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Post by petef on Aug 16, 2010 8:54:15 GMT
True or not if he continues in the same vein as he has done of late we wil inevitably lose him as we will Okane, Kee or any of the promising youngsters Buckle is nurturing at this time. Its a fact of life for a club like our, any hint of success and bigger clubs come sniffing and we go back to square one again. Disheartening for supporters but a fact of life for smaller, selling clubs and if we mantain our promising start the manager will be next to be head hunted.
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Post by lambethgull on Aug 16, 2010 9:25:24 GMT
This will be disappointing if true, as Elliot's improvement is there for all to see and I could see him bagging 20-25 goals this season. However, if a club is talking about a six figure sum then i don't see how the board could turn such a bid down. This will happen with the club's policy of bringing in and developing young players - expect similar interest in the likes of Ellis and o Kane in future months. Unfortunate in some respects, but potentially a way of ensuring the mid and long-term health and future of TUFC.
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Post by jonnyfive on Aug 16, 2010 9:33:03 GMT
This is fantastic news if true. As much as he is 'one of our own', and as much as he has improved over the last couple of years, this is exactly what TUFC exists for...
A six-figure fee complete with sell-on clause will be extremely useful in our current financial situation, and serves as vindication of our manager's eye for talent.
As much as I would like to enjoy his improved quality for the whole of this season, we cannot afford to play brinkmanship over a player on a relatively short contract.
If he goes, I wish him well. A good acquisition, a good servant, and a good bit of business. The next one will be along soon. C'est la vie in the lower leagues.
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Post by Rags on Aug 16, 2010 9:36:59 GMT
I'll be very happy if he gets regular games at a higher level than League Two, especially The Championship; just as I am always delighted to see Little Jo score for the Gasheads.
It'll be even better if we get a nice transfer fee for him and even better than that if we can sneak Richard Logan away from the Greeks to play for us.
Although with Kee/Gritts up front on a regular basis, would Logan want to be a reserve striker? ;D
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Post by jonnyfive on Aug 16, 2010 9:46:33 GMT
BTW, my first paragraph should end with 'this is part of what TUFC exists for'. In no way do I see us as some sort of humble feeder club!
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Post by alunmeerkat on Aug 16, 2010 9:50:27 GMT
I am not sure that I would be so pleased to see Logan as a replacement for Benyon! Fair play to Benyon - he is a mighty hard worker, an d has worked hard to improve his game. A real team player who runs his socks off for the team. He is also the main player who has developed under Buckle as well. Hate to remind you merse but I have got to anyway - he is looking anything like "Silly Billy" Benyon now. I'm afraid you are going to have to take that one on the chin.
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Post by merse on Aug 16, 2010 10:12:18 GMT
Hate to remind you merse but I have got to anyway - he is looking anything like Silly Billy Benyon now. I'm afraid you are going to have to take that one on the chin. I've no problem with taking that one on the chin, and I doubt that you really "hate" to remind me If he developes into a Championship player, then Benyon has done really well for himself and he owes a great debt to a manager who showed tremendous faith in him for he is a truly "slow burner" as far as development goes and I guess he has as much "grown up with the team" as much as any individual advancement. It's very true that the better the team (or players) you play with, the better you look and in reality; the easier it gets.................I've had many a converstaion on this very topic with Anthony. The Torquay United of today are clearly a much better and more accomplished Torquay United than a year ago and certainly more so than the one Paul Buckle set out with three years ago aren't they! I know Stefano would agree with me when I draw a comparison to the often inept and regularly ridiculed Reg Jenkins who left this club many years ago to become a folk hero and very good player at Rochdale, and to a lesser extent to Fred Binney who found a regular starting place impossible to achieve at Plainmoor in the old Third Division, dropped down a level to Exeter City and became one of the all time great City strikers in my humble opinion. Elliot Benyon came to us as a "rejected" Bristol City product ~ wouldn't it be delicious for him if it were to Ashton Gate that he returned to "remind them" of his existence!
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Post by dazgull on Aug 16, 2010 10:15:38 GMT
I wouldnt want Logan either but im afraid if Benyon goes then I think you will find Bucks trying to sign him. Has been tracking him since last season anyway...
