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Post by Rob on Sept 8, 2008 21:16:15 GMT
I am sure this has raised the interest of both Jim Harvey and Terry Brown to name but two.
I suspect, unlike the ludicrous "Robertson on the transfer list for a fee, but I still want him as part of my plans" charade, that clubs will be interested and the two will be on their way with some wage capacity freed.
Obviously Roscoe has featured a great deal, so it comes as some surprise. Though as a reaction to falling gates, it would make sense to put someone out there that people might be most likely to snap up. Brough has already attracted interest.
It's not as if anyone knows what Adams is about these days, for example.
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2008 21:20:42 GMT
I am sure this has raised the interest of both Jim Harvey and Terry Brown to name but two. I suspect, unlike the ludicrous "Robertson on the transfer list for a fee, but I still want him as part of my plans" charade, that clubs will be interested and the two will be on their way with some wage capacity freed. Obviously Roscoe has featured a great deal, so it comes as some surprise. Though as a reaction to falling gates, it would make sense to put someone out there that people might be most likely to snap up. Brough has already attracted interest. It's not as if anyone knows what Adams is about these days, for example. Rob mate, I can say now it has nothing to do with falling gates, or any need to reduce the wage bill. Trust me when I say it is in the very best interests, for the team and club. |
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Post by mickyflash on Sept 8, 2008 22:20:00 GMT
Well the amount of hypercritical comments I have read on the Internet (not necessarily here) baffles me sometimes. One minute Buckle has signed two many Mid fielders, our wage budget is being eaten up with all these players who are just here to pick up a wage packet, Buckle doesn't have a clue what hes doing and I am sure there are a few more ludicrous accusations that I have not bothered to memorize.
People have been crying out for change for weeks, (I am in no way saying that I am pleased with the way we have been playing) but as soon as OUR MANAGER does something to try and rectify the situation everyone starts jumping up and down at what a joke our club has become???
Unfortunately in some peoples eyes Bucks can not win no matter what he decided the way forward is.
The way I see it. The team is under performing. I was in no way jumping up and down at the three points gained after silsy penalty, because I didn't think the performance merited them. but thats the way football is, and the hardest thing to do in football is grind out victories when frankly you don't deserve them.
I am pleased that something has happened, because it shows that Buckle is not oblivious to the problems we can all see. I must admit I was a little bit worried with the constant great effort, character, training ground remarks that kept coming from bucks because to me it meant he didn't see that anything was wrong when clearly it was.
Brough was signed as a defender and after the newton abbot friendly it was apparent to all (including bucks) that that was a mistake, this is the core reason why the squad appears unbalanced, ALL managers will make mistakes in the transfer market and while I feel sorry for Brough because he hasn't really had a chance in his favored position Bucks has clearly seen in training that he is not good enough to get in to the side ahead of our current mid fielders. To me this decision makes sense.
Dsane has had his chance, to no effect, I think he has done the running up there fairly adequately but its short of form and confidence, therefore scuffed every shot he's had so far this season, His first touch has been awful, so once again I am pleased Bucks has seen all this and made his decision.
We have to remember that Buckle is OUR MANAGER and while things are not going to anybodies plans, nothing is going to improve unless we let him MANAGE.
I am not going to speculate about why the decision has been made because I do not know. but whether it is to cut the wage bill or to allow a loan player to come in surly it can only benefit the club and in my eyes shows that Paul Buckle certainly DOES know what he is doing.
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Post by atheringtongull on Sept 8, 2008 22:21:12 GMT
I only saw Brough play once in pre-season and that was in midfield. I thought he was one of the better acquisitions. Goodness knows why he hasn't been played there since.
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Post by jond on Sept 8, 2008 22:33:55 GMT
Am I right in saying that loans are permissable from Wednesday, ie, 9 days after the window closed? I think I read that somewhere.
