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Post by rolf on Sept 26, 2008 12:36:50 GMT
In Holland we hear the strangest things about Paul Gascoigne, that he wanted to get in a closed pub early in the morning  What's true of all these rumors about my hero is this true ? |
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Post by midlandstufc on Sept 26, 2008 13:58:46 GMT
It's true old pal.
Gazzer has well and truely 'lost it'!
Latest is him banging a door to get into a pub at 10.30 in the morning (I think).
I'll check the BBC and confirm.
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Post by midlandstufc on Sept 26, 2008 14:06:25 GMT
More info below, but it's worse than that as apparently he's disowned his family and has taken the company of drug-dealers.
"by **** ******* 20/09/2008
ARREST
Troubled Paul Gascoigne accepted a police caution after being arrested following a drunken brawl, it emerged yesterday.
Gazza, 41, was taken into custody by cops called to a bar at 10am on Thursday.
He had been pictured banging on the door desperate for a drink at 9.50am the day before.
The fallen star then went on all-day bender which ended in an ugly confrontation with autograph hunter ...
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Post by Dave on Sept 26, 2008 16:45:47 GMT
Rolf mate he was many peoples hero once, but those days are long gone. In my view he Is nothing more than a disgrace to football and now best forgotten. There was a time once we all felt sorry for him, when he got a second yellow card I think, that meant he could not play in a final. The photo's with the tears running down his face were sad, but that was then.
There Is no good reason, why he Is nothing more than a drunk, this a man who had It all, he could and should have been giving so much more back to football.
Its like the great Alex Higgins, once my hero, I watched the guy play Steve Davis In Torquay, shortly after Davis won his very first world title, then he too went off the rails. Its a complete lose Of any self respect and I for one could never feel sorry, for those who had It all and ended up this way.
Most Of us have to struggle In this world, yet we keep ourselves decent people, so why can't the likes Of Higgins and Gaza.
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Post by rolf on Sept 26, 2008 18:07:57 GMT
I totally agree with you Dave,
But it's just sad to see him do it to himself
But he's the only one who can change it for himself
still, so sad
but why is George Best still a hero ?
didn't he had the same problem ?
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Post by merse on Sept 26, 2008 18:37:36 GMT
 I think it should be acknowledged that Paul Gasgoigne suffers from mental illness and therefore should NOT be held as a figure to scorn nor one to ridicule. By the time he was 14 he had witnessed the deaths of two of his best friends - one of them lost control of a bike he was riding down a steep hill in a dare devil bet and was catapulted into the River Tyne and swept away to drown. Gazza also suffers from Acute Attention Deficiency Syndrome...............even into adulthood and also displays the "twitchiness" of Tourette's Syndrome"I once lost someone very close to me who was derided as an alcoholic with all the attendant scorn and disgust that other people hold "alchies" in. If those judgemental people had known that she turned to excessive drinking to mask the constant pain and insecurity she suffered after years of serial sex abuse, rape and other paedophilia, they might have been more help to her before she eventually died at 26 from acute liver failure in enormous pain, disfigured and bloated on a life support machine for nine whole days whilst her closest watched her slip away. Paul Gasgoine's not a disgrace to football and does not deserve to be forgotten. He is a very sick and unhappy young man who once brought a unique pleasure and enormous enjoyment to millions of people. Have a bit of pity and respect for him please!
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Post by Dave on Sept 26, 2008 19:29:43 GMT
Merse lots Of people have had problems to deal with in their Lives. My mate saw his brother killed as he crashed his motor bike into a tree. Three weeks later driving past a school, a small girl ran out In front Of him and sadly he killed her. Despite being no more than a zombie for five years, we never took to the bottle.
Its far to easy to look for reasons and then just say, there you go, now you can understand why. I was expected to be In trouble when I became a teenager, due to my family situation and yes then people would have turned around and said, what do you expect, the poor boy had such a bad childhood. Guess what It was not what I wanted and I did not let It happen.
We all have to face problems, things that could throw us Off the rails, be weak and they will, be strong inside and fight for who you want to be and how you want to live your life, that Is the way Merse. Not blame your problems on events In your Life, ones that happened a very long time ago.
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Post by andygulls on Sept 26, 2008 20:02:05 GMT
Dave
Overall I have to agree with Merse on this one...indeed for me the Merse post is a contender for the post of the week.
Some people are much "stronger" or resilient than others it's a fact of our existence. Some of us are fortunate enough to be strong. Some are hugely fortunate to benefit from the strength or resilience of others.
Whilst to a point I agree with you in that I think there is a modern tendency sometimes for individuals to look for an excuse for weakness or poor behaviour based upon some historical incident one must be careful not to generalise.
Paul Gascoigne deserves a degree of understanding and support and I hope that he can somehow find that strength he needs to turn his life around.
Then of course there are individuals such as you and your good lady who are having to summon reserves of strength to keep up your battle.
