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Post by Dave on Oct 2, 2008 18:57:04 GMT
Some time ago I ran a poll on the forum, the question was, would the gates be higher this season. 45% felt they would be lower and blamed a shortage Of money as the reason.
The club has spoken out this week about the low gates and the effects It will have on many football clubs, some will go to the wall. others will survive, but strings will need to be tightened.While the club gives out positive messages about the clubs finances, It really can't continue on such low gates and one would think, If things did not improve, even our board would have to reassess things.
I do feel that there Is so much doom and gloom where ever you go, Is It affecting you? are you not so happy as you were a few months ago? do you have concerns about your job, or how you are going to make ends meet.
I know In my job, I'm only bringing In half the work I was three months ago, people only need power tools mending If they break them and to do that they need to use them. That Is the problem, Its the builders and tradesmen who use the tools and many are not doing very much work.
I asked the question are you happy as I do feel a lack on any enthusiasm about the club at this time, no one seems to want to post about the team selection, or anything that Is going on. So maybe It is the case that we all just feel a little down and feel we don't have much too say.
We can't change what Is going on around us in the world at this time, but It Is up to us to rise above It all, don't let It drag us down with It, I smile and make people laugh everyday and It takes effort, with all I have to deal with.
The forum Is free and only requires time to share your views, I would hope that no matter what else Is going on, this can be a place Of fun and enjoyment.keep positive about Our lives and we will be able to keep positive about our club and get the buzz back, that I feel Is missing in so many at this time.
Without the fans, football clubs will die, without you sharing you views forums will slowly die, lets put on our happy faces, we are all still alive, not starving just yet and we have a club that needs our support and lets get talking about It.
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Post by forevertufc on Oct 2, 2008 19:58:52 GMT
credit crunch those bankers have a lot to answer for ;D , i think people are short of money and those with out season tickets wont spend their money on going to the match's when results and performance's are poor,torquay started the season with a seeming insistance to play midfielders as defenders results and performance's were dire and fans drifted away , in recent weeks tactics have changed the team has a more balanced look about it and results have improved ,i know from myself and the gulls fans i know their's a more upbeat feeling starting to fall around the place ,i feel the gate for saturdays match will be back to plus 2000 ,lets hope the team put on a good show ,a win in this game will put right back in the mix and the floating fans will come back ,you are right about the low level of support it will affect this and many other clubs ,clubs like ourselves do not have world wide commercial arms we rely on fans paying at the gate and staying away in protest will only damage ourselves when torquay are in the western league ,for me personaly i did fall into the negative trap i like most were far from happy with the way the team was being managed i.e players out of position when their was no need ,but i am a season ticket holder hope to be for many season's credit crunch allowing ,and will come along no matter what to support torquay so onwards and upwards come on the gulls .
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Post by Louise_M on Oct 2, 2008 20:01:45 GMT
Speaking of the crunch, Salisbury City have recently pledged to the fans and local businesses they NEED to raise £100k in the next two weeks (from the Saturday just gone). They have not really given a reason why but it was annouced by the Chairman before their game against Mansfield. Players are donating their win bonuses and doing a lot of after hours work to help raise the funds. They have currently raised on £15k...maybe this might be a good thing for us as they have had a surprisingly good run so far this season.
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Post by Dave on Oct 2, 2008 20:57:55 GMT
forevertufc, I think so many are feeling negative and I'm talking about the everyday person and not just football fans. We have all been talked into a recession type mood and It is spreading. If only people just did everything as they did before, then this slide downward would slow down and then stop.
I agree the gates should be over 2000 and like you say we need a good performance, so often we have not produced when we have got some Of the floating fans back. The result Is they stop coming again and then results and league position, would then really need to improve, to tempt them again.
I know I have said It before, but the entertainment value needs to be as high as possible, just winning a boring one nil, will not do anything to get the fans to want to go to the next match. People are looking at their money and even more than ever before, will need to feel, spending It watching a game, was money well spent.
So come on boys, now we need you to give everything out on the pitch, play the football and win those tackles, work hard and the fans will be happy and maybe for just a couple Of hours, we can forget all that Is going on around us.
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Post by tufc01 on Oct 2, 2008 21:53:48 GMT
Speaking of the crunch, Salisbury City have recently pledged to the fans and local businesses they NEED to raise £100k in the next two weeks (from the Saturday just gone). They have not really given a reason why but it was annouced by the Chairman before their game against Mansfield. Players are donating their win bonuses and doing a lot of after hours work to help raise the funds. They have currently raised on £15k...[glow=yellow,2,300]maybe this might be a good thing for us as they have had a surprisingly good run so far this season[/glow]. I would much rather we did it ourselves. It wouldn't be the same if we were to win the league 'by default'. The same applies if Mansfield are docked points, for what appears to be a very minor discrepancy. That said i didn't think Salisbury were that good, so would be extremely disappointed if we did not finish above them in the league anyway.
