intelligent debate. We try and promote a friendly environment and also friendships between our members etc. We do not provide a platform for people to make arrangements to have a punch up after the match. I have nothing further to add on this thread and will soon be going out to take some pictures of the older parts of Paignton. Well the half a dozen people on the planet who want to read about Paignton's medieval walls or Newton Abbott's almshouses will continue to be well catered for then. But there's nothing like a good scrap to get the posts and page views coming in - and it's not as if the TFF is brimful with posts and debate otherwise is it? Each to their own Lambie, I have always taken the view there is far more in life than football and that is the reason this forum was set up the way it is. The TFF is a place we can talk football and about anything else as well if we like. Your political posts on here do nothing for me at all, nor a good number of our other members. But you like to discuss such things and do so freely on here. The concept of this forum is by design different from the normal type of football forum, it was not an accident and a great deal of thought went into it and setting it up the way it is. You can't have a world on here where you can talk about the things you are into such as politics etc, then try and make others feel bad because they post about the things they enjoy. As far as my local match reports are concerned, they are posted in a room made just for them. I enjoy writing them and taking my match pictures and all you need to do is scroll past such posts, much in the same way I scroll past your political ones. I know a number of the lads who played in the game I watched, came on here as guests and were pleased to read a match report on their game and enjoyed seeing some pictures of the match. Instead of spending time writing on this thread you could have started. a new debate on something that you do enjoy talking about, or posted your thoughts on yesterdays match. No sadly the TFF is not as busy these days as it once was. There was a time members from the other forum would post on here, but they stopped because some on here made them feel unwelcome. Made them feel they were members of a kids forum and not worthy to post with the so called elite on here. They were fellow fans and as far as I was concerned were always welcome to use the TFF. Then we had posters on here who as good as used sticks to poke other members into heated debates that resulted in the one being poked, deleting their accounts. While those with the sticks went in search of their next victim. Yes that really helped the TFF hey lambie, yes I remember everyone should have had thicker skins so it was their own fault. No that's crap, they had things to say and were happy to say them, why the hell should they end up being picked on by the keyboard type bully's? If that's the sort of debating styles you want to see Lambie, then maybe the TFF is not your type of forum and you need to find one more suitable to your needs. I pay the fees for our custom domain and also the redirect fees, I do the coding that's needed along with making the banners etc. I try to post on a good number of the threads that are running, I try and play my part as a member of the TFF. Rob does a fine job running the TFF with the lightest amount of moderation. I can't make members post, I only wish I could, but I will provide an environment where they feel they can free from abuse etc. I have been over this in the past and have no wish to keep going over the same old ground. This is the TFF it made its case what sort of forum it was, nothing has changed and is ever likely too. Nick. Thanks for writing your post about how things work on the TFF etc, I could not have put it better myself. Never be concerned about putting pictures up, not everyone will like them, but we can't please everyone all of the time. I'm more than happy with the layout and have enough issues trying to run just one forum so won't be looking to set up another one. On the whole it all works very well and as you pointed out, members can just go into the rooms that interest them, if they want to avoid the things that don't. Right wasted enough time going over old ground again, time to take a look at the Pictures I took today ;D
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Post by longeatongull on Nov 11, 2012 17:50:15 GMT
as i am in the bench.... Best I try and refrain from commenting on James' posts in the future....for the sake of your blood pressure. I won't even ask him how he knows that this is a "terrible" league this year..... you stick to the bench mate with all the other old gits. My blood pressure is fine thanks at least your last posts have been targeted elsewhere tonight. How is uncle alan's forum these days? I don’t know either of the personalities involved but really feel freedom of reply should be allowed. We have non-stop posts telling us how poor the team is, how bad the league is etc etc from someone who rarely appears to leave his bedroom. Someone who actually attends then dares to contest this view and all of a sudden Daddy appears in the playground with a load of smileys ;D ;D ;D (so he appears to be down with the kids!). We joined this Forum because we support TUFC so surely having somebody try and show support to the Team should be allowed to speak. In recent history we know how low down the pyramid we were and many of us are grateful where we are today. Many other Teams would swop places bearing in mind our cautious Board of Directors, frugal Manager and threadbare squad battling away—a fantastic Team effort!! Finally perhaps the Mod should have issued warnings to both parties as this issue has been a slow burner, rather than just to one person. Oh yeah sorry nearly forgot…… ;D ;D.
