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Post by rjdgull on Dec 2, 2010 10:33:39 GMT
As I write the England FIFA presentation is coming to a close. After a lot of bad press there seems to be a mood of optimism that we could do it!!! Locally, it could impact on our local teams if Plymouth's ground ends up hosting some of the matches. Decision is due at 3p.m.
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Post by loyalgull on Dec 2, 2010 11:41:04 GMT
i really hope we win it,and if we do it dawned on me that i will be 60 when it happens,god willing we make it
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 2, 2010 12:27:19 GMT
The whole thing is a circus and reflects badly on everyone involved.
Tbh, I think it's a damned liberty that the nation that gave football to the world should have to stoop to such levels. England should be given first refusal to host every other world cup finals as a gesture of gratitude and respect from a grateful world.
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Post by rjdgull on Dec 2, 2010 15:48:40 GMT
The whole thing is a circus and reflects badly on everyone involved. Tbh, I think it's a damned liberty that the nation that gave football to the world should have to stoop to such levels. England should be given first refusal to host every other world cup finals as a gesture of gratitude and respect from a grateful world. Looks like we were given first refusal.
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Post by wolfie on Dec 2, 2010 15:59:11 GMT
RUSSIA!!!!! ?
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 2, 2010 16:04:29 GMT
The whole thing is a circus and reflects badly on everyone involved. Tbh, I think it's a damned liberty that the nation that gave football to the world should have to stoop to such levels. England should be given first refusal to host every other world cup finals as a gesture of gratitude and respect from a grateful world. Looks like we were given first refusal. It's annoying to be snubbed, but the whole world cup thing has lost it's lustre for me. Like the bidding process and Blatter's ludicrous speech, the whole thing is far too drawn out and tedious. Fancy hosting a world cup in the middle of a bloody desert!
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Post by loyalgull on Dec 2, 2010 16:13:11 GMT
Looks like we were given first refusal. It's annoying to be snubbed, but the whole world cup thing has lost it's lustre for me. Like the bidding process and Blatter's ludicrous speech, the whole thing is far too drawn out and tedious. Fancy hosting a world cup in the middle of a bloody desert! 41 degrees on average the temperature in qatar in july,what a sensible decision i think n ::)ot
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Post by crooky on Dec 2, 2010 17:15:31 GMT
It gets even more ridiculous when, if my investigations are correct? , the country has a population of approx 900,000 and is roughly half the size of Wales!
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Post by rjdgull on Dec 2, 2010 17:20:58 GMT
Out of 22 delegates we apparently only received 2 votes! i.e a tenth in a field of four. The media undoubtedly screwed up any chance we may have had and maybe it was a forlorn cause no matter how good the bid was. Was the timing of the panorama programme justified in light of the damage it has caused?
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 2, 2010 17:36:00 GMT
Whether it had any impact or not, I for one am looking foward to some forensic and relentless investigative journalism into FIFA, the world cup bidding procress and the FIFA hierarchy ;D
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Post by the92ndfish on Dec 2, 2010 18:05:52 GMT
Out of 22 delegates we apparently only received 2 votes! i.e a tenth in a field of four. The media undoubtedly screwed up any chance we may have had and maybe it was a forlorn cause no matter how good the bid was. Was the timing of the panorama programme justified in light of the damage it has caused? One of those votes was by an Englishman aswell. Whoever was the only non English FIFA member to vote for England deserves a beer. What is patently obvious from the voting pattern is that contrary to what FIFA said, they were very annoyed by the expose of their corruption and they have punished England for it. What's more annoying is everyone knows FIFA are corrupt as sin but can't do anything about it because of how they control world football. Russia I can accept even though it has MASSIVE hurdles to overcome, what I can't accept is the bid that was by far and away technically the best getting only 2 votes, it just smacks of FIFA's corruption and self interest. I'm also beyond annoyed at the Sunday Times and BBC for putting us in this situation. Although I hope they run wild on FIFA in the coming months and try to drag out every story they can find. Qatar is just batshit insane. It smacks of corruption aswell. Previously FIFA had a rule whereby you couldn't have two stadiums in one city in a world cup bid. Only one exception was allowed and this was usually the capital city. Qatar's bid has all but one stadium in the Doha Metro area, the only stadium not in Doha is in a town of 5,000 people. More like a village. It's an utter sham of a bid and should have been disqualified before you go into it's logistics (it only has one airport), it's lack of hotels, how hosting in a Muslim country will nuke sponsorship deals, it's lack of things to do outside of football matches, the risk of terrorism and the extreme heat during the summer. The only thing I'm left wondering is how much the FIFA ExCom got from Qatar for voting in this crazy bid. It would have been infinitely better to have gone to the USA or Australia.
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Post by Dave on Dec 2, 2010 19:41:09 GMT
All I have been hearing on the radio this week, was how strong our bid was and how we were seem as the favourites. So how come we ended up getting only two votes out of a possible 22 in total?
I’m sure some will now lay some of the blame on the BBC for airing that programme when they did, but was that really the reason, or are there more. On the J Vine show today many callers felt the trouble at the Birmingham game last night would play a major factor in the voting. It sure would not have helped and while there is not so much trouble in English football these days, it’s never that far away is it.