Gascoigne is not a hero for me but I would not treat him with contempt. You and Carol and those who face similar challenges to you, are to me at least, far more heroic and are certainly deserving of support and strength from those of us currently more blessed.
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Post by Dave on Sept 26, 2008 20:10:43 GMT
Firstly many thanks for your kind words Andy, I have had so many late night talks with Carol over the years about people being strong. You see I believe I am strong because I made myself that way, not born strong, I have had the temptations and the chance to take the easy way, but I fought them all. So that Is why I have problems with those I feel do not make the same fights I have had to and so many more like me, I believe anyone can be strong, anyone can say no when they should, If I ever was to tell you my life story not only would you be crying for a week, you would ask just how I have always done the right thing. We do not see ourselves as hero's, simply two people holding hands and not prepared to give up the fight, to do so would really mean the end, no matter how hard this fight Is for us, we would never take the easy way and believe me there is one. We also have talked long into many nights on he shes, but please don't start me on that subject  |
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Post by merse on Sept 27, 2008 8:20:00 GMT
I have problems with those I feel do not make the same fights I have had to and so many more like me, I believe anyone can be strong, anyone can say no when they should, I'd just like to comment on this view Dave and then leave it as it's not something I handle well dwelling on too much. Can I explain alcohol dependency to you? Some begin to view alcohol as an anaesthetic that cushions emotional pain. Excessive intake of alcohol damages the liver which eventually fails to flush out the toxins in the blood which in turn go on to damage the brain and change the way the person thinks. This is where they lose the "will" for self discipline and indeed the brain "tells them" they need the very thing that is killing them. thus they suffer cravings, delusion and dependency. I espoused the very view you hold to the consultant in charge of the case I highlighted and he illustrated the virtual impossibility of withdrawing from the cycle of self destruction by telling me not to to blink until he told me to.....................so there went my self proclaimed mental toughness, no matter how I tried; I could not resist blinking when my eyes told me to! |
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Post by Dave on Sept 27, 2008 9:03:44 GMT
That makes sense Merse and I fully understand what you say happens. I still feel that at the start you can still be strong. Seeing my family destroyed for no good reason, my three children at war, still now after 18 years, my youngest girl, who I fought so hard in the courts to keep access too, only because my son was with me, then taken without my consent to Wales, while still only a child.Never to be a part Of my life, full Of lies about who I am, to try and make sure she never wants to know me,so believe me, I could have so many times looked for comfort in a bottle.
I did not, even when at a time when the pain was so bad I even questioned If I wanted to even be alive anymore, that Is why I feel strongly about the choice to find strength or take the easy way out.Its about holding your head up and finding self pride, If I could do It, then there Is no reason that anyone else could not.
It Is far to easy for anyone to blame any action they have taken, because Of what has happened to them, Its often a cop out, nothing more, we all have the ability to be true to ourselves and show good character by leaning to cope and find the correct path to choose. I wonder If is ex wife feels that he deserves pity and respect, or shall we just blame all that on the bottle, the one he put to his lips and no one else.
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Post by Dave on Sept 29, 2008 18:48:26 GMT
Rolf sent me an email today in it he said
"I regret starting the topic about gazza
the discussion went a complete other way"
Rolf Is not used to forum life, so thinks he has caused trouble. Its OK mate forums are for people to make their views known, we will never always agree, but seldom ever really fall out. ;D
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Post by andygulls on Sept 30, 2008 21:07:04 GMT
Rolf sent me an email today in it he said "I regret starting the topic about gazza the discussion went a complete other way" Rolf Is not used to forum life, so thinks he has caused trouble. Its OK mate forums are for people to make their views known, we will never always agree, but seldom ever really fall out. ;D Yeah, No problems Rolf - It turned into a very interesting and adult discussion. Made us all think a little bit I guess  |
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Post by harrogategull on Sept 30, 2008 21:37:55 GMT
Gazza was one of my football heroes, loved the game and had a god given talent and could have been one of true greats of the game and in my eyes still is.
A genius in his field but with a weakness that is now damaging that image. Why? Who knows maybe just can not handle life with out the game he loves, something many talented sportsman have failed to cope with, George Best, Mike Tyson, Diego Maradona to name but a few.
It is shame that something can not be done to help the guy, give him a football, playing field and a team of kids and let him show them how to play football with a smile, I am sure it could be done and with it maybe he will get better, he is a lost soul with no purpose to his life.
Get well soon Gazza football needs people like you!
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Post by Enzo on Oct 1, 2008 11:46:30 GMT
I remember being quite pleased when Gazza turned his back on Man Utd and Fergie and opted to join Tottenham all those years ago. In hindsight, I wonder what impact Fergie could have had on Gazza's career........and life. I can't help think that Fergie would have been better for Gazza than Venables. I suppose Gazza may well have been out the door within weeks under Fergie's regime...........on the other hand his career may have lasted as long as Ryan Giggs's. Shame.
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I think it should be acknowledged that Paul Gasgoigne suffers from mental illness and therefore should NOT be held as a figure to scorn nor one to ridicule.
