ricky
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Post by ricky on Aug 16, 2010 12:30:23 GMT
No club can live beyond their means, especially in this day and age. We have seen what has happened to bigger clubs than us over the past few seasons (Leeds, Southampton and Pompey to name a few).
Do I want to sell Benyon?- of course no, but do I want to end up like Chester City? - its a no brainer!!
I love your passion and loyalty to the club aussie - and your views were my initial reactions, but if there is any substance behind this rumour then the club has to choose long term security as priority over any footballing decision.
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Post by merse on Aug 16, 2010 12:39:31 GMT
I feel it`s YOU who have missed the point by a bloody country mile pal, how can I have missed my own point? Are you just being arsey for the sake of it or do you feel you are being superior by disecting someones post and trying to annalyse it bit by bit thus delibrately avioding the real point of it? As others tell me all the time re-read the bloody post! And stop trying to be so pompus, we have enough of those already! Before you jump in with both feet again without using your brain; just take a breath and stop making a laughing stock of yourself Aussie. You've missed a pun (know what a pun is?) no-one's being pompous so don't try and start yet another of your tiresome internet wars!
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ricky
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Post by ricky on Aug 16, 2010 12:43:07 GMT
Before you jump in with both feet again without using your brain; just take a breath and stop making a laughing stock of yourself Aussie. You've missed a pun (know what a pun is?) no-one's being pompous so don't try and start yet another of your tiresome internet wars! Red rag to a bull and you know it!Why wont the quote thing work? ??
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merse
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Post by merse on Aug 16, 2010 12:46:12 GMT
But true.................every word of it. Anyway, it's a lovely afternoon and I'm off out with Calvin ~ see you later! ;D
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Post by midlandstufc on Aug 16, 2010 12:49:56 GMT
Er, is it all right if we get back to the point? A question was asked as to whether he warranted the step up and the fee.
Now, we're not certain of what's going on but just suppose there were clubs out there willing to throw us £110k or so (in installments obviously) for Elliot? My reaction? Oh yes f'ing please! I like his enthuiasm and ability to get into goalscoring areas but if he's worth that much then I think I might even command a fee! He still does not have the aggression or strength required, his vision is poor and he often has the first touch of a rapist. He will continue to develop but to get a fee for him now would take a bit of financial pressure off the club and provide (limited) opportunies to develop the squad. Surely Buckle must think he's been given a Brucie bonus if all this is true!?
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Post by Dave on Aug 16, 2010 12:51:00 GMT
Hi Ricky its because you have removed some parts needed, in Taunton now so will put right for you when I get home and sent you a pm to explain
Dave
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Post by loyalgull on Aug 16, 2010 12:58:47 GMT
nothing wrong with moving onwards and upwards,but just like david graham,who was also brilliant with us,i felt he needed one more season,same with elliot,one more goal scoring season for us,would make him very sellable and get a more lucrative contract for him,thats just my opinion of course
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Post by Budleigh on Aug 16, 2010 12:59:28 GMT
Rumours? Inside knowledge? Hearsay?
I would imagine that all supporters, especially those of a small club like ours, can claim to have heard things said about players coming and going. I'm sure there are many who frequent this site who have had fairly solid evidence that movement is going on behind the scenes to bring in or sell a certain player but chosen to keep their counsel.
What I find difficult, and please note this is purely an individual opinion, is that if someone within the club has felt that a person warrants being told of such a happening, and therefore that person must be fairly close to them and trustworthy, what is there to be gained from then spreading this information around? Is this betraying the trust put upon the recepient?
Some of these stories will be well founded as they eminate from a source (that awful word again) within the club. Maybe even first hand from high up in the management structure.
The problem is that even those involved in the running of the club may not have the full picture of the future development of a player's movements. Indeed, even the manager and coaching staff may well feel that a certain player is leaving or signing but then they find at the last minute it all changes.
It's fun to speculate about which players may be coming in to the club and what their role may be, how they could fit into the playing structure etc. Indeed it's been a part of pub banter for many a year. But if someone has been given 'inside information' as part of a private discussion, have they not been trusted to keep that to themselves?
As I mentioned earlier, I'm not saying my viewpoint is necessarily correct, just adding this thought as part of this thread.
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Post by tufc01 on Aug 16, 2010 13:07:32 GMT
In this day and age, a bid for any player belonging to a League 2 club averaging gates of little over three thousand a match should be bitten off at the elbow! Late night carelessness from me...............I meant to put such a bid. Anyone who shows they can score on a regular basis, will attract bids. The crunch for the player comes from just where those bids come from in the league system....................the further up they originate from, the greater an accomplishment in the skills of the game the player will need to possess in order to carry on scoring. [glow=red,2,300]How good do people believe Elliot's skills and awareness, body strength and other attributes really are?[/glow] I only really get to see him on TV goal highlights these days, so I hope his first touch, awareness of the postitions of team mates and all round upper body strength have come on a great deal in the past twelve months. No doubt they have, but enough to be an accomplished player and scorer in The Championship? I have to admit I am a fan of Benyon. But to answer your question, I think that League 2 is his level, not convinced he would be a success in League 1 and the Championship is a bit beyond his talents imo, at this stage of his career. However, part of the buying process is the buying of potential as much as the talent/quality of the player at the time. As for his attributes; I like how industrious he is, I like how he chases everything down and I think he has an eye for goal and his spacial awareness in and around the box is excellent. I also think that he has got stronger and is much better at getting in front of the defender when a long ball is sent up to him. His two main faults are his first Touch, which often lets him down (although we have scored one from it so far) and getting muscled off the ball too easily at times. Generally he is getting better, although his first touch in the 2 games that i have seen this season haven’t. Yes I would like him to stay as he looks like he could get a hatful this season which would greatly enhance any promotion hopes we have. However, would I like to see him sold for £100k, you bet I would. I would hope that some of the money is re-invested back into the squad itself. If used correctly we could get a couple of decent players in for the price of losing just one.
