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Post by Budleigh on Nov 15, 2010 19:24:57 GMT
Because I was simply showing that Barnet may not be as bad a side as their league position suggests they are and maybe that should be taken into account!
I have also made no bones about the fact that Torquay United were poor and lacklustre on the day.
(I'm hitting my head against a bloody brick wall with this one...)
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Post by Dave on Nov 15, 2010 19:33:48 GMT
Because I was simply showing that Barnet may not be as bad a side as their league position suggests they are and maybe that should be taken into account! I have also made no bones about the fact that Torquay United were poor and lacklustre on the day. (I'm hitting my head against a bloody brick wall with this one...) Its the account part I'm having a problem with Leigh  why would we need to take into account they may be a better side than their league position suggests? how does that have any bearing on the way we played? |
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Post by aussie on Nov 15, 2010 19:42:30 GMT
One of the reasons we were so poor on the day is because we did what a lot of fans are doing and not showing the oppostion enough respect! Leigh is spot on, perhaps being there to see what happened might help a little! I know Meerkat was there but expect him to use this game to whip Buckle as hard as possible! The higher the oppostion in the league the easier it is to play football, the lower they are the more of a battle it is, people keep reffering to a one off incident when they got hammered 7-0 away nearer the start of the season, we had a blip were we didn`t get hardly any results and we played well in a few of those games and possibly should have deserved more points wise, well as it happened we got sod all and this what Barnet are experiencing at the moment but hey don`t let a good slagging of the team get int he way of common sense!  |
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Post by alunmeerkat on Nov 15, 2010 19:49:02 GMT
I don't think I said anything about the manager at all did I. I just said it was an appaling pefomance which it was. I don't think the 7-0 hammering is that relevant but taken in the context that they have only got one point all season away all season isn't it a reasonable assumption that they are not very good?
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Post by Budleigh on Nov 15, 2010 20:03:45 GMT
It doesn't have any bearing on the way we played, as I made clear, but it may on the result of the match. There are two parts to this, not one. I was bringing out both.
I will state again, we played poorly... I haven't argued that point at all, and I'm not saying that a better performance would've possibly seen us get a winning result.
What I am suggesting is there are those who believe that Torquay United, by rights, should beat a team at the bottom of the league because by being in that position they must be there to be shot at. But having talked to a number of their people before the game it became apparent that the team had been playing, at times, beyond the position they found themselves in. They were not a 'Newport County' bottom-of-the-league type sitting duck but a competent side that were starting to find their feet.
It was nothing to do with the performance that United failed to produce but I was stating that when all is said and done Barnet are not a side who are as bad as previous results might suggest. It may well be that in three or four months time we look back see a vast improvement in Barnet's league position.
I think you may've misunderstood my wording on this for which I apologise.
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Post by lambethgull on Nov 15, 2010 20:55:33 GMT
Barnet may not be as bad as all that (and 13 points is hardly a shockingly bad total), but every struggling team bemoans its lack of luck and inability to "get what they deserve". Hardly surprising to hear this version of events trotted out by "a couple of the Barnet guys".
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Post by Budleigh on Nov 15, 2010 21:32:23 GMT
I'm not going to go into who these 'couple of Barnet guys' were, but be assured that I know when someone is 'bemoaning their luck' or not, and they weren't.
If they had been doing so I wouldn't have posted any of the above...
They were discussing, in a quite philosophical and balanced way, the situation at their club as regards the position they found themselves in the league. They explained what they had decided needed tweeking, having discussed it with their management team, and how they had gone about changing these things over the previous few weeks to improve the situation. It really was explained to me in a matter-of-fact way with no pretence to the typical hard-luck stories.
When the conversation was over it was quite clear to me that they had worked hard, throughout the club, to correct the problems and that they were close to turning the corner.
As I said above, they were certainly not ones to 'bemoan their luck', more the type to realise where the shortfalls were and to go out and correct them.
That is why, before kick-off, I felt that this wasn't the 'push-over' game that many expected.
That we didn't win was quite probably down to the ineptitude of the United team, but a 'push-over' team would've folded after that first goal and Barnet didn't.
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Post by wrangatongulls on Nov 15, 2010 22:22:04 GMT
Hmm, we played poorly against barnet but i think the problems go back further, at the beginning of the season the defence played as a unit, all together, watching them work was like poetry the movement, the covering, the whole shebang, sadly ellis was injured and was missing for a couple games but once he returned the old cohesion of before didnt return.