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Post by tufc01 on Sept 8, 2008 22:36:28 GMT
I am sure this has raised the interest of both Jim Harvey and Terry Brown to name but two. I suspect, unlike the ludicrous "Robertson on the transfer list for a fee, but I still want him as part of my plans" charade, that clubs will be interested and the two will be on their way with some wage capacity freed. Obviously Roscoe has featured a great deal, so it comes as some surprise. Though as a reaction to falling gates, it would make sense to put someone out there that people might be most likely to snap up. Brough has already attracted interest. It's not as if anyone knows what Adams is about these days, for example. [glow=yellow,2,300]Rob mate, I can say now it has nothing to do with falling gates, or any need to reduce the wage bill. Trust me when I say it is in the very best interests, for the team and club[/glow]. The trouble with the 'cloak & dagger' stuff with sensitive information is that we all try and put 2 & 2 together and make 5, some will even make 55. For me it conjures up rumours of the departure of Constantine and that other big tall lad, who left under a cloud. Pray tell, PLEASE, give us a clue or else we will start thinking they were conjuring up an assassination attempt on PB  ?? |
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2008 22:38:52 GMT
Great post there Micky, I think you are after the best post of the week title again  |
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Post by jond on Sept 8, 2008 22:45:40 GMT
If there is some good explanation for jettisoning RDS and Brough then it is for the club to be more forthcoming and not for Dave to say, no matter where he received the information from.
Until then, cue wild speculation........
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Post by Rob on Sept 8, 2008 22:54:52 GMT
It is unusual for any Club not to give at least a line as to why two very recent signings are suddenly placed on the loan list. eg: to give Brough match experience or even something sufficiently cryptic that doesn't highlight who their targets actually are.
I agree that speculation over this move will occur in silence. So be it.
However, if no points are gained at Cambridge, this will turn the recent news on the official site, be it fair or not, into ingredients for greater criticism of the Club's hierarchy by many of it's decreasing number of paying customers. Unless the explanation is clear in upcoming events before Saturday.
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Post by merse on Sept 9, 2008 3:10:30 GMT
We have to remember that Buckle is OUR MANAGER and while things are not going to anybodies plans, nothing is going to improve unless we let him MANAGE. I am not going to speculate about why the decision has been made because I do not know. but whether it is to cut the wage bill or to allow a loan player to come in surly it can only benefit the club and in my eyes shows that Paul Buckle certainly DOES know what he is doing.  A common sense statement if ever I woke up to one and something I have been invoking increasing ridicule for saying for weeks. To say DaveR has had an overnight conversion of the Road to Damascus is perhaps a cheap shot.....................let's just acknowledge he is NOW party to a more expansive picture to what is in the Plainmoor background than he was over the past few weeks and I take it that there will be an end to his sincere but naive assertions of how the ground lays around Paul Buckle. Can we though establish something here?.....................that a signing of a player doesn't workout for any particular reason or another,doesn't necessarily mean that the manager "made a mistake" (it may mean the player made a mistake) rather that the player showed an inability to (maybe) to buy in to the work ethic/team spirit/fitness ethos of the incumbent squad. It may be that the player has tried his best but just not achieved the level to which he had previously performed - sometimes through no other reason than he has had to alter his style of play through losing a certain element of his "armoury" through failing fitness. There is not a manager in the game who can point to 100% success with 100% of his signings, there will always be an element of good fortune and good luck involved. There can be no assumption that anticipated new arrivals will "do the trick", only that they should and hopefully will. I stand by what I have been saying.................there is much to play for and much to lose. Three wins off the top and two defeats off the bottom - yes, the season is THAT young folks. We can see the team achieve the first IF we ALL support them and get off everybody's backs. We will witness the latter if the current clamour and growing dispersal of loyalty continues to undermine players' confidence, the manager's will to succeed and the director's ability to run a successful club. By all means make a statement like "that was my last game until Buckle goes" just stick to it and I hope Bucks stays around for another ten years! Being located in North Devon, Thailand or North London for that matter doesn't give one the right to play "The Old Soldier" and claim extra credence for their views. Neither however, does it mean that those views are any less pertinent; but it does lead one to ask whether or not there is any agenda behind "until he goes" or "he must go now"Let the manager get on and manage! |
