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Post by atheringtongull on Sept 6, 2008 15:49:15 GMT
I don't want to get into a slanging match with Merse, but the last time I went to London was over 30 years ago and the first thing that hit me as I walked up the slope out of Paddington Station was the smell of traffic fumes. And you have to be a bit careful what you say these days, but I did wonder if I had been transported to a foreign country.
Down here in devon as Dave R says we are mostly an honest trustworthy lot. We do a hard days' graft and expect others to do the same. When I see a bunch of so-called professional sportsmen not doing what they are paid to do, (and let's not forget even at lowly Torquay United many of them are being paid in a week what a lot of us get in a month), if I think they haven't earned their money I'll let them know, not sing their praises and tell them they haven't done very well today, but never mind perhaps they'll do a bit better next time and give them a pat on the back. I came on to this forum to get away from the stupid, inane and positively ascerbic statements made there, only to find people like Merse on it!!
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Post by Dave on Sept 6, 2008 16:26:55 GMT
I wondered how long It would take you Merse, to start insulting the good folk of Devon.  It's the negativity, pessimism, criticism and all the other "isms" that get on my tits.
The cliff face fell down, we've got a balloon, we've got to pay to park, we've got a mayor (that WE elected); oh what a life. ;D Dear me to try and prove your point about Devon folk, you really are digging the bottom of the barrow, I will answer you points one at a time. Our cliff face did not fall down, RockWalk was a very beautiful and wonderful place, with a magic all of its own. Loved by all locals and every single visitor to ever come to our Bay. A place that was even more magic at night, with its lights and millions have taken a romantic walk alone its paths at night. Yes some fool thought It a good Idea to clear the whole rock face of all its trees and vegetation, when anyone with an once of common sense would know it was the very vegetation, that binded the whole cliff face together. Then without the vegetation to absorb all the rainwater, it then soaked into the rocks and, guess what we then had rockfalls.Ask any local or holiday maker, what they think of our now fenced off Rockwalk, let me tell you Its a bloody mess and disgrace and someone should have been shot for the damage they have caused. You will also be hard pressed to find anyone who likes the balloon on the seafront. In a word its big and ugly and Is a major blot on our seafront. Have a balloon by all means, but not there.It has not had a great deal of use, because it can't go up in winds over 13 mph, well did some fool not know you get sea breezes on a seafront. The reason we object to the balloon, Is that the land it is on,was given to the people of Torbay by the Cary family. It has covenants on the land, to prevent such things being put there, our Italian Garden's were ruined to put this thing there. Our Mayor, found the Cary Estate would not give permission for the balloon to be put there, after offering, what can only be described as bribes, that failed, he just put it there anyway. It is not about moaning, its about caring what happens where you live, about protecting what needs to be protected, to ensure the Bay does not get ruined, by those who come in the name of progress. I think Its good that people like me are vocal in Torbay, If not those in power will continue to think they can just do what ever they want and as a football club belongs to its fans, Torbay belongs to its people. I for one support a new road being built into Torbay, it will not bring all those big jobs people say it will, but I have to use it everyday and I get fed up in the ques, as after a hard days work, I just want to get home. Its a fact of live that Torbay can offer very little to big manufacturing company's, they will always locate, to places where the transport links will be better, even with a new bypass, you will still struggle to get to most industrial estates. NCP are destroying our holiday trade, it is a fact that it has nothing to do with congestion, only making money. People now leave the Bay with a very bad taste in their mouth, never to return, so what good does that do, to a holiday resort. You really need to understand, we live here because we like the life we have here, I would never want to live in a City, I have the sea five mins away and the Moors only 20 mins away. I will fight and moan and moan some more to try and keep the place I live, the very beautiful place it is. Yes we have a Mayor, something we voted for, to make the change needed we thought, to get Torbay smartened up and make It look proud again. Sadly we got a fool, who has visions, that will only ever do more harm than good, so you see Merse, its because we care, we will air our views. If that gets on your TIT's then sorry I really don't give a s**t  |
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Post by merse on Sept 6, 2008 17:16:54 GMT
I don't give a shit about parish the pump politics of a seaside town. My football club is unfortunate enough to be ensconced in it, how I wish it was in the town of my birth Newton Abbot where much of it's fan base lives - still we live in hope don't we. Some bugger nicked my bike the other week, another backed into my favourite holly bush and killed it (my God Christmases will never be the same again  ) but I don't go on and on as if it's the biggest disaster this side of women getting the vote do I?...................and you want to be careful about those "Italian" gardens, folk will think they're in a foreign country...............and what about Macaris and Pelosi's Ice Cream Emporium - not exactly Mrs Miggins Debn Cream Teas is it!s Do you know we have an "Emission Zone" set in place in London? I hope so, because if you bring your polluting charabanc up without a certificate of suitability you'll get nicked and fined a grand. I think the nasty smell you experienced at Paddington would have more to do with those dirty old First Great Western diesels.................when are you going to electrify the line to Devon so you don't dump all that dirty stuff all over Ealing and Acton on the way in? You wouldn't want to be making fellow Devonians Ealinggull and Chris Hayes ill would you!