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Post by Dave on Oct 2, 2008 22:02:22 GMT
tufc01, as someone, who normally believes that the only good victory Is one you earned, I do feel I could move a little from my normal stance on this. Only because I do not think staying in the BSP for too long will do TUFC any good.
Gates are down because Of money and a poor start, but also playing Its part Is having to pay what Is a lot to some to watch this level Of football.
So I don't care at this time If every BSP club failed and as a result we return to league football, there we can play and earn our results again, but we need to get back there by any means even If that means by hook or by crook.
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Post by merse on Oct 3, 2008 18:28:12 GMT
For once this season, I don't think the size of Saturday's gate will reflect just on the football factor. Dave says we "we should not let ourselves be talked into a recession" yet then goes on to illustrate how he alone is bringing in only half the money for his employers that he was three months ago. Recession IS here and we better believe it, we ALL have to batten down the hatches and rationalise our spending and mind sets. I find myself doing a significant amount less per week and spending a not insignificant amount more on fuel for the main tool of my trade................my car. Hence, my nett income is now noticeably down at the end of the week when compared with this time last year. Food and fuel for the home has risen astronomically, and only a fool would be unaware that things are tough. All I can do in my trade is sit out there for longer so that yesterday I worked an eleven hour day , came home knackered and went to bed within four hours of getting in without really spending much time with the kids apart from hearing Anthony read and explaining to Olivia that having three pictures of the scan of the new baby doesn't mean mummy's having triplets as she's proudly told her teacher! Only a year ago I was going either racing or football EVERY weekend.................racing's out of the question now as it means I need to be able to have at least a hundred quid of "disposable" each time and I just haven't got that. I would love to be at Plainmoor tomorrow, but it just isn't on financially and the last thing I want or need is a near five hundred mile round trip on my day off! Car sharing used to be a cinch up here with other CGs, now hardly anyone is going so things get more expensively individually anyway. At a time when diesel/petrol is at an all time high, the chances of spreading the cost is at an all time low. Things were like this when I began working in football over thirty years ago, and we had the three day week, the inability to use floodlights - early kick offs and the advent of Sunday soccer. Directors felt they couldn't pump anymore money into the club and that they had to look after their own businesses to a greater degree. I know those times are here again, so it's NOT a matter of merely talking ourselves into it Dave, we are already IN it! Stevenage won't bring more than a lady thingy full ..........they never do travel in numbers because the culture of this overspill town is always that of being an "Arsenal or Spurs" town first and a Stevenage watcher's place second. Stevenage's history and establishment is relatively short and the travelling culture "non league" is hardly ever prevalent in all but a very few clubs and most of those are the recent Football League members. So I would estimate that given good weather, a gate of 2,200 would be all that is reasonable to expect......................and there is another home game (Oxford) on Thursday, meaning TWO home games in one pay week for many!
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Post by Dave on Oct 3, 2008 18:50:32 GMT
Merse my point about talking ourselves into a recession Is this. I firmly believe If we all just went about our lives as we always have, then we will slow down and even stop what Is going on. Far too much talk On the TV and radio and this is only making people more scared to spend anything.
Yes we know borrowing money Is going to be harder, but lets say you were going to have a new roof, so now due to all the talk, you decide to wait. So the roofer now does not get any earnings, so he can't spend his money, on the new TV, so the salesman earns less and he can't go out now at the weekend.
The pub then sells less beer, lays of one Of Its staff and so it goes on and On. Thats why I believe we all just need to carry on as normal, we will only add to It If we do not.
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Post by merse on Oct 3, 2008 19:00:14 GMT
I appreciate where you're coming from Dave, but I'm not choosing not to spend money...................I don't ruddy have enough any more due to inflation in the cost of essentials eating away at the "disposable" I used to have. I don't have a choice!
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Post by paulr on Oct 3, 2008 19:54:16 GMT
Would it not be a good idea then to reintroduce more ‘Kids for a quid’ home games? Once you start going to matches it becomes a habit or routine and some times it’s even enjoyable! If the weather forecast is correct for tomorrow then expect a gate below 2000.