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Post by crispygull on Sept 9, 2008 8:05:55 GMT
We have to remember that Buckle is OUR MANAGER and while things are not going to anybodies plans, nothing is going to improve unless we let him MANAGE. I am not going to speculate about why the decision has been made because I do not know. but whether it is to cut the wage bill or to allow a loan player to come in surly it can only benefit the club and in my eyes shows that Paul Buckle certainly DOES know what he is doing. A common sense statement if ever I woke up to one and something I have been invoking increasing ridicule for saying for weeks. To say DaveR has had an overnight conversion of the Road to Damascus is perhaps a cheap shot.....................let's just acknowledge he is NOW party to a more expansive picture to what is in the Plainmoor background than he was over the past few weeks and I take it that there will be an end to his sincere but naive assertions of how the ground lays around Paul Buckle. Can we though establish something here?.....................that a signing of a player doesn't workout for any particular reason or another,doesn't necessarily mean that the manager "made a mistake" (it may mean the player made a mistake) rather that the player showed an inability to (maybe) to buy in to the work ethic/team spirit/fitness ethos of the incumbent squad. It may be that the player has tried his best but just not achieved the level to which he had previously performed - sometimes through no other reason than he has had to alter his style of play through losing a certain element of his "armoury" through failing fitness. There is not a manager in the game who can point to 100% success with 100% of his signings, there will always be an element of good fortune and good luck involved. There can be no assumption that anticipated new arrivals will "do the trick", only that they should and hopefully will. I stand by what I have been saying.................there is much to play for and much to lose. Three wins off the top and two defeats off the bottom - yes, the season is THAT young folks. We can see the team achieve the first IF we ALL support them and get off everybody's backs. We will witness the latter if the current clamour and growing dispersal of loyalty continues to undermine players' confidence, the manager's will to succeed and the director's ability to run a successful club. By all means make a statement like "that was my last game until Buckle goes" just stick to it and I hope Bucks stays around for another ten years! Being located in North Devon, Thailand or North London for that matter doesn't give one the right to play "The Old Soldier" and claim extra credence for their views. Neither however, does it mean that those views are any less pertinent; but it does lead one to ask whether or not there is any agenda behind "until he goes" or "he must go now"Let the manager get on and manage! For me, the mistakes he has made have not necessarily been about the quality of the players he has signed though. In all honesty I havent seen enough of the players he signed in the summer to make a judgement - is Michael Brough a decent midfielder ? We may never know now. The mistakes made are quite simply that he didnt sign players to play in their specialist positions. Too many midfield players were signed - ok so Brough was perhaps supposed to be a Centre Half - but by all accounts he is really a midfield player. One of the most glaringly obvious positions that needed to be filled (or at the very least cover brought in) was at Right Back - we released Paul Hinshelwood (who was never really given a chance there) and yet he wasn't replaced in the summer. I imagine Buckle's thinking was that he had Mansell and Robertson who could play there, but in my opinion at least, both have their weaknesses, and both have cost us goals and points over the course of the last 12 months. He played Chris Robertson there - having missed out on recruiting the likes of Andy Lindegaard and Simon Travis to fill that position in the summer - but as we know, by Boxing Day he had lost faith with him and ended up playing Lee Mansell there - it now seems that following a poor performance by Manse in that position - he cost us a goal against Ebbsfleet - that Bucks now regards him as an integral part of his midfield again. You could are argue that that position has cost us quite a few points this season. Thompson was playing there when he got sent off after 10 minutes against Crawley, and was also in that position (or rather he wasnt) when Lee Steele was allowed to equalise on Sunday. We havent had a specialist Right Back in all the time that Bucks had been at the club - and it will be very interesting to see whether he brings one in now. |
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Post by jack on Sept 9, 2008 8:50:24 GMT
Merse - god help us if Buckle is here for another ten years. The signing of Brough reaches a new height of ineptitude I am afraid. Isn't it correct that the club that you mentioned was Forest Green Rovers who wanted to take him back before the transfer deadline? - Why the cloak and dagger stuff.
Buckle (and this was in his own words) signed Brough to play at centre half. I presume that you were not at the Torquay v Fgr match at Plainmoor when Brough was absolutely appalling playing at centre half.
