|
|
Post by jond on Sept 7, 2008 17:56:53 GMT
someone like you who'd be running and screaming in a panic not knowing what to do except quit or throw their rifle in the air.That's not rose tinting or being delusional, it's fighting with your backs against the wall.............if it got people out of trouble at Dunkirk The brave soldiers at Dunkirk were defeated calamitously due to poor preparation and leadership, then afterwards the whole debacle was dressed up by the same leaders as a magnificent performance.......sound familiar? |
|
tufc01
TFF member
Posts: 1,179
|
Post by tufc01 on Sept 7, 2008 18:11:47 GMT
I think that we now have to deal with the obvious. Buckle has to go now. We won FFS![glow=yellow,2,300] But how can we feel happy with that performance [/glow]against a team that has been tonked by pub teams. Enough, please enough, get this manager out. I'm interested to hear from the deluded sheep who will still back this idiot. Sean, what's your opinion? You've been quite vocal/aggressive in your support. Fair play to you, you've put your money where your mouth is. But even you can't be happy with that. From a commercial viewpoint do you think it was money well spent? I'm not sure where in the ground you watched it from, but from where i was standing the first half performance is what we have been after. I grant you the second half was not so good, well the first 15 minutes after half time was appalling, the other 30 minutes was just poor, but a lot of that was to do with Thompsons thoroughly inept performance at Right Back and us having to change to accommodate Woods injury. I feel pretty certain that had Woods stayed on (and i am NOT a big fan of Woods) then our second half performance would have matched the first half. Perhaps you had a better view than me, especially as you have been so quick to criticise. CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is good and we should all learn from this, but criticism because you have an agenda is not very helpful, or indeed worthy of listening to. There are those that only see the negative points, which just feeds their already blinkered view that the manager must go (a view that was made after barely 3 games of the season). You can not tell me that, from what you have seen today, that you can not take ANY positives out of the game??? I have to say i was very happy with the first half performance, maintaining that level would go some way to improving our results and climb up the table. Now we have to work on maintaining that for the whole 90 minutes, or 96 in todays case. Also, you say that they have been tonked by Pub teams, looking back through their results i dont see many tonkings that they have had this season. |
|
merse
TFF member
Posts: 2,684
|
Post by merse on Sept 7, 2008 18:26:02 GMT
I think that we now have to deal with the obvious. Buckle has to go now. We won FFS![glow=yellow,2,300] But how can we feel happy with that performance I'm not sure where in the ground you watched it from, but from where i was standing the first half performance is what we have been after. Perhaps you had a better view than me, especially as you have been so quick to criticise. CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is good and we should all learn from this, but criticism because you have an agenda is not very helpful, or indeed worthy of listening to.  Come clean Dave, were you at the game today or are you still in Thailand...................in fact have you seen any games this season? |
|
Dave
TFF member
Posts: 13,081
|
Post by Dave on Sept 7, 2008 18:28:27 GMT
tufc01 Dave Shaw lives in Thailand, so would have done well to have seen anything from there. ;D ;D
|
|
|
|
Post by Louise_M on Sept 7, 2008 19:42:53 GMT
I think we've got to accept that some people won't be happy while Buckle's in charge whether we win or lose. 3 points today could lead to that bit of confidence needed to get another 3 points, and another and another.
The decision on Paul Buckle's job relies on results as I've read countless amounts of times on this forum from people who havn't even seen the team play. If that is infact the case today was a GOOD day.
Bring on the next game and hopefully the supporters can once again get behind the team. Hopefully a bit of pressure has been lifted after today and the team can play without fear of making a mistake...which leads to them hearing the boos at Half/Full time
|
|
Dave
TFF member
Posts: 13,081
|
Post by Dave on Sept 7, 2008 19:58:47 GMT
Louise, If all true fans were to put their hands on the hearts, they would tell you, they would give any thing to see Paul turn things around.
Fans are bound to be upset, to see the team not playing well not getting results, yes I know we won today and one can only hope It will give every player and Paul a big lift, but you must understand Its because they love their club, that they are looking for answers.
|
|
|
|
Post by Louise_M on Sept 7, 2008 20:13:13 GMT
Careful Dave, you nearly ran the risk of sounded a bit patronising then.
And you say people are just looking for answers, the only questions I've seen repeated is 'when will Buckle be out'. I too have been very dissapointed with our run of results for the start of this season, but to basically say Paul has no clue what hes doing (whether that be tactical or the signing of new players) really is madness. You only have to look at what he did with the 3/4 player squad at the start of last season, he was responsible for the signing of almost 100% of players last season, and that is the case this season. The players obviously see something in him that made them want to leave their clubs for United.
But I'm sure the same people will seek to find the (unconstructive) negatives from every game this season, whether they go to watch, listen on the radio or just read what other people say. As I've said before, we wern't religated under PB and he is putting his all into getting us back in the league, anyone who's been to watch a game can see he has the same look of disapointment as the fans do when we don't get the results.
|
|
tufc01
TFF member
Posts: 1,179
|
Post by tufc01 on Sept 7, 2008 20:27:13 GMT
Louise, [glow=yellow,2,300]If all true fans were to put their hands on the hearts, they would tell you, they would give any thing to see Paul turn things around[/glow]. Dave, I'm not sure thats true. I don't think that all fans would give anything to see him turn things around. There are some out there that would rather we lost the next few games to see him go. They have ALREADY made up their minds, for some they would view us winning anything through gritted teeth. Actually Dave, you are right you said TRUE fans. |
|
|
|
Post by capitalgull on Sept 7, 2008 20:33:50 GMT
Please don't open up the staid old 'I am a better fan than you debate' - it's just not worth talking about!
|
|
Dave
TFF member
Posts: 13,081
|
Post by Dave on Sept 7, 2008 20:41:00 GMT
I will ignore your opening line Louise, not to sure why you would make such a remark, but will repeat that most fans would love to see Paul turn things around, but sadly they just don't think he will be able too.
