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Post by Dave on Sept 22, 2009 15:46:31 GMT
If ever there was a time to stop a very poor run of form, then this must be it, we really can’t afford to lose six league games on the trot, as we may just find we might slip into a relegation spot.
I hope both Mansell and Charnock come through the Tiverton game OK and came then return to first team action for this game. Ellis must surely start, but as Hodges looks likely to play at left back instead of the injured Nico, it would mean both Robertson and Todd starting from the bench.
But I think it’s more likely that Bucks will start with Ellis and Robertson and have Charnock on the bench, unless he feels he will give him the start and see how he gets on.
I firmly believe Bucks should play Danny Mills from the start, lets see if he has anything to offer and if not then maybe send him back as we really need players here who can help turn our season around. Who to play with him up front would be anyone’s guess, but maybe Benyon has he has that bit more extra pace.
Will Wroe be dropped? I have a feeling he won’t and Bucks may well start him and Hargreaves together again in midfield, I would like to see Adams giving a chance, but can’t see that happening.
If Mansell does start, it will leave Carlisle to start on the right wing where he has been playing so well this season and Stevens has to be the choice on the left wing over Williams, who sadly really disappointed me in the Grimsby game.
A win would be fantastic, but I know we will all settle for a draw, just to bring an end to this losing streak. The players really need to show much more fight and togetherness, it was missing in bucket loads in our last game.
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Post by chelstongull on Sept 22, 2009 16:27:06 GMT
If ever there was a time to stop a very poor run of form, then this must be it, we really can’t afford to lose six league games on the trot, as we may just find we might slip into a relegation spot. If we do lose, we will be!!
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Post by merse on Sept 22, 2009 19:09:28 GMT
I firmly believe Bucks should play Danny Mills from the start, lets see if he has anything to offer and if not then maybe send him back as we really need players here who can help turn our season around. How can you make such a sweeping statement without any first hand knowlege of the player's ability? How can you talk about "sending him back" when he has just arrived on a three month deal and has barely met the rest of the squad let alone played any football? How can you suggest OUR club loses it's integrity within the professional game by acting in such an unprofessional manner and without showing any responsibility towards a young professional? What do you think such an action would do to the club's and manager's standing in the eyes of his fellow managers and coaches? A silly and knee jerk statement if ever I heard one!
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Post by Dave on Sept 22, 2009 19:53:59 GMT
We have sent back players before who came on loan, so its nothing we have not done before. We were unable to take Williams off at our last game as the only player who could have replaced him was out on loan to make way for Mills.
We are not some nursery club for young hopefuls from bigger clubs, but we are a club in 22nd place and really only need players coming in who can do the job we need them to do.If Mills can't be played in games like Grimsby(Bucks words) then just what sort of games can he be played in? We do not need bench warmers, but players who can turn our season around.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2009 20:02:46 GMT
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Sept 22, 2009 20:18:30 GMT
I must say Alpine, you have a wonderful vein of wit running through you this week ;D
The point is this, If Mills starts and does well, all well and good, if he can't hack playing in this league, then Bucks won't pick him again anyway. If then he does not get any football, both he and Posh would rather have him playing in their reserves and he will get called back anyway.
We are a pro club who has worked hard to get back into the football league, we need players who can keep us there, if we were to go back down Merse, I bet you would change your tune and be saying it was because we did not have the experienced players we should have had.
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Post by merse on Sept 23, 2009 2:46:21 GMT
We are not some nursery club for young hopefuls from bigger clubs, but we are a club in 22nd place and really only need players coming in who can do the job we need them to do .If Mills can't be played in games like Grimsby(Bucks words) then just what sort of games can he be played in? Only a dreamer would have anticipated a player who had only a couple of training sessions (and one of those a "Friday warm down") to get to know his team mates moves, strengths and weaknesses to be used from the off. Maybe if the score had gone in our favour in the second half you would have seen him allowed to make a contribution, but as two of the substitutions had already been forced on the manager this clearly wasn't going to happen last Saturday. You say we are not some "nursery club", but finance dictates that in this day and age small clubs like ourselves, Hereford, Aldershot, Lincoln (I could go on and on) depend heavily on the loan system to provide their managers with "numbers" to work with and enables "developing players" to move out of their parent clubs where they are not yet ready for First Team exposure, to get the next stage of their football education under their belt. You've been going to football long enough Dave to watch this evolve from the days of Frank O'Farrell pioneering it in the form of signing young guns like Bill Kitchener, Bob Glozier and others even before there was a formal loan system and then keeping to a gentleman's agreement to send them back to their parent club later. Even the legendary Don Mills originally came to Plainmoor in that fashion on a "health improvement programme" when QPR (I think it was) arranged for him to come and live in the fresh sea air as an antidote to his chronic acne affliction, well before he eventually joined us on a permanent basis from Leeds United a few years later. Describing an eighteen year old who has just been purchased for well in excess of one hundred thousand pounds by a smaller than average sized Championship club as a "young hopeful" is a bit imaginative if I might say so and if the person who sanctioned such a considerable investment for a club of that size were to read that I think they would be somewhat preturbed. There is a marked difference between young players like the Posh pair who are obviously upwardly mobile and one who is clearly not of the standard of the club loaning him out or releasing him (like Williams?)and therefore looking to establish himself lower down the ladder. The Jelly's Diary has TWO new entries this week!
