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Post by jmgull on Jun 13, 2010 21:41:23 GMT
On reflection, Robert Green's error and the resulting goal was pretty similar to the extra-time winner that 'goalscoring legend' Dickie Hancox notched against Kidderminster in an FA Cup replay circa 94/95. Absolutely spot on ;D Athough if i remember correctly, the kiddie keeper that day had played a blinder, only for then to do what's commonly now known as a "greener" ...to hand us a late 1-0 win. Dempsey's shot might even have had a tiny bit more pace on it than Dickie's customary "shank".
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Post by merse on Jun 13, 2010 21:42:30 GMT
Who was that they were playing against? I thought it was supposed to be Australia, but that team looked about as inept as the Isle of Wight. Had it been a boxing match it would have been stopped after an hour.
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Post by merse on Jun 13, 2010 22:00:27 GMT
I am as proud as anyone to be a citizen of the UK and a born and bred Englishman, but I don't share Dave's view on the singing of the national anthem................. It's not actually a "national anthem" in the true sense of the word is it. It doesn't extoll the virtues of the nation it extolls the virtues of the monarch. Two other football teams of the United kingdom choose not to have it as their anthem anyway.......................the Scots use "Flower of Scotland" and the Welsh, "Land Of My Fathers". The anthem of England is "Land Of Hope & Glory" and just as we play under the flag of England we should sing the anthem of England, to play "God Save The Queen" is as outdated and ridiculous as playing under the Union Flag. We are England, as simple as that!
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Post by loyalgull on Jun 13, 2010 22:06:12 GMT
Who was that they were playing against? I thought it was supposed to be Australia, but that team looked about as inept as the Isle of Wight. Had it been a boxing match it would have been stopped after an hour. the aussies were terrible tonight,but the germans more often than not peak in major tournaments,we could play them next round if they win there group and we come second,and on current form i wouldnt fancy our chances one bit,and on our anthem i agree land of hope and glory should be our SONG not as you say that dull god save our queen
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Post by jmgull on Jun 13, 2010 22:11:59 GMT
Who was that they were playing against? I thought it was supposed to be Australia, but that team looked about as inept as the Isle of Wight. Had it been a boxing match it would have been stopped after an hour. Ok, the germans moved it around well and looked a half decent side.........but the aussies were shocking, old and slow at the back and lightweight, half-hearted and slow in midfield, they seem to have gone backwards since the last world cup at an alarming rate. After the stress of last night, tonight was one of those pleasant games to watch as a neutral, when its equally satisfying to see either side humped
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Post by stuartB on Jun 13, 2010 22:15:18 GMT
I am as proud as anyone to be a citizen of the UK and a born and bred Englishman, but I don't share Dave's view on the singing of the national anthem................. It's not actually a "national anthem" in the true sense of the word is it. It doesn't extoll the virtues of the nation it extolls the virtues of the monarch. Two other football teams of the United kingdom choose not to have it as their anthem anyway.......................the Scots use "Flower of Scotland" and the Welsh, "Land Of My Fathers". The anthem of England is "Land Of Hope & Glory" and just as we play under the flag of England we should sing the anthem of England, to play "God Save The Queen" is as outdated and ridiculous as playing under the Union Flag. We are England, as simple as that! 100% agree with you and banged on about this for years. Land of hope and glory is the English national anthem and promotes the passion far greater than God save the Queen. The more the Welsh, Scots and Irish become nationalistic, it is the right for the English to do the same but seems to be frowned upon
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Post by lambethgull on Jun 13, 2010 22:18:28 GMT
It's not actually a "national anthem" in the true sense of the word is it. It doesn't extoll the virtues of the nation it extolls the virtues of the monarch. Two other football teams of the United kingdom choose not to have it as their anthem anyway.......................the Scots use "Flower of Scotland" and the Welsh, "Land Of My Fathers". The anthem of England is "Land Of Hope & Glory" and just as we play under the flag of England we should sing the anthem of England, to play "God Save The Queen" is as outdated and ridiculous as playing under the Union Flag. We are England, as simple as that! 100% agree with you and banged on about this for years. Land of hope and glory is the English national anthem and promotes the passion far greater than God save the Queen. The more the Welsh, Scots and Irish become nationalistic, it is the right for the English to do the same but seems to be frowned upon They go in for all that because they know their countries are largely irrelevant nobodies. The English should be above such nonsense. I'm rather fond of the national anthem actually. And hearing it played for England is sure to irritate the gawping Welsh and Scots as they rage in impotent failure. I just wish they'd dub it in whatever language the opposition players and fans speak – they’d probably still be laughing after the game had kicked off.