I said in a post on here, that you could see the pain in his face, it hurts him as it hurts the players and fans. Sadly there is no sentiment in football and you are a very young fan. Many on here have been life long fans of the club, have spend so much money over the years.
They have enjoyed a few good times, but they will tell you how much disappointment they have had to live with and get over, to start yet another year of support for their club. Once again this season fans maybe got their expectations far to high and our start to the season, has left some already without hope.
I have said its still very early days, things can be turned around, but there will come a point if they don't that even those at the club, will have to consider Paul's position at the club. Its football, a sport based solely on results, get them and the fans will shout your name, fail to get them and they will call for your head. It will never be any different.
|
|
Dave
TFF member
Posts: 13,081
|
Post by Dave on Sept 7, 2008 20:55:28 GMT
Please don't open up the staid old 'I am a better fan than you debate' - it's just not worth talking about! Andy that was not where I was going, I have always said all fans are equal no matter if they get to more or less games than any other fan. The point being made was true fans would only want the club to do well and as Paul Is the manager, then they would want him to be the one to turn things around. No one really wants to see any one lose their job, but there is always a but, If things did not improve, then as Is the case at all clubs, heads would have to roll. |
|
jamie
TFF member
Posts: 354
|
Post by jamie on Sept 7, 2008 20:59:42 GMT
Today was always going to be a wierd one for me. A recent shocking family bereavment of a child is hardly good preperation for an enjoyable day out (to say the least)
I couldn't really have cared less about the game and had planned not to go but at the last minute I thought I coudn't bear another afternoon "thinking"
I agree with the doom mongerers, I thought it was a shocking display with the team not really knowing what they were supposed to do. There were so many times when the ball was won in mid field only to be hoofed up to no one (just like every other game recently).
Anyone who saw this game will know it was a get out of jail free card. Much as I hate to admit it I feel that we have just become clueless. Our style of play is predictable and even 3rd rate teams can expect to come to plainmoor and get a result. Something has to change and I am not convinced it will happen on it's own.
The only positive part of the whole day for me was the attitude of the young lady behind the shop/recep counter who was so helpful in arranging a shirt to be signed ready for me to give to a greiving 11 year old who has just lost his brother. Thank you if you are reading this.
|
|
|
|
Post by Louise_M on Sept 7, 2008 21:01:16 GMT
I know how fickle football is Dave, my age is neither here nor there. Please don't think I'm so naive to think Paul will keep his job just because his hearts in it and he's trying hard. I know in reality, like in any job, if the results don't come in questions will be asked and action will be taken whatever action that may be. I too have followed Torquay for aslong as I can remember and I don't think it's fair or relivant to bring my age into it as I also witnessed us being religated, and don't think I was any less dissapoint (or gutted) than a fan 50 years my senior. & as for the money paid into the club, if that means the older fans have more of a reason to be annoyed at whats happening than I do, you should probably think about what my family have put into this club this season. The last thing I want to do is be a marter about the money we've put into the club but I am merely replying to you're arguement of why I'm maybe missunderstanding what some fans are saying.
Maybe you should start a poll of how we can change things around or what the club can do to make half-time entertainment more...well entertaining!
My comments were more aimed at Dave S who continues to put down the hardwork thats happening at plainmoor when he hasn't attended a game in god knows how long and would like to hear some positives from him.
|
|
tufc01
TFF member
Posts: 1,179
|
Post by tufc01 on Sept 7, 2008 21:04:15 GMT
[glow=yellow,2,300]Please don't open up the staid old 'I am a better fan than you debate' [/glow]- it's just not worth talking about! Sorry if you interpreted that way, it wasn't what i was trying to say. I wasn't trying to infer that any fan is better than anyone else. The point i was trying to make is that there are some fans who have already made up their mind that Buckle should go, regardless of any results that may happen over the next few weeks. |
|
Dave
TFF member
Posts: 13,081
|
Post by Dave on Sept 7, 2008 21:17:41 GMT
Louise, I have already in the past started threads on here asking what can be done to improve the situation, I have made many posts asking what could be done to improve the Plainmoor experience.
I did not mean anything by referring to your age, I made a mistake doing that, I was trying to get across that so many on here have been lifelong fans and supporting TUFC has been painful for so many of those years.
So many disappointments, things always falling apart and going wrong, when it was in hands reach, that was all I meant, something you have not had, as you are such a young age.
To many fans going to football does break the bank, even more so in Torbay were wages are low, so over the years they have paid a lot of their earning into supporting the club.
The money put into the club by your family was appreciated by most fans, I do not think I have seen one post on here not singing the praises of Sean for the money he has put into the club.
|
|
Come clean Dave, were you at the game today or are you still in Thailand...................in fact have you seen any games this season?