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Post by merse on Sept 23, 2009 2:54:06 GMT
Looks like one of the legendary "No SatNav Me, Dave" (of The Captain's Blog fame) on one of his "diversions" to me. That's definitely Granada in Spain in the back ground isn't it Joe? Either the guy can't spell and is using a SatNav for the first time or he got thrown by the sight of the Alhambra in Bradford the other week! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2009 6:55:01 GMT
If Mills can't be played in games like Grimsby(Bucks words) then just what sort of games can he be played in? What were Buck's precise words? The only ones I can find are from Monday's Herald: "I didn't think it was the right situation to put a young lad like him (18) on (on Saturday)." I read that as saying it wasn't appropriate to send Mills on as the third substitute in the context of the game.
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Post by aussie on Sept 23, 2009 9:14:01 GMT
I read somewhere that he only went for £50,000 just like his best mate and the both of them were moved for £100,000. We need players to do a job for the club not the club doing a job for them, so what if there only 18 if they can`t handle the work they`re in then change jobs and get out of football, I would have loved the chance these lads get when I was their age, we need to protect younger players to a certian degree but wrapping them up in cotton wool to protect them is a bit too much for me to get my head around, they`re young adults not toddlers, exactly when do you blood them, when they are 25, get them out there on the pitch have a look at them and decide if they have whats required to work with if they haven`t got it then get rid of them, a normal employer doesn`t hire a tradesman who can`t do his job and then pays him for doing nothing, he might bring in an apprentice to train up but the apprentice will NOT be on proper money, no where near it, I believe these lads on trail get paid very handsomely so therefore should be able to do the job they are paid to do!
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Post by petef on Sept 24, 2009 9:03:25 GMT
With the return of Mansell and Charnock there will at least be some optimism that we can end this run of five defeats. Lose again against what is deemed a poor side and the knives will be out big time. Crucial this one and we will have to wait and see if Bucks has the skills to re-motivate our confidence drained squad. No doubt Mans will be committed as always and Buckle has always managed injured players well bu those lingering thoughts that if he does get injured again with no adequate cover will return to haunt him. Low score draw on the cards for me.
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Post by Rob on Sept 25, 2009 17:54:00 GMT
Poke
Robertson Todd Charnock Hodges
Carlisle Wroe Hargreaves Stevens
Thompson
Sills
That'll be the team. And Macclesfield will equalise in the 90th minute. 1-1
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Post by chesneygull on Sept 25, 2009 21:00:14 GMT
Rob
That's pretty much the team I would expect to see.
My personal choice would be Charnock instead of Hodges at left-back and for Ellis to retain his place at CB.
This is the system that Buckle went for at Cambridge least year when we had had a similar run of results.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Sept 25, 2009 21:34:24 GMT
I will be listening on the radio and giving my views based only on how its made to sound, I was hoping to go and watch Buckland play, but it seems so often when we are away, so are they.
If you are going to the game then please can you put up a match report if possible, firstly it helps to really get a better feeling how we played, and secondly we need some reports to put in next Saturdays programme and the deadline for that is next Tuesday.
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Post by merse on Sept 26, 2009 11:10:55 GMT
Chris Hayes won't be reporting from Macca' today as he's draishin' about in the Pyrenees right now with his trusty camera but less than reliable BMW.....................I think he's looking to meet the Alpaca of his dreams, one with whom he can swan off into the sunset and live with forever in everlasting bliss. It's either that or the silly bugger went to Lourdes hoping to watch some cricket Mind you if he discovers a branch of TK Maxx down there I might be tempted to join him! Try and get him to post the link to his excellent blog "Basque Country Or Bust" I'd do it myself, but maybe he doesn't want it on "general release" so to speak. It certainly inspired me to bang out another before dawn entry in my own blog "The Jelly's Diary" (shameless plug!) earlier this week. In case you missed that you can access it by clicking on the link shown at the bottom of all my posts
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