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Post by Dave on Jun 13, 2010 22:22:13 GMT
100% agree with you and banged on about this for years. Land of hope and glory is the English national anthem and promotes the passion far greater than God save the Queen. The more the Welsh, Scots and Irish become nationalistic, it is the right for the English to do the same but seems to be frowned upon Well you may be surprised to know I also agree that Land Of hope and Glory should be used for such occasions rather than the national anthem. This song really does move you and makes you feel proud. But I still maintain no matter what song is used the players should sing it and show the world they are proud to be playing for their county. Can't believe I just said that, but then again I can as I know it may be no more than me having one of those demented moments.
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Post by stuartB on Jun 13, 2010 22:26:39 GMT
100% agree with you and banged on about this for years. Land of hope and glory is the English national anthem and promotes the passion far greater than God save the Queen. The more the Welsh, Scots and Irish become nationalistic, it is the right for the English to do the same but seems to be frowned upon Well you may be surprised to know I also agree that Land Of hope and Glory should be used for such occasions rather than the national anthem. This song really does move you and makes you feel proud. But I still maintain no matter what song is used the players should sing it and show the world they are proud to be playing for their county. Can't believe I just said that, but then again I can as I know it may be no more than me having one of those demented moments. I agree Dave. I love to see players singing the national anthem with pride and passion. The Welsh and New Zealand Rugby teams do this with enormous passion and pride which must help them to launch themselves into a great start to the game.
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Post by loyalgull on Jun 13, 2010 22:55:19 GMT
i love the last night of the proms,land of hope and glory,rule brittania makes the hairs on my neck stand on end as well,granted not the best song as an anthem,especially if we play argentina,but none the less very meaningful for different reasons,but god save the queen bores me to tears and does nowt to get the adrenalin going,more like a mogadon song
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Post by ospelgull on Jun 14, 2010 6:32:10 GMT
Well, that was a very uninspiring performance from the English team. Here in Holland we feel that our defense is the weakest part of the team but Carragher...
Lennon was causing some problems, would be better if you had two wingers who could take on the opposition. Milner poor and SWP hadn't got a clue out there. Gerrard and Lampard near invisible although a good finish from the skipper! Rooney, who? And Heskey works hard but can't finish.
Isn't it better to play Rooney as the lone striker with Gerrard and/or Lampard playing off him? 4-5-1, two wingers with pace, Lampard and Gerrard central with a defensive midfielder behind them.
Joe Hart for a start? The guy's been brilliant this season.
Oh and Torquay United got a mention on Dutch National television, the commentator saw some TUFC flags before the game!
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Post by petejones on Jun 14, 2010 10:23:16 GMT
on the question of national anthems, and nationalisms generally, it seems to me that patriotic nationalism is only really legitimate (maybe 'legitimate' is the wrong word) for those nation-states that are struggling or have struggled for independence or freedom from oppression. when it's on the part of those who have exploited, continue to exploit, and have all the power yet do little other than reinforce their own interests, it's all a bit distasteful.
so while the irish or scottish support is impressive, heartening etc, i find rampant english or american (for example) nationalism, even patriotism, leaves a bad taste in the mouth. this effect extends to the fact that i became uncharacteristically patriotic when we played the americans (as the world's uber-exploitative power)...whereas i won't be when we play algeria, for example.
not saying it's right/justifiable/logical, but that's my gut reaction to these things.
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Post by Rags on Jun 14, 2010 11:28:21 GMT
Had I ever been good enough to play for England I certainly wouldn't have sung along to the National Anthem, and I certainly don't sing along to it whenever it is played at sporting events I attend.
While it includes the line: "Rebellious Scots to crush" I feel I would be showing disrespect to my Scottish grandparents by singing anything that alludes to the Scottish as enemies of my country. Even if they are!
If the Queen were to publicly reject the sixth verse and pass some law that removed it from the National Anthem, then I would probably feel differently.
I've always felt that a national anthem should be something that extols the virtues and qualities of that nation, not insults or abuses other nations. Which is why I would prefer Elgar's Land of Hope And Glory, with it's pointer to ours being a free land. Even though the tune is a bit "ploddy".
"Jerusalem" is more tuneful and flowing, but being forced to listen to it being belted out at various England Test matches over the past few years has put me right off it.
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Post by milber on Jun 14, 2010 12:43:41 GMT
god save the Queen does absolutely nothing for me.
Flower of scotland on the other hand really gets the juices flowing, particularly when at Murray filed they stop the band and the crowd sings on. Great stuff. and I`m not even a jock.
The irish songs and the french also do the business.
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Post by Rob on Jun 14, 2010 13:20:15 GMT
While it includes the line: "Rebellious Scots to crush" I feel I would be showing disrespect to my Scottish grandparents by singing anything that alludes to the Scottish as enemies of my country. Even if they are! If they can send proud Edward's army homeward to think again........
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