The question is would a world cup held in Britain be trouble free? You would like to think so, but my gut feeling is that would not be the case and it could end up being the worst world cup for violence in the history of the cup.
But is there something else going on as well? I don’t know or really understand how our country is viewed these days by all the others, but if the Eurovision Song Competition is anything to go by, I would take a guess and say we may not be as much liked as we would want to be.
There once was a time we often won that song competition, now we thank our lucky stars if we don’t end up bottom getting no points at all. Is that an indication of what other countries think of Great Britain? If so could that have had anything to do with the decision made today?
Only asking as like I said I have no idea myself, but our bid really was a good one and so was our presentation and to me something seems very wrong with the decision.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Dec 2, 2010 20:24:23 GMT
That would be Issa Hayatou - although given the size of the bribes he had received (according to Panorama) I would expect him to buy you one! I had heard that the Japanese delegate voted for us - a personal friend of Sir Bobby Charlton but it seems that this was incorrect.
It was pretty disasterous, but ultimately no surprise. I would say that it was shabby of Panorama to air their programme last week and the gutter press to entrap "lord" triesman (although he is an idiot and better-off away from UK English football). People like Jack Warner and Blatter are just two of the disgusting characters controlling global football - the corruption is just unbelievable and barely even disguised. All the so called promised support from the 22 voters involved today resulted in one piss-poor vote (other than the chairman of our own bid).
It's very much endemic wherever there is football - the corporate strangulation of English football from the top down is killing the game anyway. It's become far more sterile - I certainly don't have much interest in the top flight or the England national team - so many of the players can't engage their brains and keep their trousers on or out of trouble.
I don't feel that we should have been automatic choices, but it's incredible that we got shot-down in the manner we did. It's laughable that the founders of football will not have had a world cup event in over 50 years and no sign of one for the foreseeable future. Qatar was judged to be the poorest technical bit, Russia was described as a risk. Whilst I appreciate that backhanders and oil-wealth of the winning bidders will appeal to the FIFA executives it beggars belief. How much does English football give to international football? I think that it's time to stop giving any finance (which is the only thing that they understand) and support to such an organisation as part of a massive overhaul of the administration of English football. Stop playing England matches on neutral venues abroad and stop pandering to the authority of tinpot nations around the world - let them wallow in their own s**t. Do something that actually helps grassroots football and communities in these countries rather than kowtow to these greasy buggers. Who would I choose to help drive English football forward? Step forward Niall Quinn - a man of integrity and vision who knows the game, supporters and club administration. I've heard many intereviews with him and have been hugely impressed with his efforts in the North East and Sunderland for both the world cup bid and the people of the area.
I feel for the local businesses and workers who would have worked hard in the region (and around the whole country) - couldn't give a toss if it is damaging to the scum though. It would have been prestigous for the region and I think would have been a real benefit in bringing infrastructure up a peg or two. I think that our club might have seen some good come to it as well.
I hope that football changes because of this failure - but for the benefit of footballers from the grassroots up and also supporters. I somehow think that little will change and we'll be raking over the embers of future failures.
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Post by lambethgull on Dec 2, 2010 20:41:19 GMT
But is there something else going on as well? I don’t know or really understand how our country is viewed these days by all the others, but if the Eurovision Song Competition is anything to go by, I would take a guess and say we may not be as much liked as we would want to be. There once was a time we often won that song competition, now we thank our lucky stars if we don’t end up bottom getting no points at all. Is that an indication of what other countries think of Great Britain? If so could that have had anything to do with the decision made today? Only asking as like I said I have no idea myself, but our bid really was a good one and so was our presentation and to me something seems very wrong with the decision. I don't think a country with our musical heritage and international acclaim has to worry about coming last in the Eurovision Song Contest. We probably are disliked. Many Europeans perceive us as arrogant. Our stance on the EU (with our opt-outs and rebates etc) is considered irritating (at best), the enormous financial clout of our Premiership is resented and memories of the outrageous behaviour of some of our travelling fans in the past still rankle as well. Add in our media with its history of tasteless headlines whenever we play Germany and uncomfortable allegations, and it's not hard to see why some would think about voting for someone else. Remember also that England didn't even elect to compete in the first three World Cups, seemingly branding its participation in such a competition as beneath its dignity! Nevertheless, the bidding process has been a total farce, and the idiotic and hypocritical carping about "the British media" from FIFA delegates is a disgrace. It's been reported that certain FIFA delegates opted not to vote for England’s bid because they "couldn't face the prospect of seven years" at the hands of the British press. I've a feeling they will discover that the opposite scenario proves far more uncomfortable
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Post by loyalgull on Dec 2, 2010 21:53:34 GMT
i shouldnt think any of us are that surprised at the outcome.Many reasons could account for us basically being given two fingers from fifa.The bribery scandall didnt help,the timing of the bbc programme certainly put us in the naughty book and our continued allegiance to the usa in afghanistan is deeply despised world wide.We aint liked is the bottom line.And fifa itself is out dated and out of touch.A couple of things today,putin wasnt present at the result but turned up later for the party speech very strange.I was also picking the kids up so listened for the result on radio devon in my car,the guy reporting from zurich said they were running a big screen showing all great previous world cup goals and that maradonnas hand of god goal kept popping up,now if that isnt extracting the urine i dont know what is
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