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Post by merse on Oct 4, 2008 10:03:19 GMT
Our chairman has been quoted in the press recently about the financial issues that need to be faced. So in possession of this information and given that we have 2 home games coming up in 6 days, one of which is on the TV, what activity have we seen to spark any kind of interest in the club over the last few days. Take a look at the official website. You did? Not much content to stimulate or excite is there. There is a balance of finance and the amount it costs to “make a day out of it”. But there is no spark provided by the club. His view “not much going on this week, think I’ll just go on Thursday” represents how the club did not capture his imagination sufficiently to entice him to Plainmoor twice. In the testing economic climate of today the club has to work harder in selling itself as an attractive option Very constructive questioning and answering Andygulls and something I would like to offer my views on................. Yes, the official site is still in need of some "umpph"; yet maybe those of us who are active on the internet get a false impression of the actual percentage of the fan base who are like minded. I just happen to think that it may be a whole lot smaller than many of us realise. However, that's no excuse for lack of impact; and to be fair to the club - slowly but surely the site is improving. There is a huge issue to be addressed between the chief executives of ALL clubs and the management of the BSP over fixtures and their scheduling and in these financially challenging times the eradication of playing TWO home games in ONE pay week is of optimum priority. Better to play Tuesday/Saturday than Saturday/Tuesday or Thursday as it happens for us this week. Yes, I know not so many now are paid weekly rather than monthly; but that's not the point................it is how potential attendees perceive matters that is important. I think free entrance for kids for the second game or the midweek game would be a positive initiative as long as the free entry is accompanied by a paying one.............. and yes I know all the old dodges outside the gate along the lines of "take me in mister".I also think the resurrection of the old Junior Gulls should be a priority now. We set that up when I was at Plainmoor thirty years ago in very similar financially trying times and there are some very committed season ticket holders, sponsors and advertisers to this day who's support and love of the Gulls emanated from that initiative. An initiative that was dependent on the commitment, energy, time and dedication of two rather elderly gentlemen ( Jack Tarr -a former police chief, and club director Leslie Leppington) and the sincerity and professionalism of club captain Albert Larmour as well as the active involvement of the players and management who actually rather enjoyed taking part (all kids are wannabee players and all players are kids at heart) perhaps the TUST could be active in taking this up as their next project once the disabled facilities are up and running satisfactorily. A Torquay United Road Show travelling around the schools and Youth Clubs as an extension of the Football in The Community set up would be a huge boost and initiatives whereby kids were given batches of free tickets for them AND their parents to come and try the Plainmoor experience (well there are acres of empty seats available to use) you try saying "no" to a kid who has been given free tickets to go and try something.,and out of many freebies will come a certain number of new fans. The club have been very pro-active and very positive with their approach to the comfort and a more rounded match day experience for those who already come through the laudable improvements and refurbishment of the facilities within Plainmoor, now it is time to address those who DON'T come............. It IS time for thinking and it IS time for action!
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Post by tufc01 on Oct 4, 2008 10:49:59 GMT
Would it not be a good idea then to reintroduce more ‘Kids for a quid’ home games?[glow=yellow,2,300] Once you start going to matches it becomes a habit or routine[/glow] and some times it’s even enjoyable! If the weather forecast is correct for tomorrow then expect a gate below 2000. That is the key to it, getting them there once and hope the become hooked. I can testify to that. I took my eldest daughter (16 at the time) to a game just over 2 years ago so that she could write an article for her journalism course. Until then it she had no interest in football whatsoever, in fact getting her to the game was hard enough, a cold wet January, after the team had just lost 6 on the bounce, were bottom of the league and looked destined for relegation. However, after that game she has only missed 2 home games and been to over 20 away games. This weekend she has traveled down from uni to watch todays game and we are off to Rushden next week. There is no better feeling than going to watch a game with your own kin. As the advert goes; Season ticket £300 or Ticket for the game £10/£17, Traveling costs £10 (Away games £80), food & drink £10, the enjoyment of spending the game with those whose company you enjoy best, PRICELESS. This afternoon i am taking my other daughter, who has an even bigger dislike of football. She also has a MASSIVE chip on her shoulder about the wages footballers earn. She believes that no footballer should ever earn more than a Nurse. Hopefully today she Will realise that not all footballers earn as much as John Terry, some probably earn less than some nurses. What are the chances that after todays game there are 3 Torquay United 'addicts' in our house. What i say to Torquay United is do whatever it takes to get them in the gates and the rest we can all agree with is years and years of 'enjoyment', whether it is good or bad, we still go.
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Post by capitalgull on Oct 4, 2008 12:01:45 GMT
Merse, you are absoluely spot on regards the resurrection of the Junior Gulls. Although I had already been going to games for a couple of seasons before that started, it was a great way of getting to know people at the club, learning about football and most importantly making new friends, some of which I still count in my circle of friends 25 years down the line.
