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Post by aussie on Sept 26, 2009 17:14:31 GMT
Well I hadn't meant to upset anyone's feelings so I apologise if I did, but I was trying to put over the point I feel that people are tending not to notice his deficiencies because their judgement is clouded by sympathy.....................sympathy will not address the problems caused by his constant errors. Apology accepted!
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Post by Dave on Sept 26, 2009 17:21:39 GMT
Well I hadn't meant to upset anyone's feelings so I apologise if I did, but I was trying to put over the point I feel that people are tending not to notice his deficiencies because their judgement is clouded by sympathy.....................sympathy will not address the problems caused by his constant errors. I can't go into details Merse, but Aussie feels a bit raw at this time due to learning someone close has been diagnosed with cancer. I understood more what you meant and as you know I have been saying for some time, Toddy has been pushing far to hard at times. I know only too well with Carol that there is a built in fear factor that makes them believe they can't stop and rest, in case it allows the illness to take over. I firmly believe that Toddy is in that mindset and it is understandable, but I don't think he has been picked out of sympathy, its more the case that we conceded today because of what has always been a weakness in his game. Lets hope Mansell is back on Tuesday, having him alone will allow Bucks to give Toddy a break and it won't do him any harm at all.
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Post by petef on Sept 26, 2009 17:50:32 GMT
As bad as it feels to be kicked in the nuts for the sixth time in a row I really must resist a knee jerk posting here so will try and be as reasonable as possible whilst, for what its worth, try to explain my thoughts and work out where we go from here. All the old frailties are once again fully exposed by another poor side who only had to put a little bit of pressure on our fragile defence for a few minutes in the second half, and after we gave them two quick goals, you just knew we would never get back into it. At this rate we are heading back from where we came and although I initially agreed with Bucks decision to give the promotion squad every chance to establish themselves I now think it has been a huge sentimental mistake. With the confidence of the squad visibly ebbing away as each week passes I don't believe he knows which players are worthy of a place as the rot is well and truly setting in. We have seen it so many times before and ruts like the one were in can have lasting season long damage. I am now deeply concerned that we will struggle down te bottom for the remainder of the season unless the manager can work some magic on a very limited squad as he now has very little room for manoeuvre. Very concerned.
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Post by merse on Sept 26, 2009 18:24:24 GMT
Listen to the manager on the BBC football site now and you will hear him describe the strikers we have as failing to score but that to get the quality of striker one needs at this level costs money we haven't got. He says he's happy to work on that basis, but I also feel the board and supporters need to appreciate the point and not go overboard in their criticism of the moving out of Green who had made his position here untenable. Green knew what he was doing, knew he wanted out, and knew what the outcome would be. Talented as he is, Mustapha has yet to show any degree of reliability in front of goal and once again today Benyon was described by a commentary pairing who do know what they're talking about; failing to display basic ball and possession retention skills that have blighted his game throughout his time with us. Sills is a huge strength as regards ball retention and the discipline required to get back at set pieces and do his stuff defensively, but we can all see how his dreadful lack of pace weakens his value in this league. Having said that, NONE of our strikers are hitting the target consistently and it is difficult to know where the manager can go from here save trying to pull rabbits out of hats with the type of loan that Danny Mills and the short term contrating of Marvin Williams represent. We badly and obviously lack pace with our wide players, yet the one we did have with pace could not produce the footballing consistency we need to cement our place in this higher division. The manager states that he feels that one elusive win will allow a team he feels is basically playing quite well on the whole to gain some confidence to go on and produce the sort of winning and unbeaten runs we have for the past two seasons. Summing up I would say the best way to achieve that win at the moment is to keep a clean sheet, and I know that is easier said than done, but it can only be achieved by being ruthless with the individuals who are gifting those goal scoring opportunities to some pretty mediocre opponents. Having some of the injured players back to full fitness willl strengthen his hand in this sense, and I only hope he can feel confident enough in their fitness to get both Charnock and Mansell back into the starting eleven on Tuesday.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Sept 26, 2009 18:31:55 GMT
I think "luck" is something that happens by accident / chance. Sadly there isn't anything that is happening by accident / chance or out of our control. It's of our own creation and limitations (some of our making, many are not) and the results of the last 7 matches are clear to see just as the results when we were doing things right were clear to see last season.