Any manager signing a player on what he produced that day would really have to be quite insane. Brough played in that position in the second half against Tiverton and was again just as bad. If Buckle had wanted a centre half he might as well have signed Matt Villis - twice as good and twice as cheap no doubt.
This is not an attack on the player - he played in another friendly in a midfield position and looked a totally different proposition.
However we have had Hargreaves at centre half.Hodges and Brough against Crawley, with Thompson at right back. No wonder we lost.
We have so far beaten TWO bottom of the table sides this season. we were lucky to win both games.
At the Northwich game the manager was openly laughed at and derided by normally mild mannered suporters such is his ineptitude. Crowds of 1700, it would be obvious to a blind man that there are problems in the dressing room. Just take Mr Attitude, Danny Stevens demeanour as one example, and a manager who has completely lost his way.
We are a club in meltdown at the moment, stop trying to pretend otherwise.
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Post by midlandstufc on Sept 9, 2008 13:04:54 GMT
Whatever the machinations behind all this, I would like to endorse the loaning out of the two players.
Dsane - I like him, he's honest but the goals just haven't come. I've seen him panic in the six-yard box a couple of times now and Benyon (light-weight that he is) just wouldn't.
Brough - bit of a faux-pas there. In my imagination I have Buckle telling Lee pre-season - "Don't worry about centre-halves boss; Greavsie's getting on a bit, all players move back later in their careers, we'll put him there; then we can get rid of Woods and Robertson; also I've got this other player coming in, he's a midfielder but I saw him cover CB once, he'll do the job, two players for one boss!"
Anyway, then I wake up, I'm still a TUAFC fan, and it's still all a nightmare!
Can Tully come back please?
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Post by mickyflash on Sept 9, 2008 21:55:08 GMT
Can we though establish something here?.....................that a signing of a player doesn't workout for any particular reason or another,doesn't necessarily mean that the manager "made a mistake" (it may mean the player made a mistake) rather that the player showed an inability to (maybe) to buy in to the work ethic/team spirit/fitness ethos of the incumbent squad. It may be that the player has tried his best but just not achieved the level to which he had previously performed - sometimes through no other reason than he has had to alter his style of play through losing a certain element of his "armoury" through failing fitness. There is not a manager in the game who can point to 100% success with 100% of his signings, there will always be an element of good fortune and good luck involved. There can be no assumption that anticipated new arrivals will "do the trick", only that they should and hopefully will... While essentially we agree with other, I cannot buy into the notion that PB signing Brough was not his mistake. I think I have made it clear that my feet are still firmly in the Buckle camp but I do not agree with, and cannot accept the pretend 'everything is just fine and we will play our way out of this mess' messages that some have been preaching, including PB himself. yes, the players heart might not be in it, he may not be able to settle and I maybe able to overlook these things if that was the only problems caused by the signing. As I touched on previously the whole reason why it appears we have too many midfielders is because we are now counting Brough as one. Between this and PB believing Hargreaves can play at the back the whole dynamic of the squad has shifted and as neither gamble has paid off our defensive frailties have been highlighted at the end of the day if I employ anybody in the business I run, to do a job I expect them to be able handle and less than 3 months later I decide they are not good enough to for fill that role for whatever reason than that is MY mistake and not my employees. even if I decide they are not good enough for the role because they don't turn up or are high on drugs, it still my fault because I made that decision and I should of saw the prospective problems before handing them the job now of course we all make mistakes, as we both pointed out. they key to being a good manager in business or football is how you deal with the mistakes to rectify them, but first of all you have gotta man up hold your hands up and admit you have made them before any damage can be repaired. by putting Brough on the loan list I think this is what Buckle has done and as I said last night I think its a good move |
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Post by Dave on Sept 9, 2008 22:03:56 GMT
Micky, as you say we all make mistakes and maybe signing all the mid-field players has now been seen as one that now must be rectified.
I would be more than happy to let Brough go, If I felt we might then sign a proper right back. Its never to late to correct mistakes.
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A common sense statement if ever I woke up to one and something I have been invoking increasing ridicule for saying for weeks.