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Post by Dave on Sept 18, 2008 16:16:50 GMT
I do not disagree with you Riveralou, I have never had a drink at any game, other than a coke, but for some It seems It is all part of the day going to watch a match.
I can only imagine that they feel that they have had something taken away, that was always OK before and has never caused any problems. Some may feel, with the entertainment value being as low as It has lately that having these changes were the excuse they needed to stop going.
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Post by merse on Sept 18, 2008 16:28:19 GMT
 I always found it somewhat amusing to see that sad little "crocodile" wending it's drink dependent way towards Boots sometimes well before half time and therefore missing some of the action....................then they would return after the second half had started. If games were suddenly of 80 minutes duration, they would be looking for a discount  Anyone who can't go a whole 90 odd minutes without a drink must have a problem!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2008 16:32:52 GMT
i think maybe its like dave r said that it was a habbit something they had always done then they find its taken away with a poor excuse. some people just do not like any changes unless they see that they make things better.
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Post by midlandstufc on Sept 19, 2008 11:19:20 GMT
Last year, half time at Stafford, the Tannoy announced that we were welcome to pop into their clubhouse for a swift half or two.
Ooh, why not!? I thought.
Then I got there and saw the queue - Sod that for a game of soldiers, was my next thought. I'll miss the start of the second half. So I went for a wee instead.
Moral of the story - don't go to Stafford as a Torquay fan, as they're all thirsty buggers!
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Post by Jon on Sept 19, 2008 12:13:18 GMT
It is quite clear that some "unfortunate" happenings have made it just about impossible to run that business successfully. I wonder if all the "Health and Safety" issues will now be miraculously resolved. I am sure that the old landlord would have been in a poor position to negotiate, given the damage that has been done to his trade. I hope that the board has not taken advantage of that situation and have treated him fairly. We all want the club to move forward, but i hope that the ethical instincts of the board members that I know have over-ruled any purely commercial instincts on this occasion. That would be "the Boyce way". ,,10445~1397535,00.html   |
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Post by Dave on Sept 19, 2008 15:38:48 GMT
It is quite clear that some "unfortunate" happenings have made it just about impossible to run that business successfully. I wonder if all the "Health and Safety" issues will now be miraculously resolved. I am sure that the old landlord would have been in a poor position to negotiate, given the damage that has been done to his trade. I hope that the board has not taken advantage of that situation and have treated him fairly. We all want the club to move forward, but i hope that the ethical instincts of the board members that I know have over-ruled any purely commercial instincts on this occasion. That would be "the Boyce way". ,,10445~1397535,00.html Well Jon, do we know that the club has now taken over Boots? so what has changed that now you can get a pint at half time If you wish. If nothing has been done, then why was an inspection not done some time ago. I will not make any judgment just yet, but I too have heard from a mate of the landlord, that he was being forced out. It that turns out to be the case, then My view is, sorry board, the fact that you are fans of TUFC and have money, is not good enough If you have treated the landlord of Boots In a very poor way. If It is the case that because the club wanted something and did some deed that lacks any decency, then I question, Is this the sort Of people I want running my club. Like I say until we know all the facts we can't judge, all seems a bit fishy to me. |
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Post by bitemebryn on Sept 19, 2008 16:11:07 GMT
Maybe neither party were willing to do the leg work or pay for the inspection as I suppose both partys may have felt it was the others responsibilty. Now it all comes under the same umbrella so there was no issue.
Maybe it was a bit more sinister, who knows. Who'd want to run pub in the current climate anyway. Have you noticed the amount of closed or empty boozers in the town centres, let alone the more remote locals like Boots.
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Post by evertoned on Sept 19, 2008 18:46:13 GMT
it gets even more fishy who's inspected?  |
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Post by daveshaw on Sept 20, 2008 1:37:20 GMT
I don't think we should read too much into this or look for conspiracy theories. Business is business and all is fair. Our previous chairman was pretty shrewd when it came to cutting a deal and personally i'm not at all concerned about our current owners. Any extra revenue that comes into the club is welcome.