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Post by aussie on Aug 16, 2010 13:46:44 GMT
Every now and again sell a player to help the books along but to sell all the youngsters that you develope just to keep ending up at the foot of the table struggling is absolutely f*$king pointless, has no-one got any ambition to become a bigger and better club that can hopefully one way or another be able too at least take on the countries best in one fashion or another! That's a cry from the heart without recourse to the head isn't it. Every club is a "selling club" ~ even Man Utd, witness the departure of Cristiano Ronaldo (not the real one) ~ when a player decrees he no longer wishes to stay and play for his employing club there is little to be gained from holding him to his (finite) contract and thus losing him for little or nothing at the end of it. Arsenal will be a "selling club" when the time of Cec Fabrigas' contract end gets nearer, of that you can bet your bottom dollar. No club has bigger restrictions on it's potential for holding on to players than OUR club: with a tiny ground capacity of just six thousand, and a local population that struggles to more than half fill it, what do you expect? Jesus Christ has the whole operation not just run at a loss of 1.3 million pounds the last two seasons..............and when last did we sell a promising player? To claim the club is on a policy of selling ALL it's promising players is just rubbish, but every player has a price ~ it's just life! I never claimed that, someone else did, I was just commenting on it, I also stated that we could sell players to help balance the books but made a comment about not selling all of them!
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Post by aussie on Aug 16, 2010 13:58:27 GMT
I feel it`s YOU who have missed the point by a bloody country mile pal, how can I have missed my own point? Are you just being arsey for the sake of it or do you feel you are being superior by disecting someones post and trying to annalyse it bit by bit thus delibrately avioding the real point of it? As others tell me all the time re-read the bloody post! And stop trying to be so pompus, we have enough of those already! Before you jump in with both feet again without using your brain; just take a breath and stop making a laughing stock of yourself Aussie. You've missed a pun (know what a pun is?) no-one's being pompous so don't try and start yet another of your tiresome internet wars! Just because Rags is one of your mates and you feel the need to stick up for him doesn`t give you the right to be a tosser! Oh but you just can`t help it can you, your a very funny person Merse I hope to `see you next tuesday `m/F! I wasn`t trying to start anything but you have succeeded! Again! Or is it still?
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Post by Rags on Aug 16, 2010 14:16:13 GMT
Listen mate, someone said about selling all the youngsters, now I can understand selling a few every now and then BUT NOT ALL of them ALL the time! Or we may as well just support the most successfull team in the land and be done with it!FFS I feel it`s YOU who have missed the point by a bloody country mile pal, how can I have missed my own point? Are you just being arsey for the sake of it or do you feel you are being superior by disecting someones post and trying to annalyse it bit by bit thus delibrately avioding the real point of it? As others tell me all the time re-read the bloody post! And stop trying to be so pompus, we have enough of those already! Firstly, as far as I'm aware, we're not selling all of the young players. Furthermore, the point I good-naturedly suggested you might have missed (along with a big cheesy smiley to show that I wasn't being serious) is a direct response to you saying that if the club "go[es] down the line of being a selling club and never aim to get anywhere then I will no longer bother and take up something with a point to it", inasmuch as I was suggesting that there is a very clear and valid point to selling young players; one that you had failed to address in your post and had apparently decided to ignore. I only used the phrase "missed the point" because you had used the noun three times in your initial posting. The reason I dissected your post was so that you could see which part of my reply referred to which part of your post. Finally to suggest that I am being pompous to challenge or disagree with your view is tantamount to pomposity in itself - what, you're view is more important than mine therefore I'm not allowed to challenge it?! You know, if I'm simply not allowed to disagree with you, Aussie, perhaps I'll just steer clear of anything you write. It seems that you would prefer things that way.
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ricky
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Post by ricky on Aug 16, 2010 15:00:42 GMT
Come on guys, this thread is going down a bad path and one that I am sure Dave would not appreciate. There is a lot of unneeded goading to gain a reaction, unwarranted reactions to this goading and then a belittling of this reaction. It’s a viscous circle which only creates a negative feel for TFF.
Dave was very upset last time things blew up on here, let’s not have a repeat of this.
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Post by merse on Aug 16, 2010 15:02:09 GMT
Finally to suggest that I am being pompous to challenge or disagree with your view is tantamount to pomposity in itself - what, you're view is more important than mine therefore I'm not allowed to challenge it?! You know, if I'm simply not allowed to disagree with you, Aussie, perhaps I'll just steer clear of anything you write. It seems that you would prefer things that way. He's not pompous Rags, he's just a very silly boy. The sort who would have a punch up with himself if he got locked in a phone box before he realised there was an instrument in there to help him in his dilemma. Perhaps whenever the fluttering British flag with a few stars round it appears on this forum we should all just ignore that thread until he's gone to bed.
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Post by Rags on Aug 16, 2010 15:04:35 GMT
Has Elliot gone yet?
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