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Post by lambethgull on Nov 11, 2012 17:51:30 GMT
Each to their own Your political posts on here do nothing for me at all, nor a good number of our other members. Difference is, Dave, I'm not the one cutting posts out of threads, complaining about posts that were made over TWO years ago, and then wondering why there are only a handful of posts made all day. If you want to run a forum where everyone plays happy families and writes poems about how wonderful Paignton is, then fair dos. As you say, you pay the bills. Just don't be surprised when tumbleweed is all you have for company.
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2012 18:01:28 GMT
LEG Justin said what he had to say, the TFF never stopped him from doing so, I only stayed on here late because I did not want things to get out of hand. I personally hate seeing people falling out, there is enough of it that goes on in the real world away from Internet forums. Lambie the posts were not deleted an remain as they were written, they were not really suitable to be on the match day thread and were moved for that reason only. I see nothing wrong taking that action. I do not want a forum where we all play happy families, how many times have I said this in the past? have good heated debates they are most welcome, but not the abuse etc.
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Nov 11, 2012 18:02:04 GMT
I think it was quite a valid move to snip the selection of posts out Lamby and transfer them to here. They were hardly anything to do with yesterdays match were they?
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Post by JamesB on Nov 11, 2012 18:14:31 GMT
you stick to the bench mate with all the other old gits. My blood pressure is fine thanks at least your last posts have been targeted elsewhere tonight. How is uncle alan's forum these days? I don’t know either of the personalities involved but really feel freedom of reply should be allowed. We have non-stop posts telling us how poor the team is, how bad the league is etc etc from someone who rarely appears to leave his bedroom. Someone who actually attends then dares to contest this view and all of a sudden Daddy appears in the playground with a load of smileys ;D ;D ;D (so he appears to be down with the kids!). We joined this Forum because we support TUFC so surely having somebody try and show support to the Team should be allowed to speak. In recent history we know how low down the pyramid we were and many of us are grateful where we are today. Many other Teams would swop places bearing in mind our cautious Board of Directors, frugal Manager and threadbare squad battling away—a fantastic Team effort!! Finally perhaps the Mod should have issued warnings to both parties as this issue has been a slow burner, rather than just to one person. Oh yeah sorry nearly forgot…… ;D ;D. OK I'll bite On the contrary, how about allowing freedom to post what we want in the first place even if it's not the happy smiling all singing all dancing affair many people seem to want this place to be regardless of performances on the pitch? The impression I get is that there are a few fans who refuse to criticise the club in any circumstances out of "loyalty". The same reasoning has been most Cardiff fans have refused to take any action against the club's owner and his daft decisions which are threatening the fabric and survival of the football club - they are brainless sheep digging their own grave as a club. Loyalty and support only goes so far - after that it becomes spinelessness. It is vital that a club has the capacity for self-criticism - otherwise no one would ever have stood up to Roberts Ultimately forums aren't for "getting behind the lads" - I will be at Plainmoor on Saturday and I will be supporting my team just the same as everyone else, but that doesn't mean I can't be critical in another realm. I'd like to think the players and staff aren't reading this (for their own sake) but they shouldn't take any criticism online as a lack of support - we all want the club to do as well as possible, and criticism comes from frustration that that isn't happening. So anyone coming onto a forum and saying "don't criticise, get behind the lads" is missing the point The against-all-odds knight in shining armour jmgull "daring" to contest this view is merely him (quite literally) only posting when I post something that he construes to be negative, even when it actually isn't criticism - for one he managed to twist a comment about Robinson returning from a loan spell into a "dig" at the club, which it wasn't And for him to say "oh no officer, I'm not bullying him" is just use of a "clever" trolling tactic that I've seen numerous times on forums - consistently having a go at someone and then hiding behind his/her avoidance of use of outright abusive language. Of course just because he's not f-ing and blinding doesn't mean it's not bullying. I don't really care about what he thinks but that is what he's trying to do "Non-stop" posts about terrible things are? Perhaps you should take a lot at Dot Net - that should put this place into perspective, as over there it genuinely is a constant stream of negativity. This place is Disney World in comparison. There are plenty of people "standing up" to Big Bad Me here, not just noble jmgull. I'm happy to debate with most of them because I know they don't mean harm, respect their opinions and appreciate the angle from which they are coming. I know they're not sniping
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 18:17:41 GMT
I enjoy reading both LambethGull's syndicalist take on life and Dave's whimsical musings and local match reports; also Barton's artistic photos and wordsmanship, Jon's historical gems, JamesB's occasional heartfelt grumpiness, Alpine Joe's entertainingly provocative prods in the direction of the TFF Socialist Collective and all the rest. It's all good stuff and part of the eclectic mix which makes the forum stand out, and as Dave says, if there is something on here that doesn't take our fancy we can always skip it and find something that does.