On saturday we had nico and branston shouting at each other, bevan and branston at each other and ellis and branston along with mansell and bevan and i'm sure there was probably more, however this level of argueing didnt happen earlier in the year, now, most of this was BEFORE they scored!
Even, their goal was because we left a man unmarked while at least two of our players argued over who was going to do what.
Okane and stevens have had a slagging for being ineffectual during the match but did anything really change when they went off? i dont think so yea rose broke through the once! so did the others in the first half and at least they scored!
The question is what changed while ellis was out? before he went we could pass and since then we dont seem able to for any legth of time.
The boys all work hard on the pitch (wroe accepted) but we look like a group of individuals not a team who work as one.
I dont feel we played any better in the bury game(yes it was exciting but we played very little good football) we know we will not have time on the ball against these sides but as has already been said hoofing the ball wont work.
On the other hand if we can play THAT bad and still get a point things cant be too bad, can they?
I dont have all the answers but i sure as hell hope buckle has.
By the way stefano i did stay to the end, and it DID take me till six to get home,i should of left early too !
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Post by stefano on Nov 15, 2010 22:23:43 GMT
I don't think I said anything about the manager at all did I.? I just said it was an appalling pefomance which it was. I don't think the 7-0 hammering is that relevant but taken in the context that they have only got one point all season away all season isn't it a reasonable assumption that they are not very good? Well you did say something about the manager but it was "I'm not blaming the Manager at all" so no blame can be put forward there. Some very balanced reports from you in recent weeks Mr Meerkat and lets hope the team don't provoke you back to your old ways! |
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Post by stefano on Nov 15, 2010 22:34:51 GMT
Barnet may not be as bad as all that (and 13 points is hardly a shockingly bad total), but every struggling team bemoans its lack of luck [/color]and inability to "get what they deserve". Hardly surprising to hear this version of events trotted out by " a couple of the Barnet guys".[/quote] Haven't we been doing that for weeks? Hit the post or bar 18 times, outplayed everybody, but didn't win for about 9 games. Only a thought  |
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Post by lambethgull on Nov 15, 2010 23:09:47 GMT
Barnet may not be as bad as all that (and 13 points is hardly a shockingly bad total), but every struggling team bemoans its lack of luck [/color]and inability to "get what they deserve". Hardly surprising to hear this version of events trotted out by " a couple of the Barnet guys".[/quote] Haven't we been doing that for weeks? Hit the post or bar 18 times, outplayed everybody, but didn't win for about 9 games. Only a thought [/quote] Yep, and no team I have been involved with have been any different. The manager always thinks he knows the solution, 'knows where things can be tweaked' and knows who or what to blame. If he doesn't - or at least can't persuade others that he does - then the odds are he's on his way out... I'm not saying the Barnet fellas aren't in posession of the answers, or that they will remain bottom - they're not exactly cut adrift are they? - but the facts are that a team in the top seven playing at home against the bottom team should be setting the other team more problems than we seemed to have set the opposition on Saturday. |
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Post by petef on Nov 16, 2010 10:16:34 GMT
It's plain to see that you need at least one player to inspire the rest, preferably a forward who can strike a bit of fear in oposing defenders and make them a little uncertain. That just didnt happen on Saturday. We no longer have a Carayol, who though incosistent could bamboozle defenders at will. Zebroski is the only other player who has the ability power and work rate to lift the rest. From the very start we have to get at defences and set the pattern we simply didnt do that on Saturday and is usually the case particularly when we so often struggle at home.
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Post by rjdgull on Nov 16, 2010 11:19:11 GMT
Looking at dot com, following a fair amount of "feedback" at the club, it looks like the goal music has been red carded!!!  |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Nov 16, 2010 13:49:27 GMT
Just to throw a bit of support behind Bud, spoke to a Shrews supporting mate last night (Lo Tiger!) who felt they were lucky to get the 3 points against Barnet who "put them under the cosh for the last half an hour". Barnet keeper "had a bit of a mare" as well |
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Post by Budleigh on Nov 16, 2010 15:11:57 GMT
Thanks mate... was beginning to think I'd completely lost the ability to get a point across!!
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why would we need to take into account they may be a better side than their league position suggests? how does that have any bearing on the way we played?