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Post by bitemebryn on Sept 6, 2008 17:27:22 GMT
I don't give a shit about parish the pump politics of a seaside town. My football club is unfortunate enough to be ensconced in it, how I wish it was in the town of my birth Newton Abbot where much of it's fan base lives - still we live in hope don't we. Some bugger nicked my bike the other week, another backed into my favourite holly bush and killed it (my God Christmases will never be the same again ) but I don't go on and on as if it's the biggest disaster this side of women getting the vote do I?...................and you want to be careful about those "Italian" gardens, folk will think they're in a foreign country...............and what about Macaris and Pelosi's Ice Cream Emporium - not exactly Mrs Miggins Debn Cream Teas is it!s Do you know we have an "Emission Zone" set in place in London? I hope so, because if you bring your polluting charabanc up without a certificate of suitability you'll get nicked and fined a grand. I think the nasty smell you experienced at Paddington would have more to do with those dirty old First Great Western diesels.................when are you going to electrify the line to Devon so you don't dump all that dirty stuff all over Ealing and Acton on the way in? You wouldn't want to be making fellow Devonians Ealinggull and Chris Hayes ill would you!
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Post by rivieralou on Sept 6, 2008 18:47:21 GMT
As I am new to this forum I would like to ask "Who is this person Merse" who seems to sit in an ivory tower in London and spends most of his time criticising us fans who aren't happy with the way things are going? I am a person who if I see a difficult situation (and I've seen many in my life) opts to analyse what CAN be done rather than what CAN'T be done. I am a person who opted to move away from the negative, half empty attitude and hyper critical attitudes in South Devon. I am a person who chooses to always look forward for potential and positives rather than bellyache about what has gone wrong and the only time you will find me choosing to acknowledge past failure is when I see people hankering after a return to a policy that has ultimately resulted in failure before. I don't make unrealistic demands of people to produce beyond their capabilities and am prepared to accept that if I am not satisfied with what I am paying for then I need to question just what I expect to get for my investment anyway. In simplistic terms, if you're happy to win a tenner for your tenner; back an even priced favourite. If you want a ton for your outlay, and put yer money on a 10/1 outsider; but if you're a really big boy be brave enough to put a ton at evens and back your judgement. Nothing will be achieved through moaning and groaning, barracking and booing. Yes, you have the right to do that but you are only making the situation worse. If you choose to stay away, fine - I've done the same, especially living where I do I'm not prepared to come all the way down to Plainmoor and come home grumpy about it. But I don't expect a p at on the back for it, nor would I encourage others to do the same and thus compound the club's problems. To a certain extent Plainmoor's often a better experience with a small loyal crowd than one bolstered by miserable feckers booing and the moaning and groaning of people with no more respect for someone with a different point of view then to refer to them as "the likes of......" or "this - person"Clubs that achieve and do well are clubs that encourage consistency and show commitment to management and staff that they have chosen to employ. Clubs that are allowed to do just that by a loyal and intelligent set of supporters will do much better than clubs who change managers every season or two, or bow to the "mob mentality" as Bateson did during his time in charge. We now have an intelligent and football sensitive board of directors running OUR club, I suggest we would all be better served by not putting them under undue pressure by constantly harassing their chosen young manager and thereby bringing a return to the shameful day when Don O' Riordon was effectively thrown to the mob by a shamefully disrespectful chairman. Very well put Merse, excellent post!! Especially the last three paragraphs! |
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Post by merse on Sept 6, 2008 18:59:34 GMT
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what the fek has any of that got to do with "pure football" Hey, just watch the football....................oh you ARE watching the football ;D I've got a new song for that stupid England band: "Torquay...........it's just like watching Tor-quay" ................and listening to that crowd it's just like being at Plainmoor!  |
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Post by jimd on Sept 6, 2008 19:04:28 GMT
I don't give a shit about parish the pump politics of a seaside town. My football club is unfortunate enough to be ensconced in it,[glow=red,2,300] how I wish it was in the town of my birth Newton Abbot where much of it's fan base lives - [/glow]still we live in hope don't we. Some bugger nicked my bike the other week, another backed into my favourite holly bush and killed it (my God Christmases will never be the same again ) but I don't go on and on as if it's the biggest disaster this side of women getting the vote do I?...................and you want to be careful about those "Italian" gardens, folk will think they're in a foreign country...............and what about Macaris and Pelosi's Ice Cream Emporium - not exactly Mrs Miggins Debn Cream Teas is it!s Do you know we have an "Emission Zone" set in place in London? I hope so, because if you bring your polluting charabanc up without a certificate of suitability you'll get nicked and fined a grand. I think the nasty smell you experienced at Paddington would have more to do with those dirty old First Great Western diesels.................when are you going to electrify the line to Devon so you don't dump all that dirty stuff all over Ealing and Acton on the way in? You wouldn't want to be making fellow Devonians Ealinggull and Chris Hayes ill would you! Why would we want OUR club in that dump? Couldnt give a toss about your holly bush either but rock walk has been ruined. |
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Post by Dave on Sept 6, 2008 20:05:09 GMT
We can argue to the cows come home about just what we think pure football is, but we are over looking something, also very important. You see, as soon as anyone seems to be moaning, or is not saying anything positive, some feel the need to jump on their backs.