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Post by andygulls on Oct 3, 2008 20:11:39 GMT
As ever some intelligent posts on this thread. Confidence, whether it is in the economics of the time or in the minds of a bunch of professional footballers is a vital part of achieving success. This forum suffers not from a lack of confidence in its set up but from the circumstances that we find ourselves in. The reality of the position for individuals as described by Merse will influence how we feel, think and act. This includes how we feel about posting on this board and whether we have the mental (or physical), energy to do so. I have spent the best part of the last 3 weeks wrestling with how to make savings of about half a million from budgets that I am responsible for. Such work that is being repeated by many, to one degree or another, is a drain on mental stamina and because, like Merse, it necessitates working longer hours, restricts my ability to post on this fine forum. Now, Dave makes a valid point about talking ourselves into making the position worse. We do that often enough on forums when the confidence evaporates with a poor run of form (except Merse that is of course ;D). There is a need for a degree of positivity to turn things around. That brings me onto a related point. Our chairman has been quoted in the press recently about the financial issues that need to be faced. So in possession of this information and given that we have 2 home games coming up in 6 days, one of which is on the TV, what activity have we seen to spark any kind of interest in the club over the last few days. Take a look at the official website. You did? Not much content to stimulate or excite is there. Why not engineer something that might spark interest in fans and make them more likely to attend on Saturday. Perhaps an article/ interview by Nicky Wroe on the adjustments he has found it necessary to make since arriving from York? (Building on the Wayne Carlisle summarising comment). Maybe an article by Carlisle himself about the similarities between our position this year compared to his experience at Excretia last season. Anything in fact, that may just spark us as fans to comment on this forum and actually increase our drive to go to Plainmoor. A young lad, who works at my place, plays locally himself. He might not have a game tomorrow but has made a decision to only take in one of the next two fixtures. There is a balance of finance and the amount it costs to “make a day out of it”. But there is no spark provided by the club. His view “not much going on this week, think I’ll just go on Thursday” represents how the club did not capture his imagination sufficiently to entice him to Plainmoor twice. In the testing economic climate of today the club has to work harder in selling itself as an attractive option and not just spout forth on the testing nature of the economics. The club Dave needs to provide a spark and that in turn will spark this board as well.
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Post by Dave on Oct 3, 2008 20:22:36 GMT
Great post and so very true Andy, I must confess I do have to push myself to post some days, but feel I have to as I believe I need to keep interest In the forum.
So glad to know Its not any fault of the forum, you can understand why I question myself about am I getting it correct on here and offering what members want and need.
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Post by tufc01 on Oct 3, 2008 20:55:11 GMT
Would it not be a good idea then to reintroduce more ‘Kids for a quid’ home games? Once you start going to matches it becomes a [glow=yellow,2,300]habit[/glow] or routine and some times it’s even enjoyable! If the weather forecast is correct for tomorrow then expect a gate below 2000. Do you think there should be warnings plastered all over the ground along the lines of; "Watching Torquay United can seriously damage your health"
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Post by Dave on Oct 3, 2008 21:24:26 GMT
Andy I'm so glad I do not have you job and the big responsibility's that go with It, my job Is really stress free as long as you can cope with being on the road and doing 1400 mile a week.
I really would like to expand your views On what the club Is doing to make us all want to run to Plainmoor on match days. I have had a few talks with Sean over these matters, he seems to think people like me are only a few, but I think most fans feel the club keeps them at a distance and maybe not on purpose, but makes It feels like its them and us.
I do know there has been many things going on that has taken up so much Of their time and could be some of the reason they have not payed much attention to the fans. That said It is not enough to simply put in the paper when the next match Is, or put some update on a website. The club needs to hard sell the matches to all fans and needs to get fans feeling again that they are a big part Of the club and more importantly, Its their club, belongs to them.
I did say that a good place to start would be with Boots, start having proper theme nights all to do with the club and team, even have meet the players nights, TUFC quiz nights and reruns Of the best TUFC games that are on video.There are so many things that can be done to draw the board and the supporters closer, It really does need to happen, If the club wants to not only hold On to the paying fans left, but wants to regain the lost ones.
I know what I needed to do, when faced with a new audience to entertain, I had a simply choice, make them and myself seem as we were one together, go out and get them being a part Of my act, involve them and yes entertain them. If I had just sat behind my keyboards and just played, they would soon lose interest and I would one by one lose those I needed to have a reason to even be there.
I know Buster on here feels strongly that the club seems not to listen, he even started a thread called You asked for it Sean, as It seemed Sean would put any Ideas on here to the club, sadly that did not go very far.So Andy mate you are so correct, come on TUFC , give the fans a real spark, Its time to get the fires re-lit, If nothing Is done, the flickering candles will soon blow out and may never get re-lit again.
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Post by Dave on Oct 4, 2008 7:05:38 GMT
Would it not be a good idea then to reintroduce more ‘Kids for a quid’ home games? Once you start going to matches it becomes a habit or routine and some times it’s even enjoyable! If the weather forecast is correct for tomorrow then expect a gate below 2000. Paul, If It was any other time, I would say that doing kids for a quid would be a worth while move, the kids Of today can be the supporters Of tomorrow and all clubs need to look at getting as many kids interested In the club as possible. The problem now Is with gates falling and as a result the income needed also dropping, I can't see the club taking the risk Of losing even more money, by letting In all the kids for a quid. I do think that the club should be pushing a family ticket, because a family may all stay away from a match, as the cost may just be to high If they all went. To have a two+ two ticket, where maybe the second child goes free, or even a two+ one, for those with only one child, would be a really good move. It Is better to have say £30 in the till by letting the one child go free, then not getting anything at all, the family may just feel they can afford to go and everyone including the club end up winners.
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