Dave
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2008 16:22:04 GMT
Roscoe Dsane and midfielder Michael Brough have been placed on emergency loan, they remain our players but are available to go out on loan to other clubs.
Any Ideas why?
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Post by witneygull on Sept 8, 2008 16:25:05 GMT
Freeing up wages can be the only reason can't it?
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Post by jonesy on Sept 8, 2008 16:31:42 GMT
Brough was the first summer signing by Buckle. He has been playd out of position in the 2 games he has played. He is a centre midfielder not a centre back. Brough and Dsane are in effective on the 'transfer list' becasue the manager would rather blame players than take responsibility himself. Remember Leroy doing something similar with Constantine in 2005-06. He went on to score bucket loads for Port Vale. What has Brough done wrong, apart from be played out of position? Paul Buckle has lost the support, the dressing room and the plot.
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Post by crispygull on Sept 8, 2008 16:39:37 GMT
I would imagine that either both players want out and/or we need to free up some wages in order that Paul Buckle can bring some replacements in. Certainly, in allowing Roscoe Dsane to leave, it would leave us short in the striking department with only three recognised ones (Sills, Benyon and Green) on our books. It is of course of less concern that we are prepared to let central midfielder Brough go (even though he was probably signed as a centre half) given our depth in that area.
Merse has already informed us that Buckle and North were watching a BSP South game last Tuesday, and he even hinted that it might have been the Dorchester game, who incidentally, or is it coincidentally, were at home to Team Bath that night - our friendly opponents on Wednesday. Could it be that Bucks is looking at a player, most probably a striker, from one of these two sides?
I cant believe that he would be happy to let Dsane go, unless he had a replacement lined up?
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2008 16:40:12 GMT
Freeing up wages can be the only reason can't it? If that was the case, could it be to bring in one or two players? say a proper right back, or maybe its because of the falling gates.
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Post by jimd on Sept 8, 2008 16:55:05 GMT
So Brough impressed Buckle so much a couple of months ago that he signed him and gave him a two year contract....and now he wants to shove him out on loan? Nothing makes any sense to me anymore.
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2008 16:59:47 GMT
Crispygull, I have felt that Desane has looked good in the games he has played, so I do find it strange he would be put on emergency loan. I do wonder seeing he left the ground when he was due to meet Ant, If he left a bit upset, that day.
He had played well during the first half of that game, only to be taken off, so maybe you are correct in thinking that he now wants out. I really hope there is not some problem in the dressing room, with the games coming up, we need our team to be together and working hard for each other and the manager.
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Post by bitemebryn on Sept 8, 2008 17:05:35 GMT
I think the treatment of Brough has been shocking. D'sane on the other hand has had 9 months to prove himself a striker worth his wages. He is nothing but a nearly man, very frustrating to watch and I am not sorry to hear that Buckle is prepared to let him move out on loan. Reuniting Sills and D'sane was a huge gamble which just hasn't worked out. I imagine D'sane's inclusion in the team so often may well have been a factor in the Phillips/Buckle fall out which so many seem to think happened.
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Post by Swanny on Sept 8, 2008 17:14:27 GMT
Personally I am pleased the club is taking some action as there is an awful lot to sort out !
Clearly Brough is not getting a look-in in central midfield like our other new central midfielders since Hargreaves and Mansell went back there which makes his signing look rather pointless. And like Thompson, it is clear it is a disaster waiting to happen if Brough plays in defence. Even if Brough goes we will still have too many midfielders with one or two sitting in the stands during matches !
As for Dsane, he has been a big let-down since he joined us last season. He just never looks like scoring whether it is down to poor control or feeble shooting. So I won't miss him in the slightest ! I personally think that Benyon has established himself as our top striker. At least he can finish and puts himself about in spite of his natural physical strength. I would still like to see more of Green, and see a partnership of either Benyon / Sills or Benyon / Green.