I know Abbey National had a lot to do with the setting up of things, and got some long-term customers out of it probably, and I imagine it would need something similar to get it kicked off again, but it has to be worth looking into - getting 9-14 year olds back to Plainmoor now would pay dividends in the medium to long term and you never know you might just pick up the odd future professional player out of it.
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Post by bbcgull on Oct 4, 2008 12:25:59 GMT
I have great memories of Steve Phillips running the Junior Gulls while he was he. We were at a Sunday get together at Plainmoor for the JG's and him tellin us all he been sold i think and he was quite sad about it...
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Post by andygulls on Oct 4, 2008 20:32:16 GMT
Andy I'm so glad I do not have you job and the big responsibility's that go with It, my job Is really stress free as long as you can cope with being on the road and doing 1400 mile a week. Dave I do not have big responsibilities, they rest with Surgeons, Doctors, Nurses, like those who tend to Carol and those who will deliver the next little Merse into the world. Those people who work with and care for people with severe mental and physical illness. Members of our armed forces etc.etc. I can analyse figures and deal in a bit of common sense. The budget might be large and I'd be in the sh1t if I mess up ...yeah there can be some impacts ..but nothing like the impacts of those people who do really responsible jobs. I would not want to be driving like you Dave. Took me 6 and a half hours to get to Southampton and back (from Whimple) the other day..drove me mad. For work I do somewhere between 6k and 10k a year and a few rail journeys and flights, would never get near your annual mileage and cannot imagine how I would cope having to do that.
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Post by andygulls on Oct 4, 2008 20:34:39 GMT
Would it not be a good idea then to reintroduce more ‘Kids for a quid’ home games?[glow=yellow,2,300] Once you start going to matches it becomes a habit or routine[/glow] and some times it’s even enjoyable! If the weather forecast is correct for tomorrow then expect a gate below 2000. This afternoon i am taking my other daughter, who has an even bigger dislike of football. She also has a MASSIVE chip on her shoulder about the wages footballers earn. She believes that no footballer should ever earn more than a Nurse. Hopefully today she Will realise that not all footballers earn as much as John Terry, some probably earn less than some nurses. What are the chances that after todays game there are 3 Torquay United 'addicts' in our house. What i say to Torquay United is do whatever it takes to get them in the gates and the rest we can all agree with is years and years of 'enjoyment', whether it is good or bad, we still go. Did she enjoy it? Is she hooked?
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Post by Dave on Oct 4, 2008 20:41:54 GMT
Andy I do love driving and the freedom my job gives me. I only see the others at Toolfix for 10 Min's at the end Of my day, I start when they are still in bed and they have no input into my working day. So I just do my own thing all day, so yes I do love my work.
Because I no longer entertain, I'm still a comedian every day with all my customers, I just love making people laugh and to make them happy.I thank all those people who form a part Of the NHS, each and everyone has a part to play and I can't fault In any way the treatment and care that Carol receives.
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Post by tufc01 on Oct 4, 2008 21:04:34 GMT
This afternoon i am taking my other daughter, who has an even bigger dislike of football. She also has a MASSIVE chip on her shoulder about the wages footballers earn. She believes that no footballer should ever earn more than a Nurse. Hopefully today she Will realise that not all footballers earn as much as John Terry, some probably earn less than some nurses. What are the chances that after todays game there are 3 Torquay United 'addicts' in our house. What i say to Torquay United is do whatever it takes to get them in the gates and the rest we can all agree with is years and years of 'enjoyment', whether it is good or bad, we still go. Did she enjoy it? Is she hooked? I think she is. She did keep saying "This is well good", joined in with the clapping and some singing and now she is planning to go to Thursdays game. Mind you she does think it is like that at every game, so it might come as a shock when she watches her first boring 0-0, or even a loss.
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Post by Dave on Oct 4, 2008 21:07:33 GMT
You should be a proud Dad, your girls are a credit to you and getting them converted to TUFC fans as well, has to put you up for the Dad Of the year award. ;D
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Post by tufc01 on Oct 4, 2008 22:03:48 GMT
You should be a proud Dad, your girls are a credit to you and getting them converted to TUFC fans as well, has to put you up for the Dad Of the year award. ;D I am a very proud Dad. What a great day, as i said before the game PRICELESS.
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Post by chrish on Oct 5, 2008 11:36:10 GMT
I heard a couple of very interesting things yesterday. One on the radio and one whilst having a jimmy riddle in a Belgian pub near Drury Lane.
