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Post by merse on Jun 13, 2010 9:14:19 GMT
Why is there any need to keep playing around with the ball? Is there any other sport where the most important object that is used in the game gets altered and changed as often as many people change their underwear.  Speak for yourself, but I change mine every day...................not once every four years. Mind you I do know how to make 'em last four days: Day 1: Regulation way Day 2: Turn 'em round. Day 3: Inside out Day 4: Inside out and back to front! You'll end up with more skid marks than a four wheel drive!  |
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Post by merse on Jun 13, 2010 9:41:39 GMT
One thing that really bugs me before the start of any England game is players who do not sing when the national anthem is played; as far as I’m concerned the players should be so proud to be wearing the shirt and playing for their country and should be proud to sing the national anthem when it’s played.
If I were the England manager the team would have it drilled into it that they were playing for the national team of England and it starts when the national anthem is played before a game and they need to show how proud they are playing for their country by putting their heart and soul into sing the national anthem when it is played. Whilst I largely agree with the rest of your post Dave, I totally differ in my opinion on this point. I think players need to be focussing their minds on what lays ahead and when I see Welsh rugby players for instance bellowing out their anthem with tears rolling down their faces I know they are out of focus. That is unecessary expending of nervous energy and detrimental to physical performance. Cold, calculated focus is the way; separate the emotion from the task ahead and to be honest when they're out there in the middle much of the minutae and detail of the singing and chanting is shut out of really professional minds. As an experienced Italian who played in a very cold, calculated and at times cynical national team; Fabio Capello will be aware of that. It is a nation that has won the World Cup four times though so they must be doing it right. I had the National Anthem played for me when I refereed a youth tournament final in Germany many years ago, and I agree it is inspirational; but I didn't sing along with it. Another fine memory I hold of that tournament was of an East German side knocking on the dressing room door as they filed past to their own dressing room and every one of them shaking my hand and thanking me for doing the game! |
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Post by davethegull on Jun 13, 2010 9:44:49 GMT
Dave singing that dirge glorifying an outdated institution that isn't even english serves what purpose again? I could understand it more if they sung it to the Krauts or greeks cos they have more in common with the royal scroungers than we do! Pride for the country i completely agree with but those parasites never.
What worries me is the age of Lampard/Gerrard et al. This is their last WC and who follows when they pack it in? Um....er.....yeah.....no-one springs to mind that would be judged potential world beaters. If we don't do it this time i think we never will again. Other nations are on the way up while we decline.
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Post by merse on Jun 13, 2010 10:06:26 GMT
What worries me is the age of Lampard/Gerrard et al. This is their last WC and who follows when they pack it in? Um....er.....yeah.....no-one springs to mind that would be judged potential world beaters. Got to disagree with you there, James Milner will be fine, as will Jack Wilshere, Keiron Gibbs, Ashley Young to name but three. There is far more suitable talent coming through now that there ever was eight years ago. Suitable because they have been better developed, better coached and allowed more time to evolve their own style rather than get pitched in too quickly as Lampard and Gerrard have. Still struggling to think of a goalkeeper though  |
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Post by Dave on Jun 13, 2010 14:45:19 GMT
Dave singing that dirge glorifying an outdated institution that isn't even english serves what purpose again? I could understand it more if they sung it to the Krauts or greeks cos they have more in common with the royal scroungers than we do! Pride for the country i completely agree with but those parasites never. Davethegull, we all well know by now your views on the UK, just as we are now so bored of hearing merses views on Devon people, you yourself no longer live in the UK and thankfully for Devon people merse no longer lives down here. Its why people like aussie get so upset at times, its why a Yorkshire man who moved to Devon(Grahame ) no longer uses our forum as they have just got so fed up with the constant attacks of Devon people who so often are all put in a box and have a label stuck on the top. Such remarks as the one posted yesterday thus I still hold a great deal of incredulity and "disgust" that so many people down there will in effect behave like "turkeys voting for christmas" are just typical of the rudeness that those who are TFF members and do live here have to put up with, the thing is as I said in a post on Friday that the members on here should remember its just his views and those views are no more valuable than any other members views, or even a true refection of Devon people. There are good and bad where ever we choose to live and how wrong it is to stick one part of the population of the UK into a box, it would be like me saying one group of people living in the UK are all terrorists just because a few of them were. My view has always been if you don’t like seagulls don’t move to Torbay, if you don’t like church bells ringing, don’t move to a village and if you don’t like the people where you do live them move somewhere else. Only don’t keep on and on moaning and bitching about those people who are proud and happy with who they are and where they live as who knows it may be they were all good people and if was only the type of person you are that make you not fit in. So Davethegull, I’m very proud to tell people I was born in Devon and still live here, I’m very proud to live here with so many other great Devon people and so many others who have moved here for all sorts of reasons and I know many have because they were looking for a better quaintly of life and found it here in Devon. I’m also very proud to tell anyone I’m British and love the fact we have a royal family and so should anyone who represents this country. When our football team put on their England shirt they should swell up with pride and yes the national anthem is what it says on the tin and singing it should only heighten that very proud feeling and that is why I believe our players should be singing it. When the camera goes along the line and you see a player not singing it to me it shows a lack of any respect for the country they are representing and some even have a look of real arrogance on their face, they may well be arrogant people but lets show the cameras a really united team proud to get the chance to play for their country by getting them to sing the countries national anthem. |
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Post by loyalgull on Jun 13, 2010 15:39:45 GMT
i am english not british,and having lived in several places in england over the years devon takes some beating as far as anywhere to live,breathtaking coastlines,beautiful countryside and a below average crime rate allied to a slow pace of live makes it an ideal place to raise your family,but of course that is my opinion.Devon has its odd bodd locals like anywhere else,they tend to be nosey but give littlle is known of them,especially in villages,but that is the way they are.For me nothing beats devon,even if i was born here.Those that dont live here choose to do just that,so whats there problem?