It has been highlighted that Todd isn't good enough for this level, I sadly agree - a great guy with a big heart but toblerone boots and a tendancy to drift-off on occaisions that unfortunately prove to be very costly. Players like Wroe, Nicholson and Thompson for instance (for they are not the only ones) served us well but I don't believe that they will be of the benefit to the team this season as they were last season. The amount of poor goals we have conceded are not down to poor luck (perhaps Nicho's OG was though!) and I don't feel that there is anything down to "chance" that we are playing in the manner that we are. Players were definately fit for purpose" in the BSP and we could get away with such a pedestrian team playing Alrincham, Lewes, Barrow, Northwich and Forest Green most of the time, but we are hopelessly exposed far too often against more competant, fitter, canny and organised league 2 clubs to be able to tip the balance in our favour.
I have no idea as to what the immediate future holds (unless someone can get Ian Atkins on the phone!) but I don't think that the club are in a position to make any significant changes to the coaching or playing staff even if we wanted to. It feels even worse watching us crumble on the playing front and plummeting to the bottom of the league after all the hard work that the club (and the playing/coaching set-up). At least when we went out of the league in 06/07 it was because our off-field activities brought about our on-pitch misfortunes and I didn't really give a toss about the people running the club and in some ways it made it easier knowing how they must have been hit by it as well. Not this time though. It's just so bloody hard to take that things look so bleak, even when I do remind myself that it's only football and it doesn't REALLY matter in the grand scheme of things (you only have to read some of the things that go-on in people's lives to remember that).
I haven't been to the match today but the performances that I have seen don't really feel like an improvement on those that we saw when we were relegated and going through spells of 5 or 6 matches (and more to be fair) of only gettting undone by the odd goal because of the odd mistake. I don't feel angry with Bucks - just totally deflated with things TUFC related at the moment.
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Post by Rob on Sept 26, 2009 18:45:24 GMT
There is only 1 team in this League that has scored more than us away from home. It is in defence that we have a problem and I was fairly annoyed when Buckle made the comment he did on Radio Devon. Mansell has been sorely missed and Charnock is nailed on to start once he is fully match fit. Todd has been shaky all season and needs resting/loaning out.
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Post by Dave on Sept 26, 2009 20:38:29 GMT
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Post by littgull on Sept 26, 2009 23:47:11 GMT
Went to the game today but due to other commitments have been unable to post until now.
As you may have gathered from radio Devon and .com report we were the better (out of 2 very poor teams) for an hour and then totally surrendered the initiative soon after taking the lead. We started lively and created a number of good chances in the first 15 minutes then remained clearly the better side (without playing particuarly well) for the rest of a very poor quality first half. Our goal early in the 2nd half was created initially by Sills winning a tackle on the left flank, he passed to Stevens who in turn found Benyon whose shot appeared to eventually cross the line in ultra slow motion. For 5 minutes after we scored we looked as if we could add to it but then Macc launched a couple of attacks and it was clear we were about to wobble. The error strewn Todd gifting them an equaliser.
From then on you just knew we would concede again and sure enough within 7 minutes failure to clear our lines gifted them the winner. My observations confirm that Todd yet again proved to be a liability and the continual playing Robbo out of position at right back is really p**sing me off. Ellis (despite a few miskicks) was my man of the match and I would pair him or Robbo at CB with Charnock (who is massively missed, as is Mansell) when fit. Paul Buckle’s biggest issue that needs resolving is to sort the full back positions out – this has been neglected for far too long! Priority must be to stabilise the defence and use that as a platform to restore much needed confidence.
There was no lack of effort today but the stark reality is that we lost to a very poor team by surrendering a lead that would easily have been held by a half decent defence.
Sadly, it looks very much like Sills will not be able to cut it at league 2 level. The 3 subs, young Mills, Williams and Thompson failed to make any positive impression following their introduction with about 20 minutes to go. Wroe appears totally shot of confidence and is failing to deliver in a playmaking role.
To rub it in I along with the other approx 150 Gulls fans was outraged at being ‘forced’ to pay £18 to sit in the seated area as this greedy little club decided not to open the away end terracing which was £14 admission (on a bright, warm afternoon!).
It will be heartbreaking if we drop back down to the BSPL after last season’s glorious success but at the present time it’s very hard to see where the next win will come from.
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Post by chelstongull on Sept 27, 2009 8:08:52 GMT
I see Matt Green scored for Oxford (again)
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Post by aussie on Sept 27, 2009 8:49:44 GMT
I see Matt Green scored for Oxford (again) That he might have done but remember he scored a goal in a shit league against a shit defence, mate I could that!
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Post by chelstongull on Sept 27, 2009 8:57:25 GMT
I see Matt Green scored for Oxford (again) That he might have done but remember he scored a goal in a shit league against a shit defence, mate I could that! A goal's a goal mate!!