Actually, this takeover is probably a very good piece of forward planning. They will have a vacancy to manage it. I wonder if there is a sideways move on the cards. Could save on the payoff. Mind you he'd make the glass cleaner head chef!! (This is in no way meant to be taken seriously in case it upsets the Rosies)
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Post by Jon on Sept 20, 2008 17:42:16 GMT
I don't think we should read too much into this or look for conspiracy theories. Business is business and all is fair. Our previous chairman was pretty shrewd when it came to cutting a deal and personally i'm not at all concerned about our current owners. Any extra revenue that comes into the club is welcome. Strongly disagree with you there! It is possible to be a "hard" businessman whilst still being a "fair" businessmen. Quite a lot of very successful and very hard businessmen have a strong sense of decency. I don't know the exact details of what has gone on and I hope that the club has acted fairly. Maybe the lifting of the half time ban is purely coincidental. |
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Post by jamie on Sept 20, 2008 18:03:07 GMT
I always found it somewhat amusing to see that sad little "crocodile" wending it's drink dependent way towards Boots sometimes well before half time and therefore missing some of the action....................then they would return after the second half had started. If games were suddenly of 80 minutes duration, they would be looking for a discount Anyone who can't go a whole 90 odd minutes without a drink must have a problem! What nonsense Alan! Of course people can go 90 mins without a drink. But during an afternoon out with friends why not?? It doesn't mean they have a problem It is all part of the experience and most fans in the know will share the "getting them in" job so they only have to do it every now and again. |
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Post by Dave on Sept 20, 2008 19:56:25 GMT
I think we need to clarify a few things here. Jon nor I are saying that anything has been done, that Is improper. There has been words spoken, that suggest somethings have been done to make the landlord of Boots struggle to make a success of Boots.
This at a time when the club wanted to take Boots back over, If they have treated the landlord fairly and In a proper way, then that Is fine, what some are concerned about Is that It may not be the case, that he has been. In life there Is a decent way to go about things and the other way, where you push some aside in-order to get want you want.
I really hope the club as done it the decent way, I for one an totally against those who have no regards for others and who want to win at all costs, with no regards for those they may crush, just for their own greed.
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Post by daveshaw on Sept 21, 2008 3:07:10 GMT
Dave and Jon, you really are a lovely fluffy bunnies. It would be fantastic to believe life is fair and everyone is decent and the universe Karmicly (is that a word?) punishes those who take advantage. Anyone in business will tell you that it's dog eat dog. Play the decent card and some **** will shaft you. Obviously this doesn't include Banks, who can act like ****s and be bailed out by the govt.
TUFC is a business. The board have an obligation to not squander money unnecessarily. That includes getting the best deal possible regarding B&L. Also, they have to act when they see revenue streams drying up due to inept management. No bleeding hearts or liberal politically correct bollox. Just hard nosed business decisions.
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Post by merse on Sept 21, 2008 7:39:49 GMT
I agree to a degree Dave Shaw and we can draw solace that almost to a man our sizable board consist of people who are are responsible for (or still are) running their own businesses. However, we can also be comfortable in the fact that there is a high degree of integrity amongst that board and I know they wouldn't pull an unfair "stunt" on Neil Mills. It's the same integrity I expected them to show towards Paul Buckle when he needed support when people like you were screaming for his head just over a week ago! Can we not just let them get on with running the business of OUR club without getting too involved in the nuts and bolts - after all there may be something "in there" that Mr Mills doesn't want bandied about.
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Post by Dave on Sept 21, 2008 8:23:55 GMT
Dave Shaw while speaking with Jon at the game on Saturday, It was very clear, that Jon, like me, has values and principles that he lives by. Yes we know that there are those in business, that are cut throat and ruthless, who will wipe everyone and everything standing in their way, with on thought or care for any damage they do, to that person or the effects on their lives.
Not all are like that Dave, there are far more who do the right thing, treat people the right way and can sleep at night, without the need for Horlicks.Those that treat people the wrong way, often find what goes around can come around and I for one am always happy when by doing some dirty deed, they end up paying in the end.
Merse talks about the high degree of integrity of the board members and we would all hope that Is the case, the remarks made by Merse at the end of his post, It seems Is very common knowledge amongest the fans, many I over heard talking about It yesterday.
From what I was hearing, It seemed his problems were being blamed on the club, because they had effected his business, but I stress I do not know If any of that Is true.
I would like to know, what has changed, or who done any inspection, that now has allowed fans to use Boots at halftime. You must agree the timing seems very convenient and there should be some answers.
I know you disagree with me Merse about the club keeping everything(well nearly) from the fans, despite what you and someone else I spoke with on this issue think, I believe most fans are not happy that they hear so little from the club.
The problem then and always will be, that when people only hear one half Of a story, they only have that information to make any judgment. If one has nothing to hide, or Is not guilty of anything, Is it not better to put the record straight, why risk being judged in a bad light. The situation with Boots, Is hardly going to start a world war, so there Is no need for secrets, I would want to protect my high degree of integrity, so If I had done everything In a correct and proper way, I would want the world to know.
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I always found it somewhat amusing to see that sad little "crocodile" wending it's drink dependent way towards Boots sometimes well before half time and therefore missing some of the action....................then they would return after the second half had started.