I was always told that when a couple no longer argue, Its because they no longer care, now I must confess as hard as it may seem to believe, but me and my Carol have never once argued. The same could not be said for the first wife, but in the end it got to a point where I did not care and would just shut up and walk away.
The only reason I mention that is, at least those that are moaning are doing so because they still really care, they feel great disappointment and that is how they show it.We have all come across the serial moaner, who will never have anything positive to say and often seem they want the team to lose, just to get another moan out.
Its the same about Buckle, I do not believe anyone really wants to see him sacked by the club, I'm sure everyone prays and hopes he can get the team into a winning mode again. The problem for some Is they have seen some failings and Buckle will always be first in line to take any blame that is going.
So before we the fans fall out with each other, let us not forget that we are fans of the same club and only want the same things really, we just all go about things in a different way.I hope tomorrow we not only get the result, but we play some good football that will also entertain the fans. Mind you just to get the three points, will be the most important thing that needs to happen.
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Post by witneygull on Sept 7, 2008 16:22:09 GMT
Criticising a manager is easy, being a manager is certainly not. Funny, I could have sworn that in the last 3 years you have consistently ripped into Leroy and his abilities. How come it was alright for Mr Random-Bold to do that, but not for anyone else to criticise the Buckle Brothers? |
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Post by merse on Sept 7, 2008 16:38:04 GMT
Funny, I could have sworn that in the last 3 years you have consistently ripped into Leroy and his abilities. How come it was alright for Mr Random-Bold to do that, but not for anyone else to criticise the Buckle Brothers? Listen pal, you've obviously got a problem differentiating between someone who opts to move 90 miles out of town so his wife can go to uni, then hares out of training like a dog out of trap one to be home in time to feed the baby.; and one who does the job properly 24/7 turning up at places like Dorchester on a Tuesday evening on club business in preference to moon lighting a hundred miles in the other direction for extra bucks on the Beeb when my opponents of the end of the week are playing in their home town. In my book, one ways called taking the piss, the other is total commitment! |
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Post by witneygull on Sept 7, 2008 16:41:16 GMT
Yeah, but it's not easy either way, huh!
What would you rather have, Alex Ferguson commuting from Glasgow for a few days a week, or Cornforth (and dog) sleeping in the dugout?!
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Post by Dave on Sept 7, 2008 18:12:58 GMT
I seem to remember Merse that when Leroy first move back to Bristol, I was very vocal elsewhere about him doing so. While I'm not able to check and confirm this, I would put money on it you defended him moving. Pretty sure you said It would make no difference.
The main point here is,you can't go on a paddy with those feel they have reason to criticise Buckle, when you often went well over the top near the end of Leroy's rein at Plainmoor.As I have said before he gave us one of the best seasons we have had, played good attractive football and as a result we went up.
I still firmly believe, that if he had been given just half of what Buckle has had to play with, we would have stayed in Div one.He did not and before you start saying if he was so good why is he not in management now, I would say why would he want all that goes with the job, when he now doe OK earning money out of football in other ways.
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Post by merse on Sept 7, 2008 18:21:50 GMT
I seem to remember Merse that when Leroy first move back to Bristol, I was very vocal elsewhere about him doing so. While I'm not able to check and confirm this, I would put money on it you defended him moving. Pretty sure you said It would make no difference. Then you'd lose it Dave, I thought then and I still think it summed up the Mickey Mouse Regime we had become! |
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Post by witneygull on Sept 7, 2008 18:24:24 GMT
Mickey mouse football league club or an flirting with relegation Conference club....what would you really prefer?
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Post by merse on Sept 7, 2008 18:51:09 GMT
Mickey mouse football league club or an flirting with relegation Conference club....what would you really prefer? Absolutely the latter......................being the former there was only one inevitable outcome (and we got it) it used to sicken me when I went to games at Dagenham & Redbridge and saw how much more professional they were than us. I was desolate having seen how Yeovil Town approached the game and hearing how they thought of us as some sort of joke club in a sleepy seaside town. Alright, we've struggled in the first four weeks of a season. Be a big boy and get over it instead of pining for the return of someone who regarded you as a "Dickhead" and used the club as an extension of his family business! OUR club is now a proper club run properly and diligently and if everyone pulls together WILL eventually achieve things. |
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It's the negativity, pessimism, criticism and all the other "isms" that get on my tits.
) but I don't go on and on as if it's the biggest disaster this side of women getting the vote do I?...................and you want to be careful about those "Italian" gardens, folk will think they're in a foreign country...............and what about Macaris and Pelosi's Ice Cream Emporium - not exactly Mrs Miggins Debn Cream Teas is it!s 