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Post by merse on Jun 13, 2010 17:37:34 GMT
When the camera goes along the line and you see a player not singing it to me it shows a lack of any respect for the country they are representing and some even have a look of real arrogance on their face, they may well be arrogant people but lets show the cameras a really united team proud to get the chance to play for their country by getting them to sing the countries national anthem. That has such little relevance to professional football I cannot believe you said that Dave.....................well perhaps I can, but in all honesty if that's the criteria for picking players to play for the national team lets have a team sheet beginning with with Jedward as the centre backs and Lily Allen on the wing  Since when was one player singing along to a Victorian dirge and another not, suggest a "disunited " team. I told you how much I enjoyed hearing our national anthem and how proud it made me feel but it didn't make a hap'eth of difference to how I went on and refereed ~ and as for me singing it......................have you heard me sing? It would have been an embarassment to the nation! |
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Post by merse on Jun 13, 2010 17:40:54 GMT
thus I still hold a great deal of incredulity and "disgust" that so many people down there will in effect behave like "turkeys voting for christmas" are just typical of the rudeness that those who are TFF members and do live here have to put up with, So who was on here moaning and groaning that your Tory (know the cost of everything and the value of nothing) mayor had flogged off Oldway Mansion? Turkeys mate, turkeys ~ just like the one in the zoo!  |
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Post by lambethgull on Jun 13, 2010 17:51:13 GMT
I am as proud as anyone to be a citizen of the UK and a born and bred Englishman, but I don't share Dave's view on the singing of the national anthem by the players. You certainly wouldn't catch me singing anything on national - let alone global - TV.
To me, this is the same sort of thing as the criticism levelled at Nathanial Rowe-Turner last season when people starting whining, amongst other things, that "he didn't applaud the Popside as he ran out" - arguably the most ridiculous thing I read on this site throughout the whole of last season.
The World Cup is a football competition. Footballers are there to execute their skills to the highest level possible. Apart from being expected to behave like law-abiding adults, they are not there to sing, dance or generally live up to anything other than to be good footballers.
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Post by stefano on Jun 13, 2010 18:20:35 GMT
The World Cup is a football competition.....they are not there to sing, dance or generally live up to anything other than to be good footballers. I wish you would tell some of the competing Nations that. I didn't think Ghana were going to line up again to kick off after their goal with all that singing and dancing goal celebration routine on the touchlines! ;D |
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Post by loyalgull on Jun 13, 2010 18:41:39 GMT
germans one up already
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Post by lambethgull on Jun 13, 2010 19:07:29 GMT
The World Cup is a football competition.....they are not there to sing, dance or generally live up to anything other than to be good footballers. I wish you would tell some of the competing Nations that. I didn't think Ghana were going to line up again to kick off after their goal with all that singing and dancing goal celebration routine on the touchlines! ;D The singing, dancing and general merriment has been non-stop in parts of South London tonight, that's for sure. I've no problem with goal celebrations...but there are no doubt some who will criticise the England team for not celebrating as well as the South Africans or Ghanaians! |
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Post by stefano on Jun 13, 2010 19:38:27 GMT
I wish you would tell some of the competing Nations that. I didn't think Ghana were going to line up again to kick off after their goal with all that singing and dancing goal celebration routine on the touchlines! ;D The singing, dancing and general merriment has been non-stop in parts of South London tonight, that's for sure. I've no problem with goal celebrations...but there are no doubt some who will criticise the England team for not celebrating as well as the South Africans or Ghanaians! Don't think we need to worry unduly about our goal celebrations ... there won't be many! ....and now the 13 year old lad next door who is always wandering around in an Argyle shirt has aquired a vuvuzela and is giving it rocks in the back garden!!!  |
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Jun 13, 2010 19:52:26 GMT
On reflection, Robert Green's error and the resulting goal was pretty similar to the extra-time winner that 'goalscoring legend' Dickie Hancox notched against Kidderminster in an FA Cup replay circa 94/95.
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Post by merse on Jun 13, 2010 21:36:43 GMT
Its why people like aussie get so upset at times, its why a Yorkshire man who moved to Devon(Grahame ) no longer uses our forum as they have just got so fed up with the constant attacks of Devon people who so often are all put in a box and have a label stuck on the top.
Such remarks as the one posted yesterdaythus I still hold a great deal of incredulity and "disgust" that so many people down there will in effect behave like "turkeys voting for christmas" are just typical of the rudeness that those who are TFF members and do live here have to put up with................. If someone has stopped using the forum for the reason you state that is indeed very trivial, just as if you regard my comment as "rudeness" then that is hyper sensitive, if not paranoid. What I am putting over to you is that to use democracy to elect a party that habitually exploits you is akin to the non white South Africans using their first free vote to vote for the party that instigated apartheid. I don't interpret YOU suggesting that the people of Devon being fortunate that I no longer live there as being rudeness, it is merely your opinion; so why you yet again jump about like a scalded cat because someone doesn't wax as lyrical about the place as you do is beyond comprehension. |
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