First of all I heard an interview on BBC Radio 5 with West Brom Chairman Jeremy Peace, which for those who heard it would've done his reputation as an astute and reasonable chairman no harm at all. He said that although the club's wage bill had gone up by 50% since West Brom were last in the Premier League, they've actually manage to cut season ticket costs by 31% since their relegation. 20% down for the first season back in the championship and with a further 11% reduction on that figure on the price of a season ticket for this season despite the added draw of having Premier league football and investing quite heavily in the transfer market. Peace said that season ticket revenue was very important for teams in the Championship but became less so in the Premiership with all the added prize money. In effect the extra revenue is actually subsidising this season's season ticket. Pace thought that its important to reward the loyalty of the fans. Quite refeshing in this day and age. The benefits are that local fans can still afford to go and watch their local club and not get ripped off. Yesterday's sell out game against Fulham (hard to see Blackburn and Bolton managing that) was classed as a category B game and tickets were £25 quid for adults, which is only £7 more than Brentford, 3 divisions lower. Which I think is pretty good value.
The contrasting perspective on this is the brief chat I had with a QPR fan in the pub last night. He's considering stopping going to Loftus Rd because of the prices they're charging and is actually toying with the idea of going to watch Brentford because at 18 quid its better value.
Their next home game against bottom of the table Nottingham Forest is classed as a category C (the cheapest) match the prices are catagorised into Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze. Prices start at £35, £30, £25, and £20. There are limited deals for under 8 kids getting in free and a reduced rate for young adults (16-21). There is also a Loyality points scheme in place in where you get points for away travel or being an existing season ticket holder and such like. The away travel points are awarded on how far the away match is away from West London and what day the match is. For example, Watford away on a saturday is 1 point, but Donny away on a Tuesday night is the maximum 10 points. Do these points get you a reduction? Nope, they just allow you to get your hands on hard to come by tickets for the "big fixtures".
I know that the demographics and the socio economic grouping is different in West London than it is in Dudley, Smethwick and to a lesser extent Wolverhampton (West Brom fans do live there as well) but West Brom fans are getting a much better deal. West Brom's target market seem to be its local fanbase who've been turning up at the Hawthorns for years. QPR's seems to be all about attracting anybody who can afford to get it. Last season I went to see a game at Loftus Road for £15. That was for Australia V Denmark though. It was £28 or £29 quid to get in the same end for a QPR game.
For anybody who's seen footage of WBA's home games on match of the day would have heard a vocal and knowledgable crowd who don't display any hysteria when an opposition player dares to tackle one of their players. Unfortunately at clubs where they've priced traditional fans out of watching home games you get a bunch of ignorant rich idiots being hysterical because they don't understand the game. I always turn off 606 on Radio 5 when one of these idiots comes on to try and prove that he does have indeed have some knowledge. Watch the next Liverpool game on Setanta or ITV and listen to the reaction of the first semi tackle and you'll know what I mean.
At Torquay. I would like to see some sort of deal brought in when there are 2 home games within a period of 7 days. It would be a good idea, I think, to give a money off vouchers when paying the 15 quid to get in the pop side. A five quid off voucher for the next home game would tempt some fans who might not be able to afford two games in a week back through the turnstiles. You could also issue cut price deals. Two home games for £20-£23. Surely getting that amount in would be better for the could than just getting that person paying 15 quid for one match and not coming to the next one.
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Post by Dave on Oct 5, 2008 12:36:38 GMT
First class post Chris and It seems frightening when you learn about the prises at other higher clubs. I think you voucher idea Is very sound and one that the club really should be looking to do. Not being that good at figures, I do not know how many more would need to come to the second game to make up for those who would have been going anyway, but would now be paying less.
Sure we will have some maths genius on here, who could come up with some figures.
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Post by chrish on Oct 5, 2008 13:25:20 GMT
The point is that WBA have had the opportunity to cash in further with the club being in the Premier League but they haven't chosen to go down that road. Surely its just as important to encourage more and more fans back, or sadly in this current recession, keep the existing fans coming back. Its small touches when they are really needed that make the difference, it shouldn't be about maximising income when people are in Plainmoor, it should be about building up strong links with loyal fans and treating them with respect as they do in other countries such as Germany. My team over there (Borussia Moenchengladbach) have kept prices low again despite being promoted back into the Bundesliga 1 again. Its 24 Euros (up 2 euros in 3 years!) to sit above the main terraced area which is pay on the day and costs 12 euros.
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Post by Dave on Oct 5, 2008 13:36:37 GMT
I fully agree Chris, but did Bateson not say that on our level Of gates doing Offers lost the club money I will be honest and say I think prices are beyond the reach Of many here In Torbay, due to the low incomes, while the club needs as much as possible to be able to offer the best wages, to attract the better players. While I really believe your voucher idea Is one that really should be looked into, I really can't see the club trying It unless they know they will gain from It. The budgets for this season were worked out on getting more that just 2000 in the ground, so they won't want to do anything that might reduce the income even further.
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Post by chrish on Oct 5, 2008 13:54:51 GMT
Bateson also said that we didn't deserve to have a league football club.
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