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Post by chelstongull on Sept 27, 2009 9:11:11 GMT
Just seen the goals on the box.
Defending directed by Max Sennett.
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Post by merse on Sept 27, 2009 12:05:20 GMT
Just seen the goals on the box. Defending directed by Max Sennett. I hope you're including the one Macca' gifted us as well in that Phil.......................that defender who gave the ball up to Sillsy wants burning at the stake for that rubbish lack of commitment and weakness of application. Todd's comedy capers apart, Wroes's "After You Claude" attitude for the second goal when the "move" begins is indicative of his lack of toughness, mobility and weight of tackle...................something that is recurring with alarming regularity this season.
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Post by Enzo on Sept 27, 2009 13:07:53 GMT
This was a game that was there for the taking. No lack of effort by most of he players, just a chronic lack of confidence, probably on-set by a chronic lack of ability in some cases. Both sides were bereft of any kind of cohesion and appeared nervy. The result for much of the first half was hoofed balls up to forwards who lacked the first touch or strength to retain possession. That said, we did create a couple of decent chances - Benyon wasted one particular chance Stevens also hesitated and another went begging. If these players are to justify their place in the side they need to convert these chances. The odd moment of dopey defending gave Mac a chance or two, but, in general we seemed to be comfortable in a very dull contest devoid of any real class.
A dream start to the second half saw Sills pressure a defender into error and Stevens put Benyon in with a neat through ball. Benyon tried his best to miss, but fortunately for us the ball dribbled over the line. For a minute or two after the goal it looked like the confidence had returned and it actually crossed my mind that we could stretch our lead. Normally in a game of two such hesitant sides the first goal is crucual......however, we though any advantage away by comical defending - comical defending that has been present all season. There may have been a hint of a foul on Ellis in the build up, but Toddy had a shocker for the equaliser. How many times does it have to happen before Buckle does something about it? The combination of Todd in the centre and robertson like a fish out of water at right back does not work and we are giving away goal after goal and free kick after free kick because of this. The second goal was equall gifted to the ome side and from that point the result was never really in doubt, but for a later Sills header tipped over the bar.
PB has put this result down to 7 minutes of madness. This is glossing over massive problems. Once behind, we never looked like getting back into the game and offered nothing in the way of creation. If anything, Macclesfield looked more likely to extend their lead. Of the three subs only Thommo made an impression. He has got to be worth a start now. Williams on for Stevens changed nothing. A strange signing on this performance. I'm not going to critisise an 18 year old player just starting out out in the game.........so I have nothing to say about Mills. Suffice to say, on this performance he is not what is required and his signing demonstrates how desperate Buckle is. Does he have any contacts in the game other than Uncle Barry? Hopefully, this was not a true impression of his talent. I'd rather someone with a bit of league experience myself on this performance. The only players that should come out of yesterday with any credit are Ellis, who was pretty sound and Hargreaves, who I thought was excellent and looked gutted at the end. I have doubted his ability at this level, but yesterday he put in a great shift.
Our problems this season stem form Buckle's failure to improve the squad. In fact it is weaker than last year. The starting 11 yesterday were all last seasons players - some of whom were deemed not good enough to get a regular place in the Conference - how on earth are we expected to compete at a higher level. Any player with pace has been shipped out and Buckle has lost faith in players that he signed on in the Summer - Rendell started as a first choice striker........now he must be fourth or fifth choice. This season was not the time to spend any of the wage bill on talent that needs nurturing for the future - wht a waste of time the signing of Joyce has been. Use what limited resources we have on players who are going to improve the starting 11 for christ sake. Same can be said for Mills. It is going to take the lad two of the three months loan to get used to here.
Whether the club is more professional or not matters little when the performance and results on the pitch are the same. I'm sure I'll feel a lot better if we get relegated because this time we have a full time coach, goal keeping coach, fitness person and a well paid chief exec. Great!
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Sept 27, 2009 13:55:26 GMT
I don't doubt that he felt like a strange signing on the performance yesterday if it was anything like his (left-wing!!) appearance against Grimsby last week. It's been a disappointing start, but perhaps it's hardly surprising given the performances of his new team mates. Given the fantastic performance that he made for us just over two years ago against Wycombe and the fact that he appeared in a significant number of matches on the way to a promotion winning team only last season I was delighted when he signed. I thought he would be at least one player who could make an impact on the first team that had been signed.
It seems that we have a player that has taken a few steps back from his time as a "hot prospect" at Millwall a few years ago. Sometimes a player has to step down and build back up to the level that they would expect to be with their ability. It's early days yet and I am hopeful that he can be an asset for us.
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