Compared to most other football boards the TFF is a haven of peace but sometimes an argument can get out of hand which is not only boring for those not involved but can also, I should think, be quite upsetting for those who are. I'd say that while usually those who disagree with JamesB make their point in a friendly manner he does also tend to attract some more personal stuff which says nothing about him but quite a lot about those who write it.
Like many of the fans who use the TFF I do dip into BTPIR as well. I understand that BTIPR was set up as a kind of AFC TFF when Merse and Dave fell out, although over what I don't know and, furthermore, don't need to know. There is still a tendency, especially on BTPIR, to try and create an unnecessary civil war between the two boards, which in my opinion doesn't add to the enjoyment of either. Although a short difference of opinion, pithily expressed, can be entertaining, grudges and feuds lead to people writing stuff which would be better left unwritten, which leads me back to StuartB's original point to JMGull.
Stuart obviously monitors what other contributors says both to and about his lad and it seems to me that he is quite entitled to have a go back against someone who appears to have been picking on James unfairly. Dave then had the right to try and make peace and LambethGull the right to disagree but both arguments have run their course now. It's time to move on, comrades!
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2012 18:44:40 GMT
A good sound sensible post wildebeeste, trying to create a war between forums is nothing new and something we worked hard on to try and stamp out. There is no need for it, fans are free to make the choice where they want to post, we all the do the same job, only have different ways how we go about it.
Right my last post on this subject, I hope we can all just move on and put today behind us.
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Post by lambethgull on Nov 11, 2012 19:40:27 GMT
Happy to let matters rest, but I should say that I read every post I come across on here (and let's face it, it's not like there's hundreds to read wade through every time I log on). I read Dave's posts myself, I was just pointing out that not everyone can be expected to post in the same manner or about the same subjects.
I don't think there's anything "to put behind us" either. It's just a pretty mundane conversation about a bloody message board!
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Post by stefano on Nov 11, 2012 19:43:04 GMT
As usual sound sense there Mr Wildebeeste. I am registered with all 3 Torquay fans sites and I will post on all of them when I see something I think I can or should contribute to. I am definitely a reader rather than a writer most of the time but the whole reason I sought out forums for fans of Torquay United was that I wanted to hear what fellow Torquay fans thought about events at the club. All 3 sites are different. I find no difficulty going on what is sometimes disparagingly referred to as the "kiddies site" (I am 61 in 3 months time and many of the regular posters are 40's to 60's). That was apparently the original site and this forum TFF emerged out of many people being dissatisfied with that site. I've no idea what went on as that was well before I had looked at any forum. Then as you mentioned another split came about on the TFF and out of that emerged BTPR. What I like about the 3 sites is how different they are. Merse deliberately avoided trying to replicate what the TFF do and rightly so. There is some excellent stuff on BTPR and I think it does not try to be in competition with TFF. The History and Programmes sections on here are outstanding and I have never stumbled across anything like it when having a quick peek at other clubs fans forums before we are due to play them. For a club of our size with small attendances I think it is amazing that there are THREE forums that I find interesting. I hope it settles down again on here but I also hope not to the point of becoming boring. I have told Lambeth that he is an idiot many times albeit not using that actual word but if he left the site I would miss his alternative views to the ones I normally hold and would mourn his departure as one would mourn the passing of a good friend. I normally can stand back though and let Alpine do all the anti-far left stuff. Possibly the funniest poster on any of the forums, he is also comfortable with all three. Vive la difference!
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