Luke McCormick

I'm sure I read somewhere that we are the most over crowded island in the world I think you are correct Phil, I'm sure I heard that we are now more over crowed that Holland, so our Island will find It hard to stay above water soon.

How can a typist be awarded such high damages, when like you say our own armed forces get so little for their injuries, doing the job they do for our country. Mind you don't start me on should even be In two countries at this time, putting young mens lives at risk and I ask for what.

The think Is how do we the good people who are left, find a way to change what Is going on, doing nothing Is not the answer, but I know I don't have any answers.

Not according to this we aren't:

www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/evandavis/2007/10/a_crowded_island.html

Sounds like we are pretty empty compared to the likes of Belgium and Holland (And Jersey!).

As Merse would say (although I can't quote him!), that's the sort of duff info you get if you read the Sun! ;D

It says in that report that if we were as crowded as Holland we could fit 90 million in whereas now we only have less than 70 million. There is no way 20 million people have entered the country in the last year! ;D

In fact I think you will find that more have left than entered recently as all the Easter Europeans head home to their credit crunch free countries!

[glow=red,2,300]I'm sure I read somewhere that we are the most over crowded island in the world [/glow]

Im pretty sure its Japan?

Thanks for that alpinejoe, I knew thats what I heard On the radio, but as you may have read elsewhere On the forum, I have had to ask myself questions lately

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7618994.stm

Immigration levels have pushed population density in England to a higher level than any other major country in Europe.

The figures, released by the Office for National Statistics, indicate there is an average of 395 people in every square kilometre in England.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in-Europe.html

The number of people living in England has overtaken the population density of Holland, which has traditionally been the most densely-populated major nation on the continent.

The count, which has been attributed to higher levels of immigration, shows England now has 395 people per square kilometre.
Population density in England is already almost double the level in Germany and quadruple that in France.
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Not liking the messanger won't do anything to alter the message, but if anyone finds the same facts more believable when they are provided by the BBC or the Telegraph I've provided the relevant links.

The speed with which England is changing & the reasons for it are obvious & surely helps explain atheringtongulls initial surprise when he emerged onto the streets of London.

I try to stay "out of" threads that I personally feel inappropriate, but how the hell does this one drift into a discussion on "immigration"?

The reason I don't approve of immigration being discussed on here is because of the general trend of confusing free movement/entry via official visa for a predetermined period/acceptance of refugees and asylum seekers and bone fide citizens of other countries who ARE perfectly entitled to "be here"despite what the right wing and historically Fascist/"White Little Englander" Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail choose to highlight by way of promoting right wing politics. Despite that right, many ignorantly choose to regard them as having"no right" to be here.

Please....................don't tarnish this rather precious TORQUAY UNITED site with ill informed, and political leaning clap trap regarding "immigration".

My partner, although a French citizen through birth (AND a Congolese citizen through expediency required at the time merely to receive protection to stay alive) recently chose to exercise her right by dint of being domiciled in the UK for the required five years or more to become a British Citizen. Because our two children were not born to a married couple (and the mother was "Congolese at the time"), I had to apply (and pay for) to the home Secretary to"grant them British Citizenship at his pleasure" and they are now the proud owners of Certificates of British Citizenship in addition to their Birth Certificates and British Passports.

In an age where one can travel by train both cheaper and
quicker between London and Paris than London and Newton Abbot is it really necessary to get hot under the collar about "over crowding" and "immigration"?

Over crowding only occurs in areas of employment provision due to other areas not providing it. Despite it's size, London is NOT over crowded, if you want to see over crowding try visiting Bombay or the capital of some war torn third world state.
If all this sounds complicated kindly re-read it and dissect it and you'll possibly agree with me that so much of this is "bits of paper" but very important bits of paper.

My partner " is an immigrant" if you take at face value her original status as a French citizen, then a Congolese citizen (She was living there with a Rwandan father and a Portuguese mother) our children are NOT immigrants despite receiving (at the pleasure of the Home Secretary those certificates) they are British born to a British father and (a now) British mother. They didn't migrate here.

Because someone looks a little different to you and yours, do NOT assume they are an immigrant. Conversely, a person you may have "known" for many years and apparently very well, might well be an immigrant for all you know but is it any of your business?

I would say not, and would repeat that "it is only bits of paper" that deflect away from the all important matter that "people are people" and as such entitled to be treated with humanity and respect.