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Sept 8, 2008 18:01:07 GMT
I would imagine that either both players want out and/or we need to free up some wages in order that Paul Buckle can bring some replacements in. Certainly, in allowing Roscoe Dsane to leave, it would leave us short in the striking department with only three recognised ones (Sills, Benyon and Green) on our books. It is of course of less concern that we are prepared to let central midfielder Brough go (even though he was probably signed as a centre half) given our depth in that area. Merse has already informed us that Buckle and North were watching a BSP South game last Tuesday, and he even hinted that it might have been the Dorchester game, who incidentally, or is it coincidentally, were at home to Team Bath that night - our friendly opponents on Wednesday. Could it be that Bucks is looking at a player, most probably a striker, from one of these two sides? I cant believe that he would be happy to let Dsane go, unless he had a replacement lined up? This is a very interesting rumour and it seems to much of a cooincidence for us to be playing a side that they watched in the reserve game. I think it could well be a case of a couple of loans out and a couple others in. Of course, if we loan someone from Bath then it would, you would expect, be with a view to a permenent deal in January. I have to say though, I would be suprised if there were many takers for Brough!! It does rather so Buckle's ineptitude though, that he is looking to imediatley remove players he has either just signed (Brough) or resigned (Dsane). Having said this, you could say he is showing a desire to put things right and accept that he has made mistakes which takes a little bit of courage.
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Post by merse on Sept 8, 2008 18:01:51 GMT
Why do you always suspect "problems in the dressing room" Dave? Could it not be that the players made available are quite amenable to the offer to get a regular game somewhere as the manager obviously tries to consolidate things and begins to establish a settled side? I'll tell you now that Brough had an enquiry made for him on the eve of the transfer deadline, it was made known to him but both the player and the manager informed one another they both saw a future for him at Plainmoor. Now could that enquiring club come back in and the player agree to go there on loan for a while? If you knew who that club is (I do) you might be shocked, but they obviously rate him and who knows if he were to go there for a while he might decide he wants to head there permanently in the next transfer window....................though I doubt it. Dsane is obviously short of confidence and a spell at a lower level might just allow him to start hitting the net and then return, confidence in tact? It's almost certain now that the central defence will comprise any two from Todd, Woods, Robertson and Ellis for the foreseeable future. Likewise the two striking positions will go to either Sills, Green or Benyon with another possible loanee or out of contract striker to come in. Could that "loanee" come from the same club that takes Dsane in that we take a look at him between now and the January window, and Roscoe takes his place for that period? That we need a right back is well documented, so Brough going out could free up that place on the payroll. Think about it and think positive instead of looking for problems at every turn the manager takes!
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Post by bitemebryn on Sept 8, 2008 18:30:01 GMT
Dsane is obviously short of confidence and a spell at a lower level might just allow him to start hitting the net and then return, confidence in tact? Merse, Dsane has already dropped a level to play with us, I take it you feel he has potential, but how far must he drop down to show it? I personally feel he has never really lived up to expectations at Plainmoor and maybe a move full stop will reignite what ever flame he did have.
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Post by crispygull on Sept 8, 2008 18:45:33 GMT
Could it not just be a case of both players frustrated at the lack of first team opportunities here and wanting regular games elsewhere, probably with a view to a permanent exit ?
Lets face it, Brough has not had a look in, at least not in his preferred position and whilst Dsane has been given plenty of opportunities,although not always in his preferred position as a striker (at least not last season anyway), is it not a possibility that perhaps he was none too pleased at being left out of the squad yesterday - with a 16 year old trainee chosen ahead of him on the bench instead?
That said, apparently he (Dsane) has a groin injury ? Strange that, given that the recovery period is normally 2-3 weeks minimum, and yet now he appears fit and available to be loaned out? Something doesnt quite add up!
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2008 19:54:14 GMT
Merse I said I hope there is not some problem in the dressing room not that there was, but no wanting to go over all the Raynor and Phillips affairs again, I believe there has been some problems in the past. I also know a few players who have stated they are not happy and I still think Desane went home in a huff when he should have gone to see his sponsor TUAFC1.
I think If you had took the time to read all of my post, I said at the end that we need our team to be together and working hard for each other and the manager. I do not think that remark to be anything but positive, do you?
I speak on here as I feel at the time, I have not once said that Buckle should be sacked, yet first there was one and now a second, who want to highlight , what they consider are my negative posts on here. Forgetting to highlight all the positive ones I make.
It seem to me that there are some who would prefer I did not post, that I really should be making all members who join this forum, sign a form to agree to only post If the post supports everything the club and manager do.It will not happen each member on here has a right to air their own views and yes that includes me.
The answer is simple, sort out the problems, keep the fans happy and the posts will turn to ones of support, treat fans as fools and lose them at your peril.
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Post by tqriviera on Sept 8, 2008 20:34:06 GMT
The Dsane "issue" does indeed highlight one of the major problems - the at present total lack of communication between the Club and the supporters.
Of course most of the dirty linen should not be washed in public but please do not take the "whatsits" out of us and claim someone is injured and unable to play when he is patently not.
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