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Aug 16, 2010 10:18:36 GMT
I would be gutted to see him go as his scoring would be key to promotion/the playoffs. Its a sad fact of life that nowadays, if a player wants to move to a higher level, there is little the club can do. Its all about player power now (witness Barry/Milner to Man C and various other occasions). However, as long as Swansea (or whoever) dont try and rip us off, or lady thingy around till the end of the season when he is out of contract, then its something we will have to live with. I wont blame Benners, would anyone here honestly turn down a bigger, better paid job if it was offered to them? The Bosman ruling has a lot to answer for (IMO) for smaller clubs edit: Nice auto edit setup Dave I think on this occasion its a bit harsh changing a 5 letter word beginning with F and ending in Y (with an A and a couple of Ns in it) in the context of the post. Ive even heard my mother (in her 70s) use it to describe someone mucking around ;D ;D
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Post by chrish on Aug 16, 2010 10:31:22 GMT
In this day and age, a bid for any player belonging to a League 2 club averaging gates of little over three thousand a match should be bitten off at the elbow! Late night carelessness from me...............I meant to put such a bid. Anyone who shows they can score on a regular basis, will attract bids. The crunch for the player comes from just where those bids come from in the league system....................the further up they originate from, the greater an accomplishment in the skills of the game the player will need to possess in order to carry on scoring. How good do people believe Elliot's skills and awareness, body strength and other attributes really are? I only really get to see him on TV goal highlights these days, so I hope his first touch, awareness of the postitions of team mates and all round upper body strength have come on a great deal in the past twelve months. No doubt they have, but enough to be an accomplished player and scorer in The Championship? I think Saturday's performance from him encapsulated exactly what he is as a player. The good.....Two good headers, a cracking finish from 16 yards which got ruled out for offside, and tireless effort. The indifferent? His runs aren't that clever sometimes, he doesn't always lay the ball that well (or to a Torquay player for that matter) and he doesn't usually take the correct option when running with the ball when we hit teams on the break. Since he's been here it's been the last 6 or 7 months where he's really stepped up the good parts of this game and he's also improved the indifferent parts of his game. I think the Championship might be a bit of a step up for him and he might well find himself on the bench being used as an impact sub. Does he have the ability to match someone like Jamie Mackie who made a big step up and then at times flattered to deceive a little bit before now making a good start in a very good QPR team.
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Post by chelstongull on Aug 16, 2010 10:44:17 GMT
Not sure whether Logie would be a direct replacement for Benners IF he goes. Gritts is more in that mould.
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Post by aussie on Aug 16, 2010 11:34:22 GMT
Why don`t we all just support Man.ure if we are going to sell all the new lads that we bring on? Every now and again sell a player to help the books along but to sell all the youngsters that you develope just to keep ending up at the foot of the table struggling is absolutely f*$king pointless, has no-one got any ambition to become a bigger and better club that can hopefully one way or another be able too at least take on the countries best in one fashion or another! I tell you what, if we are going to go down the line of being a selling club and never aim to get anywhere then I will no longer bother and take up something with a point to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can`t see the directors (FANS) being happy with that either, otherwise there was NO point in them rescueing the club!
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Post by Rags on Aug 16, 2010 11:46:28 GMT
Why don`t we all just support Man.ure if we are going to sell all the new lads that we bring on? I don't see any logic in that statement. And its not as if we are going to sell all the new lads that we bring on without having a perfectly suitable replacement in the wings - isn't that the point of having a successful youth system? Every now and again sell a player to help the books along but to sell all the youngsters that you develope just to keep ending up at the foot of the table struggling is absolutely f*$king pointless, has no-one got any ambition to become a bigger and better club that can hopefully one way or another be able too at least take on the countries best in one fashion or another! I would have thought that selling some of our brightest young players will give us the resources to do exactly that. Crewe's model of developing young players to sell on certainly didn't confine them to being at the foot of the table, and their appearance in League Two merely goes to show that they themselves lost sight of how to develop young players to sell on. Developing youth to sell on and thereby raising money to improve the playing side is "f*$king pointful" (yes I know such a word doesn't exist, but it should do!) and proves that the current board do have the ambition to turn the club into a successful one. I tell you what, if we are going to go down the line of being a selling club and never aim to get anywhere then I will no longer bother and take up something with a point to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think you might have missed the point! ;D I can`t see the directors (FANS) being happy with that either, otherwise there was NO point in them rescueing the club! Exactly, and the fact that they are happy with considering such an option should show the point of it.
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Post by aussie on Aug 16, 2010 11:57:36 GMT
Listen mate, someone said about selling all the youngsters, now I can understand selling a few every now and then BUT NOT ALL of them ALL the time! Or we may as well just support the most successfull team in the land and be done with it!FFS I feel it`s YOU who have missed the point by a bloody country mile pal, how can I have missed my own point? Are you just being arsey for the sake of it or do you feel you are being superior by disecting someones post and trying to annalyse it bit by bit thus delibrately avioding the real point of it? As others tell me all the time re-read the bloody post! And stop trying to be so pompus, we have enough of those already!
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Post by merse on Aug 16, 2010 12:04:01 GMT
Every now and again sell a player to help the books along but to sell all the youngsters that you develope just to keep ending up at the foot of the table struggling is absolutely f*$king pointless, has no-one got any ambition to become a bigger and better club that can hopefully one way or another be able too at least take on the countries best in one fashion or another! That's a cry from the heart without recourse to the head isn't it. Every club is a "selling club" ~ even Man Utd, witness the departure of Cristiano Ronaldo (not the real one) ~ when a player decrees he no longer wishes to stay and play for his employing club there is little to be gained from holding him to his (finite) contract and thus losing him for little or nothing at the end of it. Arsenal will be a "selling club" when the time of Cec Fabrigas' contract end gets nearer, of that you can bet your bottom dollar. No club has bigger restrictions on it's potential for holding on to players than OUR club: with a tiny ground capacity of just six thousand, and a local population that struggles to more than half fill it, what do you expect? Jesus Christ has the whole operation not just run at a loss of 1.3 million pounds the last two seasons..............and when last did we sell a promising player? To claim the club is on a policy of selling ALL it's promising players is just rubbish, but every player has a price ~ it's just life!
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