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Post by andyparsons on Jun 8, 2008 6:38:32 GMT
My thoughts go out to the poor family involved in this accident. For 2 lives to be lost at such a young age is terrible and I hope the police get to the cause pretty darn quick. They seemed to indicate on the news earlier that he could have been on his mobile phone at the time.....we wait to see. www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jun/07/plymouth.mccormick |
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Post by Dave on Jun 8, 2008 7:29:35 GMT
A very sad and tragic event, two young lives lost and a family who's lives have now been changed for ever. My thoughts are with the family and the hurt and the pain, that they must be going through.
I firmly believe that no one should ever judge any person, or lay blame on them, until the true facts are known.
We should also spare a thought for Luke McCormick, no matter if or what part he has played in this accident, his life has also changed forever.
Many years ago a close friend of mine, knocked down and killed a young girl near a school. He was in no way to blame, but for the first five years after, we was just a zombie, it lives in his mind every single day still and it was over 25 years ago.
There is a time to start blaming, now is not that time, our thoughts and prayers should be for every person, who is effected by this very sad event.
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Post by Dave on Jun 8, 2008 15:45:38 GMT
I see that Luke McCormick has now been charged on two counts of causing death by dangerous driving.
He has also been charged with one count of driving with excess alcohol and one count of driving with no insurance.
All so very sad indeed for all those concerned.
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Post by jerry on Oct 6, 2008 13:38:19 GMT
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Post by Dave on Oct 6, 2008 15:14:22 GMT
Jerry it may seem a light sentence, two children killed and lost forever, who's family will never get over the loss and may never find forgiveness for McCormick no matter how hard they try.
He was very stupid and has to pay a price for the lives he has taken, but sorry we do need to also spare a thought for him.He has made one big mistake that has also ruined his life for ever.No I'm not talking about playing football, but the real guilt that will never leave him.
There are some type Of people who could just carry on after doing their sentence, but I believe he Is a decent man, who made a very grave mistake, one that so many others have done, but got away with. I'm not asking that you pity the guy, but just pointing out his real sentence Is for life and not just seven years in jail.
He can never put right what he has done wrong, so many mistakes we all have made, we may have had the chance to do so, but In cases like these, there are no second chances.
My thoughts are with the children's family, who may also feel that seven years Is not enough, but I will spare a thought for a young man who's mistake has also ruined his whole life.
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Post by mickyflash on Oct 6, 2008 17:26:15 GMT
Normally, I would be inclined to agree with you Dave, but as more and more information comes out from the court case the less sympathy I can have for this guy.
Apparently, he left from the wedding he had been to at 4am and despite receiving calls begging him not to drive or go into a lay-bye to et some rest! continued to drive home. Eye witnesses from the incident also today gave evidence against Luke saying he was driving like a lunatic!
3 1/2 years is not enough for taking the lives of those two young boys and the pain he has caused their family
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Post by Dave on Oct 6, 2008 17:40:00 GMT
If that Is the case Micky, then I think he deserves his time In prison and It should have been for much longer. I 'm not trying to defend anything he has done, how could I after what you have said in your post.
My sorrow for him was only that he will never be able to forgive himself and I would not be surprised If he ended his life.I do not drink and anyway I drive for a living and would never drink and drive, but you will find some on here, who have driven home from a pub well over the limit.
They got lucky and had nothing happen to them. That Is why I say he made a very big mistake, he did not get away with It and took too young lives.
He nor anyone else can turn the clock back, If only that could happen, what a fool, but I'm not soft, but do feel the pain Of others and I think Its a big tragedy for everyone connected to this very sad story.
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 6, 2008 19:30:08 GMT
I would also question those who travelled as passengers. Easy to say in hindsight, but they should have taken the keys off him or called the Police if he insisted that he drive alone.
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Post by Dave on Oct 6, 2008 19:41:23 GMT
Yes they should have taken the keys and stopped him, one can only ask why they did not take that action. I really hope no one thinks I'm trying to defend the guy, because there Is no defense for what he has done, I just see another wasted life, one where he could have gone On to greater things.
So I feel anger as well, just like we all have with anyone we know who has acted In such a stupid way, so as to ruin everything they worked for and dreamed about.
The one thing I do believe Is that this man will be remorseful and will never forgive himself, some may say good he does not deserve any forgiveness, but we are all human and have all made bad choices and bad mistakes.
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Post by Dave on Oct 6, 2008 19:46:06 GMT
I would add, before Merse starts on me ;D that while I found It hard to feel sorry for Gazza, I do think this Is completely different. Gazza Is really only hurting himself and could If he really wanted, turn his life back around again.
Luke can never turn his around again and may just be eaten up with all the guilt he will carry around for as long as he lives.
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Post by merse on Oct 6, 2008 19:49:33 GMT
 I don't wish to comment on the "moral" issues of this case and in any case I don't agree with commenting on any sentence passed in a court of law because only the judge is party to ALL the relevant legal submissions, reports and therefore holds a more complete picture than even a juror would be party to; as it is the judge who decides just what is and is not admissible as evidence to put before the jury in any case. Sentencing is not just about exacting "revenge" for the aggrieved party, far from it. But what I wanted to say was that how many people realise that McCormick was en route between the wedding in Bolton of former Argyle club mate David Norris and a next day wedding appointment in Plymouth as Best Man to our own Steve Adams? I wonder what psychological effect this has all had on our player?
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Post by Dave on Oct 6, 2008 19:56:44 GMT
I would imagine quite a lot Merse and I do therefore wonder If that may be a part Of the reason, we has not really featured In any games. I'm sure his wedding day would have been very difficult and one that he will remember for too many wrong reasons. As he pleaded guilty I do not think there would have been a jury? If there was surly they would not have heard any evidence,maybe I'm wrong, having never been In court I only know what happens on the telly.  |
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Post by chelstongull on Oct 6, 2008 21:17:40 GMT
How long did Lee Hughes get when he ran away after killing someone he ran over - sure it was 4 years or there abouts?
Yes I was aware that he was going to Stevie Adams Wedding but its a good point about the effect he would have had on him and possibly the team.
My heart went out and still does to the parents of those two lovely boys, something they will never get over. As for McCormick he was on a wage where he could have paid a driver to take him back to Devon.
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Post by Dave on Oct 6, 2008 21:25:30 GMT
A very good point Phil and one that he will be asking himself, why he did not do that.
Our thoughts first and foremost can only be for the family Of those boys and I hope time will heal at least some Of their pains, so that they may at least enjoy some Of theirs lives In the future.
So many lives ruined and sadly no way to make anything better, for anyone concerned, lets hope those tempted to drink and drive, will digest the news today and realize just what can happen If they did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2008 21:51:47 GMT
Sorry but no  for Luke McCormick he knew he was drunk and still drove his car and should have been put away for life. those little boys gone forever and he still has his life.I lost a family member because someone drove when drunk so lock them all up and throw away the key.  |
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